My first BW done?....

**BigPimpin76** · 01-04-2014, 09:14 PM

5 1/2 weeks after starting TRT, this is what my BW shows.. Any input apreciated.... does it look ok? Its in spanish, but values are the same..... Thanks in advance Sent from my iPad using Forum

**kelkel** · 01-04-2014, 10:42 PM

Edit your name off the BW!

Hema/hemo high. Time to give blood.
Total T high. When was blood pulled relative to injection?
Test Libra is free I assume? Is there a range?
Is that a sensitive E2 panel? Doesn't appear so.

If blood pulled just prior to injection then consider titrating your dosage down. Especially with TT above range and potentially FT as well high.

What is your entire protocol and how do you feel?

**BigPimpin76** · 01-05-2014, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Edit your name off the BW! Hema/hemo high. Time to give blood. Total T high. When was blood pulled relative to injection? Test Libra is free I assume? Is there a range? Is that a sensitive E2 panel? Doesn't appear so. If blood pulled just prior to injection then consider titrating your dosage down. Especially with TT above range and potentially FT as well high. What is your entire protocol and how do you feel?

I am injecting 50 mg x 2 weekly. I am feeling ok... Havent felt the kick of test completely..
Erections and Libido not there yet... Seems I am getting leaner...
Yes, Blood was pulled relatively close to injection, it was a day before...
Yes, Its supposed to be E2 sensitive

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**Rusty11** · 01-05-2014, 10:50 AM

Just following what kel said, if after only 6 weeks your hct is at 52, donate soon. If it gets much higher, you will be rejected for a donation. So, if you don't want to reduce your dose, at least get to a donation center soon.

**kelkel** · 01-05-2014, 10:51 AM

It takes time to feel the subjective benefits. Give blood as stated and keep your eye on your H & H. If it continually rises quickly then you should definitely titrate your T dose down. You won't feel the difference if you drop a few hundred points from the top of the chart. Be patient and only make one change at a time if possible. Otherwise you won't know what change actually makes a difference for you.

**BigPimpin76** · 01-05-2014, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

It takes time to feel the subjective benefits. Give blood as stated and keep your eye on your H & H. If it continually rises quickly then you should definitely titrate your T dose down. You won't feel the difference if you drop a few hundred points from the top of the chart. Be patient and only make one change at a time if possible. Otherwise you won't know what change actually makes a difference for you.

Kelkel! Always like your Avatars Bro! Gets the blood flowing

Thanks for advise!
Maybe a wasnt being very precise on my dosing due to measurement of seringe. It also could have been the HCG raised my T much more....I dont know..
Dosing would vary a a few points above 50 mg. will be more precise this round for the next 4 weeks.
Hope to get much better feeling this next round.....
Also, do you suggest to donate blood now? if so, how much should be donated? a liter? 1/2 a liter?

Thanks in advance Bro

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**BigPimpin76** · 01-05-2014, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Rusty11

Just following what kel said, if after only 6 weeks your hct is at 52, donate soon. If it gets much higher, you will be rejected for a donation. So, if you don't want to reduce your dose, at least get to a donation center soon.

Whats up Rusty! Thanks for you chiming in.
Also, I will keep the same dosage and I will try to donate blood!
I dont know if I can donate due to my Tattoos.

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**BigPimpin76** · 01-05-2014, 02:55 PM

Once blood is donated? What happens in terms to blood?
Will Test bind to receptors much better.
I would like to understand this better....

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**kelkel** · 01-05-2014, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by BigPimpin76

Once blood is donated? What happens in terms to blood? Your body makes more. Pretty nice of it actually!
Will Test bind to receptors much better. No.
I would like to understand this better....You should.

It can lead to polycythemia. Your RBC's get thick/increase in size and in short the end result is not good. Google it.

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above in bold.

**BigPimpin76** · 01-05-2014, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

above in bold.

Understood!
How much should I donate?

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**kelkel** · 01-05-2014, 03:38 PM

It's not up to you. Blood banks only take so much! Recent tattoo's will eliminate you from the process though and if that's the case then your doc will need to write you a script for a therapeutic phlebotomy.

