Estradiol level 30... To treat or not?

[Drseid]

Hello, i have been on hrt for about a year. (100mg/wk). My last 2 lab test show my test right in middle of range. My estradiol level was 30.(20-30 norm). Would you guys treat a 30? Thanks

[EverettCD]

It all depends on how you feel. If you feel good with no high E2 signs/symptoms then do not treat.

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[Beethoven]

[QUOTE=EverettCD;6888437]It all depends on how you feel. If you feel good with no high E2 signs/symptoms then do not treat.

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[kelkel]

Nothing at all wrong with 30 and you should have zero symptoms as well.

[Drseid]

Nothing at all wrong with 30 and you should have zero symptoms as well.

I really dont have any sides. I just felt like superman the first few months and that has wore off just a bit.thanks guys!

[2Sox]

The previous advice is on the mark.

I felt the same when I began TRT. First few months I felt great with a libido through the roof (which is not necessarily what one would want). After a few months things subsided - which I attributed to a higher than preferable E2 level. The most important thing, as others have said, is how you feel. If things start to go downhill, I would suggest you consider treating. But ALWAYS begin conservatively. AIs have a way of kicking butt - big time. Nothing to fool with.

[Low Testosterone]

Too many jump on AI's way too fast. I wouldn't consider AI use until estradiol was over 50 and even then I'd be more concerned about symptoms rather than a number. I understand a lot of people get upset when their estradiol is over 30 due to what they read online but there isn't anything all that special about the 20-30 range. Many men do and feel great over 30. If estradiol starts to go up from there and you want to lower it due to symptoms, I would first opt for OTC supplementation, which often works very well. I see a lot of guys drop their estradiol 10-20 points using nothing but zinc. Yes, AI's are often needed for many men but treatment should never be based on a number and shouldn't begin unless other options have failed.

[2Sox]

Too many jump on AI's way too fast. I wouldn't consider AI use until estradiol was over 50 and even then I'd be more concerned about symptoms rather than a number. I understand a lot of people get upset when their estradiol is over 30 due to what they read online but there isn't anything all that special about the 20-30 range. Many men do and feel great over 30. If estradiol starts to go up from there and you want to lower it due to symptoms, I would first opt for OTC supplementation, which often works very well. I see a lot of guys drop their estradiol 10-20 points using nothing but zinc. Yes, AI's are often needed for many men but treatment should never be based on a number and shouldn't begin unless other options have failed.

Low T,
You give me hope. But things haven't worked out for me that way. Seems if my numbers go above 30, I just don't feel good at all. I drag my ass in the gym and my libido is in the toilet. Considering dropping my T dose a bit to see what happens. Time will tell.

[Low Testosterone]

Low T,
You give me hope. But things haven't worked out for me that way. Seems if my numbers go above 30, I just don't feel good at all. I drag my ass in the gym and my libido is in the toilet. Considering dropping my T dose a bit to see what happens. Time will tell.

Ratios are often more important than the numbers themselves. For example, it's not uncommon to see a man with readings of 500 total testosterone and 50 estradiol feel a lot better than a man at 1100 testosterone and 21 estradiol. Granted, we're all different but the testosterone to estradiol ratio is generally more important than the numbers themselves.

[ebstein]

all how you feel...my E2 came back 2 weeks ago at 40, endo said it's at the high range of normal, but I was just feeling weird...I've dropped my 2 weekly injections to .4 ml from .5 ml, and take 75 mg zink after supper and feel a lot better.
I don't want to go on any more medications.

[rollingthunder]

zinc did not do "squat" for my e2 readings...

i take arimidex to keep my levels where i want them (20-30). can't say i have really "evaluated" how i "feel' at different e2 levels...

[bullshark99]

LowT, I believe far too many micro manage and get upset if there numbers are not spot on from what they read on the internet. What is the appropriate ratio that you are referring to??

[Chicagotarsier]

Everyone is different. It is your job to learn what E2 level makes you feel ok.

