kicking around the idea...

I have been on TRT for roughly 2 years and if you read my bio you will know my cycle history and vital stats. I was mulling around the idea of a blast using test cyp and masteron (prop/enth combo). I have been intrigued by this ED SQ shots with other trt'ers on the site and was thinking if it could be done the same way.

Front load both at 400mg each (400mg test and 400mg masteron ) then go into a more trt aggressive dose of 200mg each and administer a 28 mg shot of each ED. I would run that for 12-16 weeks. I have no estrogen issues but will have AI on hand and of course BW beginning, middle, and end. Currently I use 500 IU of HCG per week. If I broke that down to ED it would be 70 IU ED.

Long term goal is to harden and be very easy on this 50 year old body. Thoughts, suggestions?

For SQ, it's a good idea to keep injection load at 0.5cc or less.

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Originally Posted by OingoBoingo

For SQ, it's a good idea to keep injection load at 0.5cc or less.

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Yes. For us on TRT they are smaller doses. For larger doses you're going to have to go IM. I'll go further and say I wouldn't do anymore than .25 cc subq, unless you want to pin in two different places. My .02.

thanks. what are your thoughts on masteron sq?

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Originally Posted by Beethoven

Yes. For us on TRT they are smaller doses. For larger doses you're going to have to go IM. I'll go further and say I wouldn't do anymore than .25 cc subq, unless you want to pin in two different places. My .02.

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I've injected 0.3cc with no problems. I think with larger loads the trick is to inject slowly.

What is the appeal with doing it SubQ? Less pain, less holes/scars in muscle?

Lately I've been doing my IM test injections with a 28 gauge by .5" needle. Only because I ran out of my 25 gauge 1 inchers. And I've come to really like them. Absolutely no pain or discomfort and I can't imagine much scarring occuring either. Obviously, they wouldn't work for glute injections (unless your name is kelkel) but work everywhere else if your BF% is reasonable.

SQ is just as effective as IM, less pain, no holes/scars in muscle, and you don't have to aspirate. What's not to like?

You like the smaller needle now that you tried it. My needle is 30g, 5/16" and I use it for quads and glutes. It works a treat!

SubQ is not as effective for everyone. For some guys, yes. But there are plenty of guys reporting absorption issues and having to go back to IM. So in the case of the OP, why risk injecting additional compounds SubQ if you may not absorb it well?

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Originally Posted by BallSak

SubQ is not as effective for everyone. For some guys, yes. But there are plenty of guys reporting absorption issues and having to go back to IM. So in the case of the OP, why risk injecting additional compounds SubQ if you may not absorb it well?

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Bro lore.

Clinical studies show otherwise.

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Originally Posted by OingoBoingo

Bro lore.

Clinical studies show otherwise.

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Ok..

Actually, there are studies going on right now that are attempting to determine the difference , if any.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT02229617

Sorry about the study group, guys, but I wanted to post a reliable reference.

...and a link to older studies, some that seem to support the idea that the difference may be negligible.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?c...34&sciodt=0,34

I personally have and do both. SubQ, at least for me is a little easier. When I do multiple pins I do subQ as the syringes are smaller and accommodate smaller dosages. If I pin .5 cc or more I do IM. I personally haven't noticed that much of a difference with either.

I do both. I also load test and hcg in the same pin.

I've done .7cc of that combination sub q. Some areas lump some don't.

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Originally Posted by almostgone

Sorry about the study group, guys, but I wanted to post a reliable reference.

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We're not judging you. Seriously....

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Originally Posted by kelkel

We're not judging you. Seriously....

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:lol: Thanks, Kel!