**BigPimpin76** · 01-05-2014, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

It's not up to you. Blood banks only take so much! Recent tattoo's will eliminate you from the process though and if that's the case then your doc will need to write you a script for a therapeutic phlebotomy.

I got tattooed 3 months ago.....
how much blood Is usually donated?

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**BigPimpin76** · 01-05-2014, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by BigPimpin76

5 1/2 weeks after starting TRT, this is what my BW shows.. Any input apreciated.... does it look ok? Its in spanish, but values are the same..... Thanks in advance Sent from my iPad using Forum

I apologize to bother once more....
In regards to my Free T it seems its a bit high... Is this ok? If hogh, what can I do for it to be lowered?

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**64509chvl** · 01-05-2014, 06:31 PM

It seems that your Total T is the high one since it's in Red, along with Hemoglobin. Don't even see a range for Free T? In order to lower it though I'm pretty sure you simply use less Test.

**BigPimpin76** · 01-05-2014, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by 64509chvl

It seems that your Total T is the high one since it's in Red, along with Hemoglobin. Don't even see a range for Free T? In order to lower it though I'm pretty sure you simply use less Test.

My BW. Ranges

18.00 pg/ml ...... 2.8- 28 pg/ ml

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**BigPimpin76** · 01-05-2014, 06:42 PM

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**64509chvl** · 01-05-2014, 06:57 PM

Oh OK I didn't notice the ranges below! So your Free T def isn't high then according to the ranges.

**BigPimpin76** · 01-05-2014, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by 64509chvl

Oh OK I didn't notice the ranges below! So your Free T def isn't high then according to the ranges.

Free T seems to be in its normal ranges.
Total T is a bit high in the 916 range.

So should I tapper a few points down in regards to dosage?

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**64509chvl** · 01-05-2014, 07:12 PM

I would say so bud...hct is already up there, E2 is high & total test is high! I'm just stating the obvious here. I think lowering dose would be the smart thing to do, however...I'm very new to this myself, only 11 weeks in! I like to think I know a bit about all this but I'm honestly just learning & don't want to give bad advice! Better to act on the vet's advice before mine

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**kelkel** · 01-05-2014, 07:20 PM

645 is correct. Titrate down a bit and get a script for a blood draw as you will not be able to use a blood bank with your new tattoo.

**BigPimpin76** · 01-05-2014, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by 64509chvl

I would say so bud...hct is already up there, E2 is high & total test is high! I'm just stating the obvious here. I think lowering dose would be the smart thing to do, however...I'm very new to this myself, only 11 weeks in! I like to think I know a bit about all this but I'm honestly just learning & don't want to give bad advice! Better to act on the vet's advice before mine

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I apreciate your input though! Thanks

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**BigPimpin76** · 01-05-2014, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

645 is correct. Titrate down a bit and get a script for a blood draw as you will not be able to use a blood bank with your new tattoo.

Thanks Kelkel! I was injecting a bit over 50 mg x 2 wkly due to the bad accuracy of the serynge!
Im going to be more precise and Inwill use a Insulin seringe wich is more accurate.
So in all, I will lower the dose!
I will also keep my estrogen in check using AI 25. Mg twice weekly

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**64509chvl** · 01-05-2014, 07:32 PM

Cool man! Hope you get things working together!

**kelkel** · 01-05-2014, 07:38 PM

Go easy on any adex. It's very easy to crash E2 which you will not appreciate. Try to get a sensitive E2 assay first. You can also consider DIM, Zinc and Copper as a natural AI alternative.

**BigPimpin76** · 01-05-2014, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by 64509chvl

Cool man! Hope you get things working together!

Yeah Bro! Hope to get things in check!
All the best Bro

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**BigPimpin76** · 01-05-2014, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Go easy on any adex. It's very easy to crash E2 which you will not appreciate. Try to get a sensitive E2 assay first. You can also consider DIM, Zinc and Copper as a natural AI alternative.

Ok Bro I will!
I ordered the E2 Sensitive..... You dont think its the right E 2 panel in regards to my Bw?

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