TRT and drug testing

**17chester6** · 07-18-2014, 09:58 AM

60 years old and on TRT (Cypionate 50 mg, HCG 250 IU and Arimidex 0.25 mg twice weekly) since January. Liking the effect of more energy, better mood, sleeping better. I don't think my max at the gym has changed all that much but that's OK. I have started a thread in the past exploring TRT and drug testing in sports. I won't debate the morals of using TRT and competing but suffice it to say I am miffed that a 60 year old woman can take HRT for her low estrogen symptoms and compete in sports while I can't take T for my low T issue and compete.

This may be beyond the scope of this forum but does anyone know if this would work. Let's say I changed to daily aqueous testosterone injections (where it is cleared from the body in 2 to 3 days) and used HCG 250 IU twice weekly and avoided an AI (with daily T I am unlikely to aromatize much). Then a week before the competition I stopped all treatment and stayed off for that week of competing and then when the competition was over I resumed the treatments. Would testing for anabolic steroids show up? Would the epi-testosterone to testosterone ratio show up as abnormal? Would I feel like crud and perform poorly for the two weeks I would be "clean"?

I don't need to be told to check my morals for competing with T as my levels are now only normal and not high. I'm comfortable with that. But the system is such that I either find a way around this, I stop TRT all together and go back to going to bed at 8 at night or I stop competing.

Thanks for any info the experts can provide.

**kelkel** · 07-18-2014, 11:47 AM

Curious if you know what your ept-T to T ratio is while on TRT? How skewed it is assuming their standard is 4-1.
And yes, I agree with your logic. You're being punished for maintaining a healthy T level via a legally prescribed protocol.

**The_Crawfish** · 07-18-2014, 05:23 PM

I think it's bs that athletes can't bring their levels up to the normal range. I DON'T agree that they should be able to run cycles and gain advantages over others. What do you compete in?

**17chester6** · 07-19-2014, 07:08 AM

I prefer not to say. It's a small (in total numbers) sport in which I compete both nationally and internationally.

Kel: I don't know if my EpiT/T ratio is altered as I have no way of measuring it. It is, as you know, one of the tests they do for "real anabolic " doping. I have assumed with TRT my levels would be altered.

I'm paranoid of being detected should I be tested as it's a team sport and the rest of the team would be affected. If I can't ascertain that my proposed solution will work then I will have to drop out of competing internationally as it's in that arena that I could be tested.

Do you think the guys on the anabolic forum would know more about this subject?

**rplante7** · 07-19-2014, 07:36 AM

Is an exception made for doctor prescribed TRT??

**kelkel** · 07-19-2014, 10:44 AM

Chester I'll get this to a mod here who may be able to help.

**Bonaparte** · 07-19-2014, 02:39 PM

Depends on what the drug testing involves.
HCG and Adex are both detectable if tested for.
As for the test, they'll probably just check that your test:epitest ratio is less than 6:1, which even your 100 mg weekly of cyp should pass (so long as they aren't looking for ester metabolites).
Otherwise, there is always the test base option you proposed (may as well just use 7mg daily through competition to stay around normal range).

But even that could be figured out if they do bloodwork and find that you LH and FSH are non-existent (indicating severe secondary hypogonadism if you have extremely low T (and obviously no competitive athlete would be suffering from severe hypogonadism), or steroid use if you have normal or high T).