As far as superman then not that is common just because the body is jumping for joy and repairing basic muscle ATP itms that have been crap without Test...and your Nitrogen balance is being restored. A real Doc puts you on 100 mg/week and it takes a long while for your body to find its equalibrium because it has to work up to that level. That is why so many people are on 150-200 TrT doses. You feel better because your body is repairing more efficiently while keeping your nitrogen balance. Back to E2

Everyone is different. I felt the exact same with my E2 top of range as I did bottom or range..no difference. Only when my E2 went out of range by a small amount did I get any E2 issue...and it hit me like a sledgehammer. Felt like Blood Pressure was 3x normal (it was actually normal) and water retention was off the charts. I use aromasin and I started 2x 12.5 a day with fish oil and 24 hours later right as rain as before but better....it creeps up on you.

You have to experiment and find out what works for you...there is no template for all. Too many variables. What I can tell you is this:

150-175 test prop a week should put you 1500-1600 TT and just out of range high E2. Two 12.5 doses a day with fish oil aromasin will put you bottom 25% of the range. This is my experience as well as others. If you do not split the doses you will not get the same results. If you do not take with fat you will not get the same results.

Fixing your E2 level is not by changing your test dose..it is by adding an AI. The whole reason to have your dose is to get you to a certain point. If you cannot handle taking multiple meds TrT is not for you.

[2Sox]

Everyone is different. It is your job to learn what E2 level makes you feel ok.

As far as superman then not that is common just because the body is jumping for joy and repairing basic muscle ATP itms that have been crap without Test...and your Nitrogen balance is being restored. A real Doc puts you on 100 mg/week and it takes a long while for your body to find its equalibrium because it has to work up to that level. That is why so many people are on 150-200 TrT doses. You feel better because your body is repairing more efficiently while keeping your nitrogen balance. Back to E2

Everyone is different. I felt the exact same with my E2 top of range as I did bottom or range..no difference. Only when my E2 went out of range by a small amount did I get any E2 issue...and it hit me like a sledgehammer. Felt like Blood Pressure was 3x normal (it was actually normal) and water retention was off the charts. I use aromasin and I started 2x 12.5 a day with fish oil and 24 hours later right as rain as before but better....it creeps up on you.

You have to experiment and find out what works for you...there is no template for all. Too many variables. What I can tell you is this:

150-175 test prop a week should put you 1500-1600 TT and just out of range high E2. Two 12.5 doses a day with fish oil aromasin will put you bottom 25% of the range. This is my experience as well as others. If you do not split the doses you will not get the same results. If you do not take with fat you will not get the same results.

Fixing your E2 level is not by changing your test dose..it is by adding an AI. The whole reason to have your dose is to get you to a certain point. If you cannot handle taking multiple meds TrT is not for you.

You say some good things. However, I think you should be more careful when you post to say what is fact and what is your opinion. It seems to me that what you say about E2 only being controlled AIs, is your opinion. It is common knowledge that a well adjusted Test dose will enable a person to keep his E2 under control without an AI. That has been the experience of many here and the goal of many here, as well. So in my view your statement above in this regard is way off the mark.

I also maintain that advising someone to take 25mg of Aromasin a day - just because it worked for you - is bad advice. Many on TRT have found that it is very wise to approach any AI with a great deal of respect and caution. If not, they can do more harm than good; a person can really hurt himself. It would be good to be aware of this.

[booku]

i was at 41.1 pg/ml E2 and started running 6.25 mg aromasin ED, dropped it to 25.4. Was I justified?? I was bloated as heck and my nipples would burn, soon as I started the AI, all that went away and I felt way better, so would zinc have been just as effective in my case you think or was I justified?

and chicago, 100 mg/week put my e2 at 41.1 top of range was 42.6 so everyone is different bro, and I am 24 at that

[2Sox]

i was at 41.1 pg/ml E2 and started running 6.25 mg aromasin ED, dropped it to 25.4. Was I justified?? I was bloated as heck and my nipples would burn, soon as I started the AI, all that went away and I felt way better, so would zinc have been just as effective in my case you think or was I justified?

and chicago, 100 mg/week put my e2 at 41.1 top of range was 42.6 so everyone is different bro, and I am 24 at that

I think it's great that dosage worked for you but I'd suggest you keep a very close watch that you E2 level doesn't start going in the opposite direction. It's often very hard to find that perfect "maintenance" dose. I'm in the middle of finding it now myself.

About zinc: All I can say is what I have found myself and it doesn't do anything for me, as far as I can tell. I took DIM, copper and zinc daily (still taking Z and C daily) and found they had no noticeable effect on my E2 at all. But as we all know, everyone is different.

