26 y/o male TRT Candidate - Clomid Failed - About to start Injections but...scared

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Hello all. I've already visited a few other hormone/steroid forums on the internet and this one I just came across also seems top-tier so I figured I'd toss out my post in the hopes I could get some info, and that it might someday serve as evidence to someone else in a similar situation. I posted my whole "story" in multiple places. *************, and another forum, and /r/steroids .

What I didn't post however, was the ranges.

First Total T test = 171ng/dL taken at 11:30 am.

I'd like to re-post my SECOND bloodwork here with ranges. Taken at 8am.

ACTH = 46 pg/mL (Reference range 6-50

Random Cortisol = 29.4 ug/dL (A.M range 4.3-22.4 ug/dL)

Testosterone = 343 ng/dL (280-800 ng/dL)

Estradiol = 6 pg/mL (7-43)

LH = 2.7 mIU/mL (0.7-5.6

FSH = 3.3 mIU/mL (1.4-18.1)

Prolacting = 9.5 ng/mL (2.1-17.7)

TSH = 4.07 ng/mL (0.25-5.5)

FT4 = 1.65 (0.89-1.76)

Somatomedin C = 242 ng/mL (I don't know what this is, I guess it relates to growth hormone , but endo said that was fine)

Ferritin = 109 ng/mL (22-322)

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So basically I have a lot more to say but this spam bot is saying I can't post it because I have drug or sex words in it but I've editted everything I can think of so...I can't include my "story" only my blood work I guess. Thanks

[powerlifterty16]

why did clomid fail? lh looks really low.

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Looking back on the results, it makes sense now that my endo said my pituitary was not sending out enough LH and FSH. Clomid DID work, in the sense that it made my balls huge (so they were getting the LH/FSH signal) but I gave up on it a little too early. I swear I had a hot flash the first time I took it, and I felt REALLY depressed and emotional on it. I honestly had NO sex desire at all, and found it nearly impossible to get 100% erection even when masturbating, which was never really a problem. I was immediatley freaked out that the drug, though probably working, and raising my T, was also raising my E2 and f'ing with my estrogen receptors. There are numerous cases where Clomid raises T, but without any of the "benefits" normally associated with high T. For some, Clomid seems to make them horny and feel great, for others, nothing different in terms of feelings but T levels rise on blood tests, and others, it makes them moody and emotional as all hell. Also, once clomid stops, T levels start to fall back down again, so if its either T injections or Clomid for life, might as well be T injections I suppose.

I guess I fell into the last category. Though, I felt like I didn't give it enough of a chance. Really pissed I can't post the rest of my story with all the background n things.

[powerlifterty16]

my advice is to try hcg monotherapy. it does something similar to clomid but less sides. For me though, i didnt get any sides on clomid, and i dont get sides on hcg.
fyi, i felt no different on clomid, and dont feel different on hcg, and i seem to have gotten a cold today so my immune system is still weak..really pisses me off since m on hcg i would expect a highe rimmune

[dreadnok89]

Looking back on the results, it makes sense now that my endo said my pituitary was not sending out enough LH and FSH. Clomid DID work, in the sense that it made my balls huge (so they were getting the LH/FSH signal) but I gave up on it a little too early. I swear I had a hot flash the first time I took it, and I felt REALLY depressed and emotional on it. I honestly had NO sex desire at all, and found it nearly impossible to get 100% erection even when masturbating, which was never really a problem. I was immediatley freaked out that the drug, though probably working, and raising my T, was also raising my E2 and f'ing with my estrogen receptors. There are numerous cases where Clomid raises T, but without any of the "benefits" normally associated with high T. For some, Clomid seems to make them horny and feel great, for others, nothing different in terms of feelings but T levels rise on blood tests, and others, it makes them moody and emotional as all hell. Also, once clomid stops, T levels start to fall back down again, so if its either T injections or Clomid for life, might as well be T injections I suppose.

I guess I fell into the last category. Though, I felt like I didn't give it enough of a chance. Really pissed I can't post the rest of my story with all the background n things.

Chlomid raises estrogen. If you take chlomid without monitoring estrogen you will all those symptoms

[j2048b]

yeah clomid raises estro, but so does hcg ... and over use of hcg can cause some e2 from the nuts that might not be controllable, or at least more difficult to control....

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12 months on T changed my life for the better, but then I had a mental breakdown because I had already ruined my life up to that point, lost my job and insurance. I'm going back to a specialist endocrinologist who is known as a diagnostician in two months and want to find the root cause of my low T. I look 18 at almost 30. T level of 171 ng/dl. no facial hair or body hair besides weak under-arm and pubes.

I've had excessive sweating and hyperhydrosis since i was a kid, hands feet and lower back POURING sweat 24/7. I have a feeling this must be indicative of something going on that isn't just bad diet. I used to be a star athlete until 16/17 when I was supposed to be going through puberty and it never finished or really even came, and life was downhill after that.

[hammerheart]

12 months on T changed my life for the better, but then I had a mental breakdown because I had already ruined my life up to that point, lost my job and insurance. I'm going back to a specialist endocrinologist who is known as a diagnostician in two months and want to find the root cause of my low T. I look 18 at almost 30. T level of 171 ng/dl. no facial hair or body hair besides weak under-arm and pubes.

Your not alone... didn't TRT help with body hair? I always had poor facial hair but with low t it got worse. Below the neck, however, I always looked like a fu**ing gorilla.

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I grew my first chest hair on T once I was on 150mg/week Test C. Started to get hair moving up above navel, increased hair growth on arms, legs, under-arm. The best part was actually starting to get a "beard" for the first time, though it wasn't enough to actually grow one out. I went from looking pre-pubescent to at least having hair within a few months.

It's not just physical problems that come with low T, the mental problems start to pile on. Anxiety and depression. I've had a girl I liked say, "I kind of like you but, why don't you grow any facial hair?" It's so fucking emasculating.

Then you get paranoid about how people, especially women, perceive you. Whatever caused my hyperhydrosis really sucks, because it all started with being horrified to hold a girls hand because I'd pour sweat out of it. Then during high-school all my friends started growing beards and body hair, were risk takers, chasing girls. Meanwhile I was sleeping 12 hours a day and never had energy to do jack shit. I ran track and was healthy, but ended up dropping out of highschool because if you don't desire sex, and have no energy as a 17 year old dude, what the fuck is the point of life?

I'm hoping to go back on, or try gels, or clomid, or something. 150mg/wk Test C put me at 650 ng/dL on day 7 which was great, but I did start to get some heart palpitations and my hematocrit was at the top of the range, but not over it.

I just felt like a man on T. I wanted to fuck. My sweat smelled like BO for the first time (never knew bacteria broke down hormone molecules to make that smell). Felt better about myself, thoughts of depression and suicide gone, and I felt rested after sleep.

I guess at the time I was freaking out about sticking a needle in my ass forever. Anyone have experience with travelling over-seas long-term while on injections?

[hammerheart]

Interesting story, thanks for sharing.

So you aren't on anything right now?

I'm not a fan of gels.. you might want to consider low dose bi-weekly injections, but if you don't fancy needles and need to travel, a longer acting formulation like nebido could be what your looking for. It takes a while to "kick in" but a single pin every ten weeks is enough. It's great if it works for you. For me it didn't, but for most guys does. Hematocrit usually stays in range while on it.