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    Bass's latest BW during T3 cycle as of 1/7/2014

    TSH has decreased dramatically, usually it averages at about 2.500 uIU/ml, now its 0.832

    when I did the BW I was taking 50mcg T3 ed, shouldn't my T3 Uptake be higher? no change from last BW!

    my platelets are always on the low side, but this is the first time its below normal. can T3 cause this, and should I be worried about it?

    cholesterol looks awesome compared to previous BW

    PSA no change, good!

    Kidneys keep getting better despite the heavy training and high protein intake.

    at 160 mgs test ew along with 0.5 mg AI my E2 is still low, my doc suggested the test increase to see if it helps with shoulder pain. didn't work so i'll ask her to go back to my previous dose of 120mgs ew. no need to have my test that high, also will eliminate the need for AI.


    TSH 0.832 0.450-4.500 uIU/mL
    Thyroxine (T4) 2.8 LOW 4.5-12.0 ug/dL
    T3 Uptake 31 24-39 %
    Free Thyroxine Index 0.9 LOW 1.2-4.9

    Cholesterol, Total 188 100-199 mg/dL
    Triglycerides 97 0-149 mg/dL
    HDL Cholesterol 45 >39 mg/dL
    VLDL Cholesterol Cal 19 5-40 mg/dL
    LDL Cholesterol Calc 124 HIGH 0-99 mg/dL

    Platelets 134 LOW 155-379 x10E3/uL

    Testosterone , Serum 939 348-1197 ng/dL
    Testosterone, Free 33.43 HIGH 5.00-21.00 ng/dL
    % Free Testosterone 3.56 1.50-4.20 %

    Insulin -Like Growth Factor I 216 HIGH 61-200 ng/mL

    Prostate Specific Ag, Serum 0.9 0.0-4.0 ng/mL

    Creatinine, Serum 1.18 0.76-1.27 mg/dL
    eGFR If NonAfricn Am 70 >59 mL/min/1.73

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    Sorry. I can't answer your questions, but are you feeling hyperthyroid symptoms? Years ago, my tsh dropped down to almost that level. I felt horrible. Lost 30#, jittery, rapid heartbeat, etc...
    How do you feel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty11 View Post
    Sorry. I can't answer your questions, but are you feeling hyperthyroid symptoms? Years ago, my tsh dropped down to almost that level. I felt horrible. Lost 30#, jittery, rapid heartbeat, etc...
    How do you feel?
    exactly the same symptoms you described! yea I like to lose 20-25 pounds of fat if I can put up with the sides. actually I reduced T3 dose to 25 mcg ed, we'll see if that will have any fat burning effect. thanks for the input.

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    Do you take aspirin on a regular basis? I'm not sure about other COX inhibitors as far as how they affect platelet count but I know aspirin specifically does. What is your doctors opinion on the platelets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Java Man View Post
    Do you take aspirin on a regular basis? I'm not sure about other COX inhibitors as far as how they affect platelet count but I know aspirin specifically does. What is your doctors opinion on the platelets?
    haven't talked to the doc yet, but will next week. I was on vicodin and do take pain killers every day, not sure if that had any effect. like I said my platelets were always on the low normal.

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    how does it feel on T3 versus before? (what was your tsh before?) my TSH is 6.24, so my doctor has ordered full thyroid bloodwork, also, why is your t4 and t3 low but your tsh is very low as well?

    also i had a test level of 1259, could this have contributed to the high tsh? And why am i so darn sensitive to test, 100 mg/week and 1259!? full blood work coming, see my thread next week...

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    Painkillers screw everything up..... I'm interested to here what your doc says about this.

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    I concur with JD. They do a number on your liver too.

    i was using opiates and alcohol heavily after a surgery which contributed to a T crash.

    Getting off pain killers is tough but there are alternatives.

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    Why the pain meds Bass?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Why the pain meds Bass?
    right shoulder and left knee! tried TB and other stuff with no luck. they can't find tear or major problems, only some bumps/bulges, small ones where the tendon runs through, not much can be done, only surgery can fix it, maybe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bass View Post
    right shoulder and left knee! tried TB and other stuff with no luck. they can't find tear or major problems, only some bumps/bulges, small ones where the tendon runs through, not much can be done, only surgery can fix it, maybe!
    Bass, don't be afraid of taking the surgery plunge. I've had two R/C repairs on my left shoulder and it's solid as can be. Plus, you're fit and with proper PT after surgery you'll be back with no problem. It's usually the lazy fauks that have post surgery issues.

