Sensitive/Male estradiol test vs normal

[sparverius]

On my last blood work by accident I got both the regular (female) estradiol test and what this lab calls the male test.
I thought you all might want to see what the difference is:

Female: 20pg/dl range 0-39.8

Male: 11.2pg/dl range 10-43

Yes, that's a little low. I was getting symptoms such as joint pain and cut back on the AI after the blood test but before I got the results. Going to four shots a week from two seems to have decreased my need for AI. Two was too variable for me- too high then too low before the next shot.

[mockery]

ill get hung for this, but your estrogen should be closer to 80 for male who is a body builder. not the normal range for a normal person. read into legit literature on estrogen and you will see for those who are trying to get big how estrogen plays a role in the development of hormones in the body

[powerlifterty16]

even if 80 were ideal for bodybuilders, an 80 estrogen level is FAR from healthy, and far from allowing one to feel good.
I also dont think e2 needs to be at 80. Yes estrogen supports bone density, but as long as t is optimized, and e is optimized, i think one should be fine.

People bodybuild naturally all the time, and natural estrogen is rarely 80 unless someone is not healthy.

[jomamma007]

yeah then you can get gyno like all the bodybuilders too ,
I only think estrogen should be above the range if test is as well. If you're on cycle with a 3k test level then I believe you should have higher estrogen levels then when you're around 1k and not try to have uber test levels and nigh estrogen like all the bros do.
Plus if you're talking 80 on a regular panel, that could be 35-40 on a sensitive which doesn't sound ludicrous at all

[dreadnok89]

ill get hung for this, but your estrogen should be closer to 80 for male who is a body builder. not the normal range for a normal person. read into legit literature on estrogen and you will see for those who are trying to get big how estrogen plays a role in the development of hormones in the body

Sure if you wanna look like a bloated toad go for it man!

[dreadnok89]

even if 80 were ideal for bodybuilders, an 80 estrogen level is FAR from healthy, and far from allowing one to feel good.
I also dont think e2 needs to be at 80. Yes estrogen supports bone density, but as long as t is optimized, and e is optimized, i think one should be fine.

People bodybuild naturally all the time, and natural estrogen is rarely 80 unless someone is not healthy.

It matters. If your test is sky high a higher estrogen will not hurt you at all. Its all about ratio.

[mockery]

80-100 estrogen is optimized for a lot of males, its when you get tested and its in the 200's is when people have a problem.

if you think have sub 30 estrogen is good for you, think again.

[booku]

80-100 estrogen is optimized for a lot of males, its when you get tested and its in the 200's is when people have a problem.

if you think have sub 30 estrogen is good for you, think again.

Please just stop...first of all this is the Hormone replacement therapy section of the board, secondly, everyone functions differently at different e2 levels, to utter this blanket statement of <30 is bad is asinine at best.

[jomamma007]

LEF recommends estrogen to be between 20-30 for long term male health.
This is on a sensitive panel though.

[xcraider37]

It matters. If your test is sky high a higher estrogen will not hurt you at all. Its all about ratio.

Dread, test this theory out and see how you feel, that's a Dr. Scally theory that just doesn't hold up in the real world of trt. Maybe it does with your natural hormones. Again all of us are different and some may function well at a 30+ estradiol level, I don't I have to be dialed in no matter my t level. Keep in mind we are talking estradiol not total estrogens.

[powerlifterty16]

Please just stop...first of all this is the Hormone replacement therapy section of the board, secondly, everyone functions differently at different e2 levels, to utter this blanket statement of <30 is bad is asinine at best.

less than 20 is bad..do you agree there?

[crazy mike]

I think this whole thread is about theory and opinion, I haven't heard much true experience with backing BW. All this doesn't seem to have facts behind it like tried and true. Any science here. MOP ...crazy mike

[kelkel]

LEF, as stated above, recommends 20-30 on a sensitive scale. But even this is subjective and needs to be based on the individual and where they feel their best. Two people at a 25 level may not feel close to the same. Remember as well that high estrogen, even in the presence of supraphysiological levels of test, greatly increases the risk of heart attack, stroke and a plethora of other insidious internal damage that it can do. No need to mention gyno, right?

[dreadnok89]

LEF, as stated above, recommends 20-30 on a sensitive scale. But even this is subjective and needs to be based on the individual and where they feel their best. Two people at a 25 level may not feel close to the same. Remember as well that high estrogen, even in the presence of supraphysiological levels of test, greatly increases the risk of heart attack, stroke and a plethora of other insidious internal damage that it can do. No need to mention gyno, right?

Toooooo many big words me. So regardless of test to estrogen its bad to run high?

