Low-dose oral cruise on TRT?

**O-town Beef** · 08-29-2014, 08:52 AM

I have finally been placed on TRT 2 weeks ago ( 2.5 mg ED of Androderm) Doing this for 4 months, BW to be done then, and then DR will adjust if needed. I will be moving to Test C or U at that time. Good, bad or ugly, any thoughts on a 10mg ED dose of Dianabol along wit the TRT? thanks
stats- 46 YR, many years of training, heavier again over last 2, 195lbs 5'8"

**fastman9** · 08-29-2014, 09:51 AM

Don't do the D-Ball until your done with BW or it will jack your results and the Doc will be like WTF! D-Ball is great stuff though.

**O-town Beef** · 08-29-2014, 09:56 AM

Haha good point thanks. as far as value though, does anyone see this as useful towards gaining/maintaning muscle especially at my age?

**kelkel** · 08-29-2014, 12:00 PM

Bad idea right now. You need time to adjust to TRT and find the correct protocol for you. Speaking of that, why start with A-derm if you plan on switching later? Once stable, and backed up by blood work, then cycle away if you choose. Dbol would never be my first choice but it depends on your goals.

**Baxter35** · 08-30-2014, 06:40 AM

If you plan to switch protocols, talk to your doc about doing it now rather than waiting. Injectables take a while to build up stable levels, and waiting will only prolong the process. I started on gels and switched, and would have preferred to just skip the gel altogether. I also want to clarify what you want to do with the dbol . You referred to using it as a "cruise" which would imply long term use. Dbol is liver toxic and is hence usually used for shorter time periods like 4-6 weeks. I don't think it would be a good idea to stay on it for an unspecified extended time frame.

**Machdiesel** · 08-30-2014, 06:33 PM

Kel what's your thoughts on the current PHs as orals for a trt "blast". msten and dzine come to mind as the most popular. They seem to work EXTRMELY well, don't Aromatize,and aren't dreadfully toxic

**lovbyts** · 09-01-2014, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Machdiesel

Kel what's your thoughts on the current PHs as orals for a trt "blast". msten and dzine come to mind as the most popular. They seem to work EXTRMELY well, don't Aromatize,and aren't dreadfully toxic

According to who, the website advertising? We have kids in the Q&A section most every day who are experiencing ED, gyno and other sides from all these new pro hormones. Probably more so than those using aas.

**kelkel** · 09-02-2014, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by Machdiesel

Kel what's your thoughts on the current PHs as orals for a trt "blast". msten and dzine come to mind as the most popular. They seem to work EXTRMELY well, don't Aromatize,and aren't dreadfully toxic

Mach I think Lovbyts summed it up quite accurately.

**O-town Beef** · 09-02-2014, 07:20 AM

thanks everyone. My dr insisted on the patch to start, but agreed that I can go onto injections after 4 months. he said he want he wanted tog get levels up into range and then see what dose was needed. My question re the dbol was if it was safe and/or usefull to use 10mg ED of dbol, since i am receiving Test. I want to gain muscle, at almost 47, i was unable to ever cycle before, and had to stop training for quite a few years up until 3 years ago. I kind of feel that I want to make up for lost time.

**kelkel** · 09-02-2014, 08:05 AM

Your doc makes no sense with "get test levels up then see what dose is needed" BS. Get dialed in on injections when the time comes. It's not always as easy as you may think. Then if you want to add to it simply run more test for a cycle. Read Austinites "Successful First Cycle" sticky in his Educational Articles Database in the AAS Q & A Forum.

In the meantime, you'll be amazed at the progress you can make with rejuvenated test levels in conjunction with sound nutrition and on-point training. Without the last two elements all the AAS in the world won't help.