No pumps in.gym, red face

[jomamma007]

Protocol
50mgs cyp 2x week, no hcg, no ai,
50mgs dhea and preg daily

I think because of my adrenal fatigue, and seeming to be dehydrated all the time the last few months I haven't been able to get a pump in the gym since August.
I've decided to take this month off caffeine and lifting to see if this helps but I'm kind of at a loss. I don't want to wait a year for Adrenal fatigue to heal to be able to get a good workout.

Symptoms
dry mouth, tongue
light headed, if standing up too fast
dehydration
fatigue
Red arms, face, upper chest
joint pain
throat pain
vision problems

I've ruled out thyroid, and sleep apnea these last two weeks as well, and pituitary tumors in the past.

Those are the symptoms I'm experiencing right now. I'm sure my estrogens in range as it always is but I'm getting a ton of blood work back in a few days that should let me know what's going on. Just wondering what to do in the meantime I guess to speed up the process. Will post results soon in this thread in hopes to get advice.

[bass]

how about your E2, have you checked it lately? also have you donated blood since you started on TRT?

[jomamma007]

I havent donated by my blood count is normal.
Im also getting some joint issues
I just had estrogen tested and wont know the result till next week but last time it was 19 on a sensitive panel no ai.

[bass]

what is your TRT protocol?

[jomamma007]

50mgs cyp 2x week, no ai, no hcg

[bass]

sounds like you got high e2 problem. try getting your doc to do a test, if not do it yourself. you need the sensitive assay E2 test.

[Rusty11]

You stated in another thread that you train 3 hrs/day and under-eat. You've been doing this for years. I don't know how many days a week you do this. But, as I'm sure you know, excessive exercise can contribute to adrenal fatigue. Stop putting your body through this hell. It's a smart place to start

[jomamma007]

Aye,
Day 3 no caffeine and im taking this month off working out.

Just wondering i guess how long it takes to recover from something like this. Thyroids healtht, no sleep apnea, good test and estrogen levels.... new blood work coming back soon which should give a better understanding,

My energy the first two days caffeine free was better then normal surprisingly. Headaches today but its all good. Its the dehydration crap thats keeping me from getting pumps and giving me dry mouth thats bugging me.

[Rusty11]

Yea...no caffiene. That's impossible for me. I guess you are already doing the obvious things that might be contributing to this. A couple of weeks ago I read something that stated 6-12 months for minor adrenal fatigue. But, I have no idea if this timeframe would apply to you.

[jomamma007]

yeah over summer I would do 3 hours of boxing in the am, then go back to the gym around 1-2pm and get a mean pump. Did that 6 times a week. 3 months later , now I can't even get a pump simply going to the gym on its own.

I drink 1/2 gallon of water for breakfast and an hour later by the time I'm in class or the gym my piss is dark yellow and I start feeling dehydrated. I know anxiety can cause all of this symptoms too but I don't really feel anxious lately to be honest. I've had high E and low E and low T and I'm pretty well acquainted with anxiety and emotionally/mentally speaking I feel amazing.

[gatornate97]

I have similar symptoms regarding red upper chest, face etc...as well as vision, twitches and seeing "stars" sometimes.

My BW came back rather good. E2 19 in sensitive panel. Test-732

What is adrenal fatigue?

[dreadnok89]

Blood pressure?

[vmons01]

I get dehydrated and headaches from low E2 as well as fatigue, dry mouth, red upper chest and joint pain ... most of the symptoms you mentioned in your original post. Your level of 19 on Labcorps (?) sensitive test is too low for me. I'm symptom free and firing on all cylinders in the upper 20s, low 30's.

[xcraider37]

Protocol
50mgs cyp 2x week, no hcg, no ai,
50mgs dhea and preg daily

I think because of my adrenal fatigue, and seeming to be dehydrated all the time the last few months I haven't been able to get a pump in the gym since August.
I've decided to take this month off caffeine and lifting to see if this helps but I'm kind of at a loss. I don't want to wait a year for Adrenal fatigue to heal to be able to get a good workout.

Symptoms
dry mouth, tongue
light headed, if standing up too fast
dehydration
fatigue
Red arms, face, upper chest
joint pain
throat pain
vision problems

I've ruled out thyroid, and sleep apnea these last two weeks as well, and pituitary tumors in the past.

Those are the symptoms I'm experiencing right now. I'm sure my estrogens in range as it always is but I'm getting a ton of blood work back in a few days that should let me know what's going on. Just wondering what to do in the meantime I guess to speed up the process. Will post results soon in this thread in hopes to get advice.

Jomamma, not sure if this is true or not but some homeopathic experts(so called) say using a high quality sea salt can cure adrenals. Might be worth a try.

