Restart went wrong

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12-21-2013, 09:07 PM
jomamma007

Restart went wrong

Hey guys so i'm wondering what happened with my restart.

I tried scallys restart which was
1600hcg EoD for 2 weeks (he recommends more but that's all I had)
4 weeks clomid 100 throughout
6 weeks nolva 40 throughout

2 weeks after pct

12/26/12
Total T 865 (248-1197)
LH 15.4 H (1.7-8.6)
FSH 9.7 (1.5-12.4)
Estradiol 42.3 (7.6-42.6)

Ranges are same throughout

6 weeks after PCT. Why did my numbers go up???
1/7
Total T 1017
LH 11.6 H
FSH 9.6
Estradiol 42.1

10 weeks post pct Would have been stoked with these levels
Total T 571
LH 5.1
FSH 3.9
Estradiol 24.1

15 weeks post pct Numbers continued to fall
Total T 394
LH 2.2
FSH 3.3
Estradiol 18.1

Then I got on TRT as I figured I would keep goign down. Now I was on gear for 2 years so maybe If i would have waited a few more months I would have gone up a bit.
The problem was that my SHBG which was 19 naturally climbed to 76 From the pct. This left me with no free T, even when my Total t was 1100 my free T was barely mid-range. Currently on trt my SHBG is ~32
I know clomid and nolva can raise SHBG as well as shooting a lot of HCG. I'm planning on doing another restart now and being more patient this time, being that I'm only 22.

I figure I have a few options. Just Clomid and Nolvadex, or nothing and just letting my body recover on it's own. Obviously the latter is probably a better idea but not if my SHBG climbs to a ridiculous number again. My numbers on TRT are perfect right now, seriously without an ai and I had a complete panel done, the most thorough one that can be tested through labcorp and the only thing off was my iron levels but no one seems to think it's a big deal. Yet I still only feel good maybe one day a week. I'd rather take my chances and try a restart.

Just curious as to what my best bet is.

Maybe run clomi for 6 months this time as my body recovers at a low dose. I'm trying to get with the board sponsors just for the help of a restart but I'm stumped at the moment.
12-21-2013, 09:11 PM
PistolPete33

Why don't you do the right thing and go see an Endo..... You really f*cked yourself bad.
12-21-2013, 11:30 PM
Megalodon6

Since your numbers are good and you feel good why not just stay on trt? Is it money are just the fact that you don't wanna be married to a neddle at 22
12-22-2013, 12:32 AM
Metalject

One of the reasons your restart may have not went well is because most of the time they do not work. Yes they can work but the odds are never in your favor. I'm not saying that's what happened but there's a good chance.
12-22-2013, 01:05 AM
jomamma007

Quote:

Originally Posted by PistolPete33

Why don't you do the right thing and go see an Endo..... You really f*cked yourself bad.

I've been to multiple endos.
They're a joke,,,
12-22-2013, 01:06 AM
jomamma007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megalodon6

Since your numbers are good and you feel good why not just stay on trt? Is it money are just the fact that you don't wanna be married to a neddle at 22

Because I don't feel good or I would stay on trt
12-22-2013, 09:34 AM
VTX1800

Quote:

Originally Posted by PistolPete33

Why don't you do the right thing and go see an Endo..... You really f*cked yourself bad.

I think anyone that has tried to find the root cause of their low t will be the 1st to tell ya endos can be more problematic to a body. Not saying every endo.
I'm sure 007 knows he's in a tough situation, that was nice of you to remind him. J/k be positive!
12-22-2013, 09:38 AM
VTX1800

I think you had the right idea man, keeping up with BW every 4 weeks is good to see. It may be time to reflect on being a lifer! I'll be doing the same in a few days when my BW and MRI results are in. Good luck
12-22-2013, 02:50 PM
Low Testosterone

Restarts have about a 50/50 success rate in men in their early 20's. The older we get the less odds of success a restart has. A man in his 30's and above, the odds are not good. It can work but again, the odds are not good.
12-22-2013, 02:54 PM
Megalodon6

Quote:

Originally Posted by Low Testosterone

Restarts have about a 50/50 success rate in men in their early 20's. The older we get the less odds of success a restart has. A man in his 30's and above, the odds are not good. It can work but again, the odds are not good.