    A second alternative would be to try a cortisone shot, but ask your Doc to add Triamcinolone to the mixture and to use ultra sound to pin-point placement of the needle directly into the injury site. I was having some trouble with my right shoulder recently and this combination cleared it right up! Try it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by APIs View Post
    Bass, don't be afraid of taking the surgery plunge. I've had two R/C repairs on my left shoulder and it's solid as can be. Plus, you're fit and with proper PT after surgery you'll be back with no problem. It's usually the lazy fauks that have post surgery issues.

    A second alternative would be to try a cortisone shot, but ask your Doc to add Triamcinolone to the mixture and to use ultra sound to pin-point placement of the needle directly into the injury site. I was having some trouble with my right shoulder recently and this combination cleared it right up! Try it...
    thanks AP, yes I remember you mentioning the cortisone and Triamcinolone previously. I will definitely mention it to him on my next visit. good thing is they can't find any major tears, so maybe this combo or even a surgery would put me back in good shape. will see.

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    Do you notice any muscle loss taking the T3?

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    no I am on TRT also I've reduced my dose to 30mcg, working great with less sides. feeling great too!

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    T3 from board sponsor?

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    Thanks Bass, i just wondered because other places it said u needed at least 250 to fight off muscle loss, i do not wanna go that high on my TRT, maybe ill try it at a low dose like you.

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    Bass, I have had some shoulder problems along with knee surgeries in the past. Cortisone shots do wonders. I have a slap tear in my shoulder and when I've had pain, I get one and I'm 100% within a couple of weeks. I have a new issue on my right shoulder/pec area but haven't had the need for a shot. Want to do an MRI but my out of pocket is a bit high now, (thanks Mr. president) but I've been able to train without any setbacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FRDave View Post
    T3 from board sponsor?
    yes. the stuff is powerful.

    Quote Originally Posted by joebailey1271 View Post
    Thanks Bass, i just wondered because other places it said u needed at least 250 to fight off muscle loss, i do not wanna go that high on my TRT, maybe ill try it at a low dose like you.
    I am only doing 30mcg T3 and 160 mgs test. my weight is almost the same but leaning out fairly quick. my are was 17" before T3 and it still 17", that's an indication I am not loosing muscle. I hope!


    Quote Originally Posted by Beethoven View Post
    Bass, I have had some shoulder problems along with knee surgeries in the past. Cortisone shots do wonders. I have a slap tear in my shoulder and when I've had pain, I get one and I'm 100% within a couple of weeks. I have a new issue on my right shoulder/pec area but haven't had the need for a shot. Want to do an MRI but my out of pocket is a bit high now, (thanks Mr. president) but I've been able to train without any setbacks.
    yea I'll ask my doc for the combo API noted, I haven't had a Cortisone shot in over 10 year, its time. thanks for the tip.

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    I don't like adding t3 without also adding t4 it usually tanks my t4 if I don't.

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    Bass, how is your results?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joebailey1271 View Post
    Bass, how is your results?
    Its awesome so far. still weigh the same but much leaner. skin getting think and separation is looking good. interesting my usual body aches are less, I know my thyroid is not optimal and that's why I feeling so much better. also feel very sleepy in the evening, probably due to lower tsh and t4. most likely I'll be on thyroid meds. will bring it up to my doc next visit.

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    What influenced you to take T3? Thanks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwh7699 View Post
    What influenced you to take T3? Thanks!!
    to help with fat loss.

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    Once you reach your goal, is it ok to stop taking it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bass View Post
    Its awesome so far. still weigh the same but much leaner. skin getting think and separation is looking good. interesting my usual body aches are less, I know my thyroid is not optimal and that's why I feeling so much better. also feel very sleepy in the evening, probably due to lower tsh and t4. most likely I'll be on thyroid meds. will bring it up to my doc next visit.
    Ask you doc about Armour. It's a t3 t4 combo but natural not synthetic. I switched from synthetic t3 and t4 and my weight started dropping way off. Ive added more calories to compensate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwh7699 View Post
    Once you reach your goal, is it ok to stop taking it?
    I am hoping yes! based on Austinite's article its no problem to even stop cold turkey, but i'll taper down just in case.

    Quote Originally Posted by jasondd1 View Post
    Ask you doc about Armour. It's a t3 t4 combo but natural not synthetic. I switched from synthetic t3 and t4 and my weight started dropping way off. Ive added more calories to compensate.
    thanks, actually I am more interested in NDT,

    Natural Thyroid 101 | Stop The Thyroid Madness

    Vettester made the recommendation and I am looking into it, so far I am very interested.

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    Thanks for the response! Best of Luck with your Shoulder!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by APIs View Post
    Bass, don't be afraid of taking the surgery plunge. I've had two R/C repairs on my left shoulder and it's solid as can be. Plus, you're fit and with proper PT after surgery you'll be back with no problem. It's usually the lazy fauks that have post surgery issues.

