ai for gyno

[PJS19]

If gyno has started up, will upping AI dose do anything to help it at that point? Noticed a lump near my left nipple yesterday. Been only take 1/4 AI twice a week, guess it wasnt enough. Had blood work yesterday so we will see what that says, but Im assuming my e2 was too high.

Can I take Nolva while on TRT to help the gyno?

[FRDave]

Read this: http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-c...erms-only.html

And this: http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-reversal.html

[PJS19]

Thanks Dave. Is it OK to use Nolvadex on TRT? That seems like my best option, as just upping my AI dose probably wont effect existing gyno

[kelkel]

First you need to control the E2 conversion by finding the proper balance with your AI. The BW you just pulled will guide you. And yes, you can run nolva or raloxifene at the same time as your AI to help remedy the gyno. Be aware that serms can slightly impact the effectiveness of your AI.

[Machdiesel]

Kel, does lower estrogen make the serm more effective. I Keep seeing people say don't use AIs for gyno but I would think having lower estrogen PLUS tne serm you would have a better outcome as opposed to
Slightly elevated E2 and a serm

[Docd187123]

Kel, does lower estrogen make the serm more effective. I Keep seeing people say don't use AIs for gyno but I would think having lower estrogen PLUS tne serm you would have a better outcome as opposed to
Slightly elevated E2 and a serm

Lower E2 won't make the SERM more effective it will simply reduce the number of aromatase enzymes capable of synthesizing estradiol which reduces the likelihood of it binding at the receptor. There's no need for an AI to treat gyno the SERMs will take care of that unless your E2 is elevated in which case dosing of AAS maybe adjusted if possible or adding in an AI. Running both together isn't a problem if it's needed but always try and use he least amount of compounds necessary is my $.02

[kelkel]

always try and use he least amount of compounds necessary is my $.02

Exactly. Main thing is to maintain a healthy E2 level and you won't need the serm. It's where mid-cycle BW is very important. This way you actually know (and not guess) exactly where you are and can then titrate accordingly. There are guys though who are extremely gyno sensitive and run serms whenever they run a cycle.

[PJS19]

Thanks for the info. I am going to buy liquid Tamox from the site sponser, and adjust my AI once blood work comes in. Im surprised that I got gyno since I was using 1/4 AI on test days (e3d 50mg). HCG 350 2x a week.

[Docd187123]

Exactly. Main thing is to maintain a healthy E2 level and you won't need the serm. It's where mid-cycle BW is very important. This way you actually know (and not guess) exactly where you are and can then titrate accordingly. There are guys though who are extremely gyno sensitive and run serms whenever they run a cycle.

As always your $.02 is worth it's weight in gold big buddy

[kelkel]

As always your $.02 is worth it's weight in gold big buddy

touche'

[Machdiesel]

Sponsor just got raloxifene in. 2 bottles last 4 months which is plenty long if you do indeed have gyno. Most think it's better then tamox

[PJS19]

thanks for that heads up machdiesel, unfortunately I already pulled the trigger and ordered tamox before i saw that post. It has worked in the past for me and sort of "dissolved" my gyno a couple years ago. Hopefully it works again.

[kelkel]

thanks for that heads up machdiesel, unfortunately I already pulled the trigger and ordered tamox before i saw that post. It has worked in the past for me and sort of "dissolved" my gyno a couple years ago. Hopefully it works again.

You'll be fine with Nolva. Ralox is statistically only slightly better.

[Ashop]

If gyno has started up, will upping AI dose do anything to help it at that point? Noticed a lump near my left nipple yesterday. Been only take 1/4 AI twice a week, guess it wasnt enough. Had blood work yesterday so we will see what that says, but Im assuming my e2 was too high.

Can I take Nolva while on TRT to help the gyno?

I would get your blood work back and go from there.

[BigPimpin76]

Thanks for the info. I am going to buy liquid Tamox from the site sponser, and adjust my AI once blood work comes in. Im surprised that I got gyno since I was using 1/4 AI on test days (e3d 50mg). HCG 350 2x a week.

Maybe reducing your HCG dose to 250 2x wkly could help.... That could be a factor of estrogen spike. If that isnt doing the trick reduce it further. Adjust acordingly! Also, your test Dose could be up as well!
100mg 2x wkly is the basic proyocol.
Go from there...
How is your Bf level?

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[PJS19]

Thanks for the tips. I tried 250, it didnt seem to be enough. I am on 325 2x a week and it seems to be enough to stimulate my testes judging by the fact they are hanging again and dont hurt.

My body fat is ok If I had to guess id say 12% give or take.

The blood work should help alot, to see if my dose is enough or if Im not properly absorbing subq or what.

[BigPimpin76]

Thanks for the tips. I tried 250, it didnt seem to be enough. I am on 325 2x a week and it seems to be enough to stimulate my testes judging by the fact they are hanging again and dont hurt. My body fat is ok If I had to guess id say 12% give or take. The blood work should help alot, to see if my dose is enough or if Im not properly absorbing subq or what.

Ok cool! Maybe vets can chime in some more!
Good Luck mate

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