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    raym is offline New Member
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    6 month numbers are in, and I am not too happy

    My current protocol is 50mg Test Cyp, 250IU of HCG
    every 3.5 days. At 6 weeks I was doing pretty well and feeling really
    good.

    Serum Testosterone : 750, lab range 348 - 1197
    Free Testosterone: 20.9, lab range 6.8 - 21.5
    Estradiol: 47.9, lab range 7.6 - 42.6


    Estradiol was high, so we added in 1/2 mg of adex twice a week.
    At 6 months I am at:

    Serum Testosterone: 468 Range 348-1197
    Free Testosterone: 14.4 Range 6.8-21.5
    Estradiol: 10.9 Range 7.6-42.6

    Another thing of note:
    Hematocrit: 51.2 Range 37.5-51.0

    So, I've obviously been taking too much adex, so I'll back off on that
    and try to get my e2 up a bit. But what is really worrying me is
    that my total test has dropped almost 300 points and my free test has
    dropped quite a bit as well. Yeah, I'm in range, but definitely not feeling
    as good as I was a couple of months ago.

    My Doctor is not being the most responsive lately, so I really need to
    be proactive and figure out what changes to make before speaking to
    her.

    Any thoughts appreciated.

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    bullshark99 is offline Senior Member
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    Free is more important that total and ur free is still fairly upper end. Think u nailed it if u cut back on the adex it may make a big dif.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bullshark99 View Post
    Free is more important that total and ur free is still fairly upper end. Think u nailed it if u cut back on the adex it may make a big dif.
    I think you're looking at the wrong free numbers. I think you need more test. BTW are you im or sub q?

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    raym is offline New Member
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    Thanks for the replies. I thought Free and Total were both important. I'm not
    obsessing over numbers, but I definitely have been feeling off. I'm sure some
    of that is due to taking by e2 too low - and I'll probably stop the adex altogether
    until my morning wood is back, then slowly add it back in at a lower dosage.

    What is troubling me is why did my #'s drop so much?

    I would like to add more test, but my hemo is already just over the top of the
    range.

    Oh - and I am IM.

    Ray

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    Look you shouldn`t have added an ai in whatsoever.
    First that's the wrong estradiol test. The sensitive panel will probably come back 15-30 points lower putting you in the sweet spot. You said you felt good, you shouldnt adjust based on numbers unless symtpoms present thenselves.

    Imo your original protocol was perfect, id stick with it and retest with an estradiol sensitive panel in a month. If you had to change anything id lower the dose to 80mgs per week but i dont even think thats necessary. Also sometimes levels vary a bit, its happened to me on 2x week profil before as well. Dont sweat it .

    You dont seem to need the ai, dont even add it back in...
    Also, go donate some blood.

    Cliffs
    Stick with original protocol for a month
    Re-test bloodwork with an estradiol sensitive panel before upping dosage
    Donate blood asap

    Also the ideal range for estradiol sensitive is 20-30
    I had the same test ran as you plus the sensitive panel same day
    Estradiol 45H(7.6-42.6)
    Estradiol sensitive 19(3-70)
    As you can see the standard panel seems to overestimate as its intended for females.

    If anything you could try
    50Mg zinc
    2-300DIM
    2-3Mg copper a day for estrogen control but i doubt you need it
    Last edited by jomamma007; 11-24-2013 at 01:48 PM.

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    Thanks - I had been doing the sensitive assay every month since I started the protocol,
    and it was the sensitive test that led us to put me on the AI. I'll definitely be
    donating blood. Interestingly enough, before starting TRT my hematocrit was hovering
    around 49.

    Ray

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    Brett N is offline Senior Member
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    Test will raise hematocrit.

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    jomamma007 is offline Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by raym View Post
    Thanks - I had been doing the sensitive assay every month since I started the protocol,
    and it was the sensitive test that led us to put me on the AI. I'll definitely be
    donating blood. Interestingly enough, before starting TRT my hematocrit was hovering
    around 49.

    Ray
    What was your level on the sensitive panel?
    Estradiol: 47.9, lab range 7.6 - 42.6- That is the standard panel...

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    raym is offline New Member
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    July of this year I did the labcorp estradiol sensitive (range 3-70) and it came back as 54.

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    I dont like ad ex for that reason. Its too strong

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    Quote Originally Posted by raym View Post
    July of this year I did the labcorp estradiol sensitive (range 3-70) and it came back as 54.
    well you seem to have the right plan now. Back off ai for a week or two till you feel better then start again at .25mg twice per week after injection. No surprise that .5mg twice a week crashed you.
    That's why its ludicrous how people can think there's some sort of standard. 1mg of arimidex per 100mgs of test is silly. There is no one size fits all. Some don't need an ai, some need 2mgs. You have to experiment to find that sweet spot, but it looks like you're on your way. Good luck and keep us posted.

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