My latest bloods Igf-1 up to 335 from avg of 130 after 6 mo of peptides

**jasondd1** · 05-21-2014, 01:58 PM

Bloods 6 weeks ago had me at e2 sensitive of less than 3 so no ai last 6 weeks and up to 33. E2 sensitive rose 30 points or so in 6 weeks with no ai. I'm thinking maybe .5 mg 2 times a week will keep it in check. .15 2 times a week crashed it to near zero.

Hematocrit was 55.2 6 weeks ago and i have since gave blood and still went up to 56.5.

IGF-1 6 weeks ago after 5-6 months of Ipam 3 times a day 100mcg per and cjc no dac 3 times a day 100mcg per was 204. Before peptides i averaged about 130.

Last 6 weeks upped Ipam to 4 times a day and 150-175 mcg per and cjc no dac 4 times a day 100mcg per. IGF-1 was 335!!!!!!!!!

Question is the peptides and my increase in IGF-1 causing my already problematic hematocrit levels to rise even higher? It's obvious my physique has changed since peptides. My weight stayed the same on the lower dose but I got leaner and leaner. My weight jumped up 10 pounds in several weeks when I increased peptide dose. BTW I'm 60 mg test cyp twice a week and 250 iu hcg 3 times a week.

It's pretty damn obvious to me peptides do work.

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**xcraider37** · 05-21-2014, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by jasondd1

Bloods 6 weeks ago had me at e2 sensitive of less than 3 so no ai last 6 weeks and up to 33. E2 sensitive rose 30 points or so in 6 weeks with no ai. I'm thinking maybe .5 mg 2 times a week will keep it in check. .15 2 times a week crashed it to near zero.

Hematocrit was 55.2 6 weeks ago and i have since gave blood and still went up to 56.5.

IGF-1 6 weeks ago after 5-6 months of Ipam 3 times a day 100mcg per and cjc no dac 3 times a day 100mcg per was 204. Before peptides i averaged about 130.

Last 6 weeks upped Ipam to 4 times a day and 150-175 mcg per and cjc no dac 4 times a day 100mcg per. IGF-1 was 335!!!!!!!!!

Question is the peptides and my increase in IGF-1 causing my already problematic hematocrit levels to rise even higher? It's obvious my physique has changed since peptides. My weight stayed the same on the lower dose but I got leaner and leaner. My weight jumped up 10 pounds in several weeks when I increased peptide dose. BTW I'm 60 mg test cyp twice a week and 250 iu hcg 3 times a week.

It's pretty damn obvious to me peptides do work.

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I'm betting .5 2x per week will crash your e2 again. Try either .125 or .25

Your top priority should be to address your hematocrit. ASAP

**kelkel** · 05-21-2014, 04:57 PM

To touch on your E a bit more. If you're stable at 30 leave it alone. That level is fine. It's how you feel, not the number.

**jasondd1** · 05-21-2014, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

To touch on your E a bit more. If you're stable at 30 leave it alone. That level is fine. It's how you feel, not the number.

I agree but if it went from under 3 to 30 in 6 weeks I'm kind of doubting it's stable there. Without an ai I was 47 before and I would assume if unchecked it would go back to 47 right?

**jasondd1** · 05-21-2014, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by xcraider37

I'm betting .5 2x per week will crash your e2 again. Try either .125 or .25

Your top priority should be to address your hematocrit. ASAP

Sorry I meant .05 2 times per week since .15 crashed it.

**Chicagotarsier** · 05-21-2014, 10:02 PM

CJC is awesome for the number results. Now ask yourself what you actually got out of a higher IGF-1.

IGF-1 is only significant when you compare to IGF-2. They use the same receptor. If IGF 1 &2 increased at the same rate.....you can do that math. The caveat everyone ignores about IGF-1 is the ratio to IGF-2. Yes, CJC is the most awesome of all peptides IF it works for you. It will always raise IGF-1...have not seen a case where it did not.

I would also add the rate of cancer with lower than average IGF-1 is astounding..almost zero rate among the low IGF crowd.

Originally Posted by jasondd1

Bloods 6 weeks ago had me at e2 sensitive of less than 3 so no ai last 6 weeks and up to 33. E2 sensitive rose 30 points or so in 6 weeks with no ai. I'm thinking maybe .5 mg 2 times a week will keep it in check. .15 2 times a week crashed it to near zero.

Hematocrit was 55.2 6 weeks ago and i have since gave blood and still went up to 56.5.

IGF-1 6 weeks ago after 5-6 months of Ipam 3 times a day 100mcg per and cjc no dac 3 times a day 100mcg per was 204. Before peptides i averaged about 130.

Last 6 weeks upped Ipam to 4 times a day and 150-175 mcg per and cjc no dac 4 times a day 100mcg per. IGF-1 was 335!!!!!!!!!

Question is the peptides and my increase in IGF-1 causing my already problematic hematocrit levels to rise even higher? It's obvious my physique has changed since peptides. My weight stayed the same on the lower dose but I got leaner and leaner. My weight jumped up 10 pounds in several weeks when I increased peptide dose. BTW I'm 60 mg test cyp twice a week and 250 iu hcg 3 times a week.

It's pretty damn obvious to me peptides do work.

**kelkel** · 05-22-2014, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by jasondd1

I agree but if it went from under 3 to 30 in 6 weeks I'm kind of doubting it's stable there. Without an ai I was 47 before and I would assume if unchecked it would go back to 47 right?

It may. Then again only BW will tell. You could also consider titrating down slightly in effort to help. No one wants to hear that but your free T is high enough and you won't feel it. I don't know if you're on a twice per week injection protocol but that obviously helps as well.

**jasondd1** · 05-22-2014, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

It may. Then again only BW will tell. You could also consider titrating down slightly in effort to help. No one wants to hear that but your free T is high enough and you won't feel it. I don't know if you're on a twice per week injection protocol but that obviously helps as well.

Thanks Kelkel and i know you're right but more is better dammit. It's like forcing yourself to take a week off from the gym every now and then, you know you should but. I will figure e2 out I'm more worried about my hematocrit right now and if peptides and raised igf-1 are worsening the problem. Because other than baby aspiriin, staying hydrated and giving blood every 8 weeks i don't know what else to do. I guess i can add in grape fruit.

**Black** · 05-22-2014, 09:19 AM

Its one thing if your igf levels are elevated, but are you noticing any benefits from the peptides?

**jasondd1** · 05-22-2014, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Black

Its one thing if your igf levels are elevated, but are you noticing any benefits from the peptides?

Strength gains, adding body weight and getting leaner. Muscles feel denser, that may or may not be true but it seems like they are. More vascular and overall leaner yet bigger. Sleep is better. No sides, no carpal tunnel. Blood pressure is up a bit. Definitely seem to be getting noticed at the gym more.

**Chicagotarsier** · 05-22-2014, 11:38 AM

Yes it is worsening it. Period
The primary stimulator for bone marrow is IGF-1

As IGF1 increases Marrow increases RBC production and RBC increases.

That is like the whole basis for IGF-1 in your body.

Originally Posted by jasondd1

Thanks Kelkel and i know you're right but more is better dammit. It's like forcing yourself to take a week off from the gym every now and then, you know you should but. I will figure e2 out I'm more worried about my hematocrit right now and if peptides and raised igf-1 are worsening the problem. Because other than baby aspiriin, staying hydrated and giving blood every 8 weeks i don't know what else to do. I guess i can add in grape fruit.