    A second alternative would be to try a cortisone shot, but ask your Doc to add Triamcinolone to the mixture and to use ultra sound to pin-point placement of the needle directly into the injury site. I was having some trouble with my right shoulder recently and this combination cleared it right up! Try it...
    did the cortisone and Triamcinolone shot. but as mentioned in my PM they want to go in and scrape the calcium buildup as that is causing my inflammation. we'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bass View Post
    I am hoping yes! based on Austinite's article its no problem to even stop cold turkey, but i'll taper down just in case.



    thanks, actually I am more interested in NDT,

    Natural Thyroid 101 | Stop The Thyroid Madness

    Vettester made the recommendation and I am looking into it, so far I am very interested.
    Armour is a NDT. Just one of the several brand names.

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    Hey Bass, you still taking the T3, any good fat loss. I tried it for about 2 weeks, made me weaker and tired, lost about 5 lbs though but I cant take the tired feeling.

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    no I had to abort due to nasty sides. not worth it in my opinion!

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    Bass, what's your current action plan for fat loss? T3 was suggested in one of my posts (over GHRP/GHRH combo), but it sounds like the run was pretty rough for you. I would like to amp up burning belly fat for a good 8-12 weeks to get ready for Spring/Summer. Diet is in check, but melting away slowly...

    Thanks!

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    This maybe kinda off topic but I started taking Qsymia for weight loss and am down 20 pounds so far this year and my lifts are up, its nice because I don't have to eat at all and that was never a issues. I will say my TSH T3/T4 have always been good so it maybe a little different then what bass is doing but just wanted to throw it out.

    w/o insurance it's $75 a month with the discount they are offering.

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    This isn't what I wanted to hear. Just ordered my t3 from board sponsor. I will likely need more to finish, but didn't want to bulk buy stuff that will sit.

    I've taken synthroid before, and it made me sick, I mean missing work sick a ton. Dose was way too low though, my tsh went up. So I am a little worried with t3 that I will underdose and screw myself up.

    Anyone know what a t3 dose would be like to match standard thyroid replacement in normal individuals? I usually have to take twice as much of things or more for similar effects. My plan was to work up to 50 mcg and assess the situation, run 75 mcg for a short few weeks, drop to 25 for a few more, then discontinue, so a very short cycle. But if 75 ends up being replacement for me, I don't want to underdose either. Kind of a factor I don't want to deal with right now, but taking the risk anyways.

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    TSH / T3 is a bitch of a drug, I have friends that need this stuff and it takes MONTHS to get it dialed in, most have to take T3 2x a day and cant have it with other things then if you go too high you get sides and all kinda other shit.

    If you want to cut fat why not do a weight loss drug. If your thyroid is off why not get an endo that can get you a script that is CONSISTENT because T3 is so strong if it's underground it maybe different every time. I know most take synthroid then T3 2x a day.

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    I do have hashimoto's, but can manage it with diet changes and have decent thyroid levels, this is just temporary, very short duration boost or blast if you wish.

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    well not all react the same way, I just happen to be extra sensitive to drugs in general. for example I been getting severe hives everyday since I got the cortisone shot, rare side but I got it! I just did a full on thyroid panel among other things, this is about 4 weeks I stopped T3, so we'll see how T effected me and if it completely screwed up my thyroid, it was pretty sluggish to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SEOINAGE
    This isn't what I wanted to hear. Just ordered my t3 from board sponsor. I will likely need more to finish, but didn't want to bulk buy stuff that will sit. I've taken synthroid before, and it made me sick, I mean missing work sick a ton. Dose was way too low though, my tsh went up. So I am a little worried with t3 that I will underdose and screw myself up. Anyone know what a t3 dose would be like to match standard thyroid replacement in normal individuals? I usually have to take twice as much of things or more for similar effects. My plan was to work up to 50 mcg and assess the situation, run 75 mcg for a short few weeks, drop to 25 for a few more, then discontinue, so a very short cycle. But if 75 ends up being replacement for me, I don't want to underdose either. Kind of a factor I don't want to deal with right now, but taking the risk anyways.
    Standard thyroid puts out around 25mcg daily so it's recommended you start at 50 mcg daily and go up based on sides. From what I read, no need to taper downward, just quit taking and your natural thyroid will kick in within hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FRDave View Post
    Standard thyroid puts out around 25mcg daily so it's recommended you start at 50 mcg daily and go up based on sides. From what I read, no need to taper downward, just quit taking and your natural thyroid will kick in within hours.
    That's good to hear, thanks.

    Bass please do post that up, would be nice to see if it went back to exactly where you were before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SEOINAGE View Post
    That's good to hear, thanks.

    Bass please do post that up, would be nice to see if it went back to exactly where you were before.
    Austinite has a long write up on T3.
    http://forums.steroid.com/supplement...how-works.html

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