[Baxter35]

I also want to chime in that lowering test dose alone can be an effective means toward controlling E2. As some of you know, I was started off on trt at too high a dose (200/wk). Technically my E2 at that level was in range, but it was right at the top and I definitely felt it. I was bloated, swollen ankles, and felt easily out of breath and just generally crappy. After a couple months on a lowered dose of 100/week all that has gone away and I feel great. I was initially paranoid I'd lose the positive effects of trt on a lower dose, but that was all in my head. The only changes have been for the better. I get another blood test next month so I won't know til then what numbers are, but I expect my E2 will be much lower in the range.

[Ryanmcd]

Too many jump on AI's way too fast. I wouldn't consider AI use until estradiol was over 50 and even then I'd be more concerned about symptoms rather than a number. I understand a lot of people get upset when their estradiol is over 30 due to what they read online but there isn't anything all that special about the 20-30 range. Many men do and feel great over 30. If estradiol starts to go up from there and you want to lower it due to symptoms, I would first opt for OTC supplementation, which often works very well. I see a lot of guys drop their estradiol 10-20 points using nothing but zinc. Yes, AI's are often needed for many men but treatment should never be based on a number and shouldn't begin unless other options have failed.

Best post in months!!! I stopped copper and zinc and then my E2 hit 44, added copper and zinc back 50mg zinc 2mg copper and back at 21, and it costs me a whole 15$ a year

Now the question I have is could you do say 100mg zinc and 4mg copper if you upped your test and does it have any downside and when does it stop controlling E2.

[Ryanmcd]

About the copper and Zinc, not sure why just you few people have problems and the 1000s of people that Crisler and Shippen all see have good results with copper and zinc. Some of the main reasons I hate forums lolrof.

[Low Testosterone]

Best post in months!!! I stopped copper and zinc and then my E2 hit 44, added copper and zinc back 50mg zinc 2mg copper and back at 21, and it costs me a whole 15$ a year

Now the question I have is could you do say 100mg zinc and 4mg copper if you upped your test and does it have any downside and when does it stop controlling E2.

There would definitely be a point of no return, meaning you'd reach a point where zinc would no longer control your levels. When and where that point is would vary from person to person. Genetics play such a big role. I've seen numerous men who were very similarly built (height/weight) and on the same doses of testosterone the rate of aromatization was night and day.

[Ryanmcd]

There would definitely be a point of no return, meaning you'd reach a point where zinc would no longer control your levels. When and where that point is would vary from person to person. Genetics play such a big role. I've seen numerous men who were very similarly built (height/weight) and on the same doses of testosterone the rate of aromatization was night and day.

The old trial / error / bloodwork I know my brother can run a gram a week and his E2 is around 30, maybe I get that lucky, he's also leaner too.

Also thanks for the reply.

[rplante7]

Key point is aromatization is different for everybody

[dreadnok89]

Everyone is different. It is your job to learn what E2 level makes you feel ok.

As far as superman then not that is common just because the body is jumping for joy and repairing basic muscle ATP itms that have been crap without Test...and your Nitrogen balance is being restored. A real Doc puts you on 100 mg/week and it takes a long while for your body to find its equalibrium because it has to work up to that level. That is why so many people are on 150-200 TrT doses. You feel better because your body is repairing more efficiently while keeping your nitrogen balance. Back to E2

Everyone is different. I felt the exact same with my E2 top of range as I did bottom or range..no difference. Only when my E2 went out of range by a small amount did I get any E2 issue...and it hit me like a sledgehammer. Felt like Blood Pressure was 3x normal (it was actually normal) and water retention was off the charts. I use aromasin and I started 2x 12.5 a day with fish oil and 24 hours later right as rain as before but better....it creeps up on you.

You have to experiment and find out what works for you...there is no template for all. Too many variables. What I can tell you is this:

150-175 test prop a week should put you 1500-1600 TT and just out of range high E2. Two 12.5 doses a day with fish oil aromasin will put you bottom 25% of the range. This is my experience as well as others. If you do not split the doses you will not get the same results. If you do not take with fat you will not get the same results.

Fixing your E2 level is not by changing your test dose..it is by adding an AI. The whole reason to have your dose is to get you to a certain point. If you cannot handle taking multiple meds TrT is not for you.

Kinda off a little bit bud. If your constantly running that high of T blood pressure is sure to go up, It also depends on the persons body. I start traumatizing T to E when I start hitting over 900