Finding a new doc

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hey HRT forum people. havent been in here in awhile. well im in the process of trying to find a new doctor who is actually not so overwhelmed with patients he can actually take the time to properly manage my TRT as opposed to simply writing scripts and ordering labs, to never be heard from after.

the doc im considering now im having to wait until monday to see if hes gonna let me do my own shots. apparently all his other patients have to come in like little children to get their shots and the doc keep their test, as the nurse put it, "under lock and key"... LOL

needless to say im not doing that! anyone else have a doc that s=wants to baby his patients as well as start out the relationship suggesting he does not trust them? (of course this is all assunmptions at this point. maybe he will have a good reason once i speak to him?)

[Lunk1]

hey HRT forum people. havent been in here in awhile. well im in the process of trying to find a new doctor who is actually not so overwhelmed with patients he can actually take the time to properly manage my TRT as opposed to simply writing scripts and ordering labs, to never be heard from after.

the doc im considering now im having to wait until monday to see if hes gonna let me do my own shots. apparently all his other patients have to come in like little children to get their shots and the doc keep their test, as the nurse put it, "under lock and key"... LOL

needless to say im not doing that! anyone else have a doc that s=wants to baby his patients as well as start out the relationship suggesting he does not trust them? (of course this is all assunmptions at this point. maybe he will have a good reason once i speak to him?)

2 guys I work with have to do office visits to get injections. Thank god my doc is a close friend and relatively familiar with my ability inject lol. She was a bit reluctant to rx a 10ML vial vs 1ML vials.

[kelkel]

hey HRT forum people. havent been in here in awhile. well im in the process of trying to find a new doctor who is actually not so overwhelmed with patients he can actually take the time to properly manage my TRT as opposed to simply writing scripts and ordering labs, to never be heard from after.

the doc im considering now im having to wait until monday to see if hes gonna let me do my own shots. apparently all his other patients have to come in like little children to get their shots and the doc keep their test, as the nurse put it, "under lock and key"... LOL

needless to say im not doing that! anyone else have a doc that s=wants to baby his patients as well as start out the relationship suggesting he does not trust them? (of course this is all assunmptions at this point. maybe he will have a good reason once i speak to him?)

I would call and simply ask your question. If he steadfastly refuses self-injections then don't waste time, both yours and theirs, with an appointment. He's not going to trust you, you look like you lift weights!

[Megalodon6]

A coworker of mine goes in for his injections but his doc is willing to write him a script lol I don't understand it..

[--->>405<<---]

I would call and simply ask your question. If he steadfastly refuses self-injections then don't waste time, both yours and theirs, with an appointment. He's not going to trust you, you look like you lift weights!

exactly how im treating the situation. i asked his secretary to confer with him and find out if he is unwilling to consider allowing me to inject myself as that is a deal breaker for me. if hes willing to consider it, ill go in and chat with the fellow.

[Mr Bill]

I wouldn't have the time to go in every week to wait for a shot. That would suck. Nice bike in the avatar!

[MyteeJ]

There are many guys in the office that I go to who have their shots administered for them - don't get that at all!

When I found my doc I was a month into my protocol and I spoke with the office manager before I started with this guy. I explained that I was already administering at home and she told me straight away they were fine with that.

I do find that getting an appt or even a call back for refills is a pain and I'm guessing it's all the "high maintenance" patience consuming the time of the office staff. One other difference that I don't really like is that I can only get refills for everything one med at a time. The program I started off with sent me a 6 month supply of everything which was way more convenient.

Great bike in the avatar. Good luck on finding your next doc.

J

[--->>405<<---]

I wouldn't have the time to go in every week to wait for a shot. That would suck. Nice bike in the avatar!

i dont have time and if i did i would not do it anyways. right back atcha!

[--->>405<<---]

There are many guys in the office that I go to who have their shots administered for them - don't get that at all!

When I found my doc I was a month into my protocol and I spoke with the office manager before I started with this guy. I explained that I was already administering at home and she told me straight away they were fine with that.