[jomamma007]

I get dehydrated and headaches from low E2 as well as fatigue, dry mouth, red upper chest and joint pain ... most of the symptoms you mentioned in your original post. Your level of 19 on Labcorps (?) sensitive test is too low for me. I'm symptom free and firing on all cylinders in the upper 20s, low 30's.

interesting, I've heard quite a few guys saying at 19 they wouldn't feel good. Don't want to speculate before I get my bloods back though.

[jomamma007]

Jomamma, not sure if this is true or not but some homeopathic experts(so called) say using a high quality sea salt can cure adrenals. Might be worth a try.

Thanks, I'm already taking about 2 tsp of sea salt a day haha, an extra 3200 sodium -__-

[jomamma007]

Blood pressure?

yesterday it was 136/82,,, creeping up a little bit. Usually around 120 or lower, since I take cialis...

[jomamma007]

Results are in guys, help a brotha out. Still waiting on RT3 and ACTH

CBC With Differential/Platelet
WBC 4.8 3.4-10.8 x10E3/uL SO
RBC 5.12 4.14-5.80 x10E6/uL SO
Hemoglobin 15.7 12.6-17.7 g/dL SO
Hematocrit 46.6 37.5-51.0 % SO
MCV 91 79-97 fL SO
MCH 30.7 26.6-33.0 pg SO
MCHC 33.7 31.5-35.7 g/dL SO
RDW 13.0 12.3-15.4 % SO
Platelets 259 155-379 x10E3/uL SO
Neutrophils 58 40-74 % SO
Lymphs 34 14-46 % SO
Monocytes 6 4-12 % SO
Eos 2 0-5 % SO
Basos 0 0-3 % SO
Neutrophils (Absolute) 2.8 1.4-7.0 x10E3/uL SO
Lymphs (Absolute) 1.7 0.7-3.1 x10E3/uL SO
Monocytes(Absolute) 0.3 0.1-0.9 x10E3/uL SO
Eos (Absolute) 0.1 0.0-0.4 x10E3/uL SO
Baso (Absolute) 0.0 0.0-0.2 x10E3/uL SO
Immature Granulocytes 0 0-2 % SO
Immature Grans (Abs) 0.0 0.0-0.1 x10E3/uL SO

Comp. Metabolic Panel (14)
Glucose, Serum 80 65-99 mg/dL SO
BUN 13 6-20 mg/dL SO
Creatinine, Serum 0.95 0.76-1.27 mg/dL SO
eGFR If NonAfricn Am 113 >59 mL/min/1.73 SO
eGFR If Africn Am 131 >59 mL/min/1.73 SO
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 14 8-19 SO
Sodium, Serum 138 134-144 mmol/L SO
Potassium, Serum 4.2 3.5-5.2 mmol/L SO
Chloride, Serum 99 97-108 mmol/L SO
Carbon Dioxide, Total 24 19-28 mmol/L SO
Calcium, Serum 9.7 8.7-10.2 mg/dL SO
Protein, Total, Serum 6.6 6.0-8.5 g/dL SO
Albumin, Serum 4.4 3.5-5.5 g/dL SO
Globulin, Total 2.2 1.5-4.5 g/dL SO
A/G Ratio 2.0 1.1-2.5 SO
Bilirubin, Total 0.8 0.0-1.2 mg/dL SO
Alkaline Phosphatase, S 57 39-117 IU/L SO
AST (SGOT) 21 0-40 IU/L SO
ALT (SGPT) 23 0-44 IU/L SO

Urinalysis, Routine
Specific Gravity 1.007 1.005-1.030 SO
pH 6.5 5.0-7.5 SO
Urine-Color Yellow Yellow SO
Appearance Clear Clear SO
WBC Esterase Negative Negative SO
Protein Negative Negative/Trace SO
Glucose Negative Negative SO
Ketones Negative Negative SO
1 of 3
Occult Blood Negative Negative SO
Bilirubin Negative Negative SO
Urobilinogen,Semi-Qn 0.2 0.0-1.9 mg/dL SO
Nitrite, Urine Negative Negative SO
Microscopic Examination Comment SO
Microscopic follows if indicated.

Lipid Panel
Cholesterol, Total 119 100-189 mg/dL SO
Triglycerides 63 0-114 mg/dL SO
HDL Cholesterol 41 >39 mg/dL SO
According to ATP-III Guidelines, HDL-C >59 mg/dL is considered a
negative risk factor for CHD.
VLDL Cholesterol Cal 13 5-40 mg/dL SO
LDL Cholesterol Calc 65 0-119 mg/dL SO

Iron and TIBC
Iron Bind.Cap.(TIBC) 341 250-450 ug/dL SO
UIBC 109 LOW 150-375 ug/dL SO
Iron, Serum 232 HIGH 40-155 ug/dL SO
Iron Saturation 68 HIGH 15-55 % SO

Vitamin B12 and Folate
Vitamin B12 936 211-946 pg/mL SO
Folate (Folic Acid), Serum 18.5 >3.0 ng/mL SO
A serum folate concentration of less than 3.1 ng/mL is
considered to represent clinical deficiency.