If only every guy that wanted to run a cycle In their early 20's knew this!
12-22-2013, 03:51 PM
Low Testosterone

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megalodon6

If only every guy that wanted to run a cycle In their early 20's knew this!

We have guys come through all the time that ran cycles in their late 20's and 30's and who are completely shutdown. Plenty of guys who run these so-called PCT's, same story. Cycles are one of those things that have no guarantees even if you supposedly do things right. Personally I don't like the "do things right" line because it's too black and white. Improve your odds? Sure, but that's as far as it goes.
12-22-2013, 04:59 PM
Megalodon6

Quote:

Originally Posted by Low Testosterone

We have guys come through all the time that ran cycles in their late 20's and 30's and who are completely shutdown. Plenty of guys who run these so-called PCT's, same story. Cycles are one of those things that have no guarantees even if you supposedly do things right. Personally I don't like the "do things right" line because it's too black and white. Improve your odds? Sure, but that's as far as it goes.

This should be an eye opener for some
12-22-2013, 05:14 PM
EasyDoesIt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Low Testosterone

We have guys come through all the time that ran cycles in their late 20's and 30's and who are completely shutdown. Plenty of guys who run these so-called PCT's, same story. Cycles are one of those things that have no guarantees even if you supposedly do things right. Personally I don't like the "do things right" line because it's too black and white. Improve your odds? Sure, but that's as far as it goes.

Seems like an individual thing doesn't it? Every persons body is different and what they can tolerate and how they react.
12-22-2013, 05:19 PM
BigPimpin76

Quote:

Originally Posted by jomamma007

I've been to multiple endos. They're a joke,,,

Most Endos suck!
Its incredible and its so Ironic

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12-22-2013, 05:27 PM
dreadnok89

100 chlomid a day?
12-22-2013, 08:36 PM
jomamma007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Low Testosterone

We have guys come through all the time that ran cycles in their late 20's and 30's and who are completely shutdown. Plenty of guys who run these so-called PCT's, same story. Cycles are one of those things that have no guarantees even if you supposedly do things right. Personally I don't like the "do things right" line because it's too black and white. Improve your odds? Sure, but that's as far as it goes.

Would you guys help with a restart even if im 22. I know you guys dont treat guys my age but i thought id ask sincr its a restart, not trt im after.
12-22-2013, 08:37 PM
jomamma007

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreadnok89

100 chlomid a day?

Aye, 50 morning, another 50 mid day.
12-23-2013, 07:40 AM
dreadnok89

Quote:

Originally Posted by jomamma007

Aye, 50 morning, another 50 mid day.

How did you feel on that? I heard people stay on that 25 EOD and keep their test high
12-23-2013, 07:50 AM
lovbyts

You were on for 2 years, at 15 weeks your numbers dont look that bad. You should have given it more time and realize you took 2 years screwing it up so give it some time to go back to normal.

Most of us who are on TRT would have loved to have close to 400 naturally and tried more to get it to go up naturally.
12-23-2013, 02:02 PM
jomamma007

Quote:

Originally Posted by lovbyts

You were on for 2 years, at 15 weeks your numbers dont look that bad. You should have given it more time and realize you took 2 years screwing it up so give it some time to go back to normal.

Most of us who are on TRT would have loved to have close to 400 naturally and tried more to get it to go up naturally.

The problem was that my SHBG was 73. So that 400 Total T resulted in a free test of 3(9-26)
:(. I do think If I would have given my body another few months thigns might have leveled out but I'm freaked out to try again.
I mean a 2 months pct and then waiting 4-6 months to see If I recover.
And if I don't I basically wasted 6 months of my life because I cannot function with low T, at my age it hits so hard.
12-23-2013, 03:31 PM
APIs

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megalodon6

This should be an eye opener for some

Nah, it's likely that 'no' one will pay attention to it. Even coming from an expert in the field...
01-07-2014, 10:01 PM
Charlie6

Hey 007, any updates?