I do find that getting an appt or even a call back for refills is a pain and I'm guessing it's all the "high maintenance" patience consuming the time of the office staff. One other difference that I don't really like is that I can only get refills for everything one med at a time. The program I started off with sent me a 6 month supply of everything which was way more convenient.

Great bike in the avatar. Good luck on finding your next doc.

J

thx man, yeh ive been on TRT for a touch over 2 years. no way in hell im going to the doctor to get a shot!

[--->>405<<---]

well the doc is willing to discuss me doing my own shots. have appt. next monday. will report back.

[Low Testosterone]

The number one reason so many doctors are against allowing their TRT patient to self-inject is because so many abuse this privilege. Here is what happens every single day:

Guy decides to up his dose without telling his doctor. Number one reasons, he was told on some message board (not necessarily this one but yes this one too) that he probably needs more. So he increases it and runs out early. He'll tell his doctor what he did and he'll even tell the doctor that it was recommended to him by said message board. If you want to make yourself look like an absolute fool, say that to your doctor.

Or the guy will up his dose because he likes the effects and then he'll play dumb and make excuses about waste and lost testosterone in the injection process or how the pharmacy is stiffing him even though all bottles of testosterone at any legitimate pharmacy are filled by a calibrated machine that's regularly tested and they are ALWAYS well overfilled to account for waste.

Then the guy becomes upset with his doctor and decides he'll find another one. And after a few months (how many months varies) the whole process starts again and then he has to find a new doctor. Before too long, he's posting on message boards how he can't find a good doctor even though it's all his own fault.

If you want to know why finding good TRT doctors that allow self-injcting is so hard, look no further than in the mirror. All of our physicians do allow self-injecting but this issue as described above is so common it's a bit frustrating.

BTW, 405 I'm not saying the above describes you at all. I have no reason to believe that or any way of knowing it. I'm simply explaining why it is this way so often. Doctors have no problem allowing diabetics to self-inject, why? They don't abuse their meds.

One thing people often fail to realize, TRT doctors often deal with a lot of people and there is a group of people that tend to drive them up the wall and make their life extremely difficult. This is the one and only reason as laid out why it can be so hard to find a doctor that allows this.

[kelkel]

I can't imagine LT. I bet it absolutely drives you nuts.

[Low Testosterone]

I can't imagine LT. I bet it absolutely drives you nuts.

It can be difficult but it's expected.

And I forgot one big reason a lot of doctors don't allow self injecting. Every time you come to the office for an injection, they bill your insurance for an office visit or at least they can. We're talking about a 5min visit and the insurance company is billed anywhere from $100-$300 just so you could come in and get an injection. That's $400-$1200 per month if one injection per week. The above and previously discussed is the primary reason, in my opinion, but this is a big factor too for doctors that like to squeeze the insurance company. And this is another, one of many reasons TRT will not be covered by anyone's insurance plan in the near future.

[bass]

hey HRT forum people. havent been in here in awhile. well im in the process of trying to find a new doctor who is actually not so overwhelmed with patients he can actually take the time to properly manage my TRT as opposed to simply writing scripts and ordering labs, to never be heard from after.

the doc im considering now im having to wait until monday to see if hes gonna let me do my own shots. apparently all his other patients have to come in like little children to get their shots and the doc keep their test, as the nurse put it, "under lock and key"... LOL

needless to say im not doing that! anyone else have a doc that s=wants to baby his patients as well as start out the relationship suggesting he does not trust them? (of course this is all assunmptions at this point. maybe he will have a good reason once i speak to him?)

do you live in southern Cali?

[kelkel]

It can be difficult but it's expected.