Testosterone,Free and Total
Testosterone, Serum 772 348-1197 ng/dL SO
Free Testosterone(Direct) 15.6 9.3-26.5 pg/mL BN

Hemoglobin A1c
Hemoglobin A1c 5.0 4.8-5.6 % SO
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Increased risk for diabetes: 5.7 - 6.4
Diabetes: >6.4
Glycemic control for adults with diabetes: <7.0

TSH
TSH 2.400 0.450-4.500 uIU/mL SO
Thyroxine (T4) Free, Direct, S
T4,Free(Direct) 1.44 0.82-1.77 ng/dL SO
Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum
Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum 3.5 2.0-4.4 pg/mL SO

DHEA-Sulfate
DHEA-Sulfate 405.4 164.3-530.5 ug/dL SO

Luteinizing Hormone(LH), S
LH <0.2 LOW 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL SO

FSH, Serum
FSH <0.2 LOW 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL SO

Prolactin
Prolactin 11.4 4.0-15.2 ng/mL SO

Prostate-Specific Ag, Serum
Prostate Specific Ag, Serum 0.3 0.0-4.0 ng/mL SO

C-Reactive Protein, Cardiac
C-Reactive Protein, Cardiac 0.71 0.00-3.00 mg/L SO
Relative Risk for Future Cardiovascular Event
Low <1.00
Average 1.00 - 3.00
High >3.00

Estradiol, Sensitive
Estradiol, Sensitive 19 3-70 pg/mL BN

GGT
GGT 11 0-65 IU/L SO

Magnesium, Serum
Magnesium, Serum 1.8 1.6-2.6 mg/dL SO

Insulin
Insulin 4.0 2.6-24.9 uIU/mL SO

Ferritin, Serum
Ferritin, Serum 64 30-400 ng/mL SO


Sex Horm Binding Glob, Serum
Sex Horm Binding Glob, Serum 34.5 16.5-55.9 nmol/L SO

Cortisol - AM
Cortisol - AM 18.1 6.2-19.4 ug/dL SO

[Bonaparte]

Most of your symptoms are common of Cialis.
Go without it for a few days and see what happens.

[bass]

besides your iron your BW looks solid. i'd do what Bonaparte suggested and see if that's what's causing your symptoms. I do the same, every time I get that sluggish feeling I cut back on supplements, Cialis, etc...

[jomamma007]

Most of your symptoms are common of Cialis.
Go without it for a few days and see what happens.

Okay I will try it. What about iron being off???
I'm thinking maybe a 19 estradiol sensitive might be too low for me and cialis could be effecting me as well. I mean if I list my symtpoms

dry mouth, tongue-low estro
light headed, if standing up too fast-cialis
dehydration-both
fatigue-low estro
Red arms, face, upper chest-both
joint pain-low estro
throat pain-both
vision problems-cialis

Mentally I feel great, physically somethings off though...

[jomamma007]

Little update

Flag Reference Range Lab
ACTH, Plasma
ACTH, Plasma 39.9 7.2-63.3 pg/mL SO

Reverse T3, Serum
Reverse T3, Serum 18.5 9.2-24.1 ng/dL

Should i be worried about Iron?
I suppose ill up my test dosage to get that estrogen and free test up as well.

No meds.

RT3 Ratio: 18.9

[vmons01]

You sound a lot like me in that 19 is just too low for me (tired after meals, dry mouth, headaches, red upper chest and libido/ED issues). I feel best in upper 20's, lower 30's (sensitive), and I cannot take Cialis, at least the Liquid Cia version of it. It makes me feel like shiaaaaat.

My usual weekly dosage is 145 mg/week test cyp. My E2 was at 21 and I was still getting issues. As an experiment I upped my dosage to 200mg for one shot only to bring my E2 up. The following 3 weeks I dropped my Test Cyp dosage down to 120mg. During the entire 3 weeks I felt incredible! No low E2 issues at all!

I get tested a lot (like once a month) on my own so I'm going to experiment quite a bit. At 145mg/week my Test level hovers in the low 800's. I'm convinced that that level is too high, and that I would feel better in the 600 to low 700's which is why I'm trying the lower test dosage of 120mg/week for now. So far I feel great! At my highest I was at 830 Test and 24 E2 and I still was having ED issues. I personally think bringing Test down to 600 to low 700s and/or bring E2 up to upper 20's is MY sweet spot.

Note that I do not take an Ai (don't need it) and I can 2x250Hcg/week.

[jomamma007]

Wait so if you felt cruddy with low estrogen levels, how could lowering your dose help?