[dreadnok89]

Dread, test this theory out and see how you feel, that's a Dr. Scally theory that just doesn't hold up in the real world of trt. Maybe it does with your natural hormones. Again all of us are different and some may function well at a 30+ estradiol level, I don't I have to be dialed in no matter my t level. Keep in mind we are talking estradiol not total estrogens.

Ya my bad, I meant to add some doctors believe

[powerlifterty16]

Toooooo many big words me. So regardless of test to estrogen its bad to run high?

yes..high e causes health issues regardless of high t...and when you think about it..high t isnt healthy either.
off topic but i know your t is above range and you prob have a lot of dht, do you still have your hair?

[mockery]

clearly sitting closer to 80 as i said is total estrogen, and not e2 alone ...

are all your estrogen levels blood taken? try comparing with oral tests as well.

yes every person is different, but with the train of thought on these forums for a decade of a level of 20 estrogen is idea or the sweet spot for males, yet u can search function 1000's of threads " no libido " and start to ask why is that?

having estrogen levels closer to 80, is still not bad! 200 is high, sitting between 43-80 isn't bad, especially when you have high test, <43 is for the average normal male. there is no magic number,

Ive never met a endo that has patience's with out of control estrogen while on proper TRT.

But apparently in America your dr's are prescribing AI meds to males freely and with no limit.

[powerlifterty16]

most endos don't test their *patients' estrogens

[LowT Mike]

I would have to strongly disagree with everything you are saying. I hope im just missing something. Using lab corp... E2 between 20-30 pg/ml is where you want your estrogen to be period. plus or minus 5% ok! Men who start getting up into the 50s can even have symptoms of gynocomastia. Ive looked at trillions of labs and treated 1000s of patients. The end game with TRT is to optimize testosterone and balance estradiol. Most docs dont test for E2 most of these docs are endocrinologists. Estrogen higher than 40 you run the risk of issues with libedo, bloat, main culprit to the prostate along with DHT creating Benign Prostate Hypertrophy. ITS NOT THE TESTOSTERONE THAT CAUSES THE PROSTATE ISSUE AT ALL...ITS THE E2. Very important everyone understands this! Get your E2 in check. Optimal 20-30 pg/ml.

[mockery]

maybe, Australian tests results are a different conversion then north America. as our rate is <160

[jomamma007]

Low t mike that is in a sensitive test.. So what happens if your low like 17 on a sensitive test.. How do you bring it up???

-up your test dosage
-lower ai dosage
-add in dhea
-drop zinc/dim
-stop having such an amazing liver
-take hcg
-go with once a week injections

All I can ponder off the top of me noggin.

[LowT Mike]

maybe, Australian tests results are a different conversion then north America. as our rate is <160

This could be. good point. Didnt know you were in Australia. I know the difference is labs can vary extremely due to methodology. Just look at the difference between Quest and LabCorp. They couldnt be on more opposite sides of the spectrum even using the same unit of measurement. One of these guys just needs to swallow there pride (QUEST) and get on the same.

[dreadnok89]

I've lost my hair in my 20's power lifter ty

[mockery]

Fact remains alot of people on these boards who use gear for fun or for trt seem to have a lot of issues stemming from low estrogen. I find using oral tests with blood work a better indication of whats happening. estrogen and prolactin seem to have to many factors involved when getting tested to be very accurate, to many things can off set it when you go to get bloods.

[Rusty11]

I do agree that sometimes guys get a little too worked up over an e2 level slightly over the "optimal" level. Then they jump right on an ai and wonder how/why they've crashed. I'm happy with my level of 35.

[sparverius]

I'm not a body builder or running superaphysiological levels. TRT only.

I have noticed better athletic performance both in weight lifting and in endurance sports when my E2 is not so low. However I have to be careful- I am unusually sensitive to E levels. Even in the "normal" range I get depressed if my E2 is too high. I'd be slitting my wrists at 40.

One of the advantages of gel was that my E2 stayed in the right range with no AI.

[booku]

I have only had E2 sensitive checked once, about 3 months into TRT. Came back at 21 pg/mL (guys when you talk any lab numbers please put units so we can interpret them correctly).

So I honestly cannot say how I feel at different E2 levels, would be interesting to titrate the testosterone dose up 20 mg and get blood work after 6 weeks. So say you are at 100 mg/week, you go 120, blood work, 140, blood work, 160, blood work, etc, until you reach that threshold/limit where E2 and hematocrit/RBC become an issue.

[jomamma007]

I'm not a body builder or running superaphysiological levels. TRT only.

I have noticed better athletic performance both in weight lifting and in endurance sports when my E2 is not so low. However I have to be careful- I am unusually sensitive to E levels. Even in the "normal" range I get depressed if my E2 is too high. I'd be slitting my wrists at 40.

One of the advantages of gel was that my E2 stayed in the right range with no AI.

is that a sensitive panel you're talking about?