And I forgot one big reason a lot of doctors don't allow self injecting. Every time you come to the office for an injection, they bill your insurance for an office visit or at least they can. We're talking about a 5min visit and the insurance company is billed anywhere from $100-$300 just so you could come in and get an injection. That's $400-$1200 per month if one injection per week. The above and previously discussed is the primary reason, in my opinion, but this is a big factor too for doctors that like to squeeze the insurance company. And this is another, one of many reasons TRT will not be covered by anyone's insurance plan in the near future.

Expand on this please. Are you saying because it's becoming so mainstream? Or because some doc's are "working the system," or both?

[bass]

Expand on this please. Are you saying because it's becoming so mainstream? Or because some doc's are "working the system," or both?

I am assuming due to Obama care!

[no0ne23]

I'm currently being seen at a men's health clinic and they do the same -- hold my medications hostage to get me to come in as often as possible. If I come in weekly, they charge my insurance almost $300 per visit plus charge me a copay. Altogether, 4 visits a month equals well over $1200 in their pocket. Compare that to someone who doesn't use insurance, it only costs them $250 per month for everything... labs, office visits, and medications. They'll give me take-home kits for up to 3 more weeks, but up my copay since they can't claim insurance (not sure why, the medications are covered). Needless to say, I'm looking to move to an Rx doctor who will monitor labs & protocol, but not try to line his pockets on my TRT alone.

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do you live in southern Cali?

no georgia/south carolina

[--->>405<<---]

And this is another, one of many reasons TRT will not be covered by anyone's insurance plan in the near future.

Expand on this please. Are you saying because it's becoming so mainstream? Or because some doc's are "working the system," or both?

yes do expand on this. how can they not cover it? i dont get that. seems a legitimate medical expense, esp considering HPTA shutdown.

[Beethoven]

The problem with the Obama Care is that they need a lot of healthy little use of Doctors to fund everyone else. They aren't signing up in droves as they thought. The problem now is rates are going up, coverages going down and deductibles and out of pocket is also going up. They are not wanting to cover non essential treatments such as trt. Bottom line is to be able to give out all the subsidies, someone has to pay.

[no0ne23]

no georgia/south carolina

How far are you from Atlanta? I'm on the north side and would be glad to share what I've found in the area so far.

[--->>405<<---]

How far are you from Atlanta? I'm on the north side and would be glad to share what I've found in the area so far.

thx man but im down by savannah. im hoping this doc i have appt with monday is gonna work out. appreciate it!

[Low Testosterone]

Expand on this please. Are you saying because it's becoming so mainstream? Or because some doc's are "working the system," or both?

A combination of a few things.

1. Obama Care will affect TRT greatly. It's not considered a medical necessity. We can all argue until we're blue in the face that it is but that does not change what the law states.

2. There is new legislation that's already been passed that will affect how physicians are allowed to bill insurance for TRT. A lot of this has to do with the gouging that goes on by physicians. But the new law will not make it financially rewarding for a lot of physicians based on how they practice now and getting a physician to change how he practices is often like trying to put a cat in the bathtub, not gonna happen.

3. Private insurance is going to see their cost increase due to fees that are passed to the consumer to help pay for the new healthcare law. In order to help keep price somewhat under control, some medical practices are simply being dropped from plans to control this cost. Now if enough people were willing to pay far higher premiums for plans that cover TRT, then sure, most insurance companies would still cover it, but that's not going to happen. And why would you pay an enormous fee just to have TRT added when you could pay far less out of pocket?

[j2048b]

my doc, i went in, explained i had been with a clinic for years self injecting at home, and he said here is ur script take it home, do u need pins? i have the option but cannot inject into the glute, so i chose to go to my other more local doc, give it to them, and yes for some reason my insurance charges me, even tho its my meds, i already purchased and they inject me because i cannot do that ass shot! shoulders are fine at home, might go back to those so i can do the 50mls 2 times a week along with my hcg so i can stablize a bit better...


let us know what ur doc says if u need a new doc, use google earth, type in compounding pharmacies, for ur area, call them and ask who they work with who provides hrt and uses insurance, and do a telephone interview with whom ever u call to find out who u feel is the most educated and helpful...