TRT Cost Expections without insurance, is it reasonable?

Hopeing to discuss TRT with dr next week. Was hoping i might come atleast somewhat prepared.

Some History and other tid-bits on why I'm considering this:

I used to self-administer Tprop and numerous other substances on the darker side of things.
I'd like to do it again, this time under some supervision and less legal worry.
I dont give a hoot about libido, in fact i often wish i had none since it only causes trouble IMHO, im only interested in the physical structure improvement side of things as my reason for doing TRT.

If it cost too much i cant do it, fairly simple.
I'm not interested in TRT just to say im doing it, rather, i want physically visible results (with proper diet etc yada yada of course)

In other words, for example, I dont want to do this if dr only wants to do 50mg test every other week or something silly like that.
But nor do i want to come in every day for the jay cutler special with olympic quality monitoring either, dont have the time nor money, nor desire to be that massive for that matter.

Anyway, im going to shut up now and ask a few questions, and listen heartily to your suggestions experiences and advice.

I know there are thousands of variables, but in general, how much money are we talking about for a poor boy to do this? Or is this just a rich mans game who has alot of time and money?
Will dr also be able to provide PCT (or the TRT equivalent of such)?
Must i accept everything dr says as fact and not suggest my own thoughts?

Thanks

1. When you say you want to do it legally and under the supervision of a doctor, the first question to ask yourself is how literal are you being in your statement? If you read the boards, you'll find many who follow what's legal down to the letter and you'll find just as many who dance around it a bit and say they're following everything to the letter but that's not entirely true.

2. Going through a doctor or clinic in the U.S. will cost on average $2-$5k per year depending on who you go through. Dosing should not really affect the cost in any significant way and any doctor or clinic that charges you based on dose you should run from.

3. Time - you should expect to have a doctors visit on average two times per year and 2-4 blood test per year.

4. There is no such thing as PCT when it comes to TRT - there's no need for it.

5. You should always be able to talk to your doctor about what's on your mind, but if you're doing what some do, increasing doses on your own because you want to, you should not be surprised when the doctor drops you as a patient. A good example, doctor prescribes you 150mg per week but you decide to take 300mg per week. Your RX will run out in half the time. Some doctors might give a patient the benefit of doubt if this happens once early on, although running out in half the time is hard to call a mistake, a couple weeks, sure that's possible but not half the time - not legitimately. If the doctor does give you the benefit of doubt and you do it again, as said do not be surprised if the doctor drops you. Don't

Hope this helps.

1. i was being actually literal, i would not be supplying my own gear from black sources, nor stray from dr. dosing. Then again i wouod only begin if dosing suggestions sounded reasonable.

2. that sounds crazy expensive.

4. no pct, so this is like a ever ending "cycle", that sounds like testicular suicide? Will they not apply cycles as has been the hormone product norm in the black market?

It does help, Thanks!

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Originally Posted by BigMan65

1. i was being actually literal, i would not be supplying my own gear from black sources, nor stray from dr. dosing. Then again i wouod only begin if dosing suggestions sounded reasonable.

2. that sounds crazy expensive.

4. no pct, so this is like a ever ending "cycle", that sounds like testicular suicide? Will they not apply cycles as has been the hormone product norm in the black market?

It does help, Thanks!

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It is not a never ending cycle, not even close. Yes, it is for life. The dosage for trt is far less than any cycle, and as for testicular suicide, that is what hcg is for. Mind you if your condition is low t than this treatment is for life. What's costly is the blood work associated with getting dialed in. After that, the cost for meds even without insurance isn't bad.

just want to make sure i understand....are you saying that the doctor is going to want some kind of "life comitment"

and suppose i ever did want to stop (suppose for some unthinkable reason i just couldn't continue), would there be horrible physcial consequences?

Yes, and yes.

Trt is for life. And you have to actually have low testosterone to receive treatment.

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Originally Posted by BigMan65

1. i was being actually literal, i would not be supplying my own gear from black sources, nor stray from dr. dosing. Then again i wouod only begin if dosing suggestions sounded reasonable.

Reasonable is determined by blood work. He who does the most doesn't win with TRT.

2. that sounds crazy expensive.

Check LowTestosterone.com - $199 All-Included Testosterone Treatment

4. no pct, so this is like a ever ending "cycle", that sounds like testicular suicide? Will they not apply cycles as has been the hormone product norm in the black market

TRT is not even close to a cycle. It's a replacement dose for those who need it. If you don't need it, don't do it.

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in bold.

what did you mean by this? :

"He who does the most doesn't win with TRT."

trt is a battle between managing sides (long term) and reaching a "normal" test level. Some people use 80mg a Week, some require up to 200mg. Most are in the 100mg/wk range

He's saying that running higher (300, for example) is not sustainable for trt because of the sides. our bodies are designed to run at a certain level of hormones. If you're doubling that for long periods of time, your body will fight it.

The object of trt is to eliminate your low t symptoms with the lowest possible dose. Hence the term less is more with trt. Many have tried higher dosages hopi no to feel even better and find they sometimes feel worse. More dose will usually equal more sides.

screw it, i think i remember taking 150mg test prop EOD with short run of dbol..... and i wasnt impressed with gains then....

no way the dosages that you guys are referring to are going to do anything in the way of visual improvment.

Well, if you don't need or are not interested in TRT then by all means, don't do it. If you cycled prop and dbol and weren't impressed with the gains then your training and/or nutrition were lacking. There is no other answer other than bogus aas.

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Originally Posted by BigMan65

what did you mean by this? :

"He who does the most doesn't win with TRT."

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It means TRT is not a cycle and more is not better. Balance is key with TRT and is achieved via blood work and how you feel. It's not a long term cycle and should not be viewed as such.

Once dialed in I'm at about $1000 per year including 2 doctors visits 2 blood work via private labs, test cyp, and even hcg.

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Originally Posted by jasondd1

Once dialed in I'm at about $1000 per year including 2 doctors visits 2 blood work via private labs, test cyp, and even hcg.

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$1000 per year is fairly cheap, doable? Sure, if you're buying ancillaries from a research lab and HCG without an RX overseas, but none of that constitutes fully legal TRT.

OP, it sounds like you have some confusion between TRT and steroid use. No offense, but any doctor that values his license to practice would NOT treat you if you said the things you've said here.

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Originally Posted by BigMan65

screw it, i think i remember taking 150mg test prop EOD with short run of dbol..... and i wasnt impressed with gains then....

no way the dosages that you guys are referring to are going to do anything in the way of visual improvment.

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trt is not about visual gains. If that is where your mind is then you aren't in need of trt nor do you understand what trt is all about.

Thanks for helping to clear this matter up for me.

If you hadn't i am afraid i would have made a huge mistake.

Let us know what you end up doing BigMan.

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Originally Posted by Low Testosterone

$1000 per year is fairly cheap, doable? Sure, if you're buying ancillaries from a research lab and HCG without an RX overseas, but none of that constitutes fully legal TRT.

OP, it sounds like you have some confusion between TRT and steroid use. No offense, but any doctor that values his license to practice would NOT treat you if you said the things you've said here.

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There is some risk there sure. If I was starting new and you guys were close I would jump on your $199 a month deal. It's very fair, and comprehensive. Ive got to juggle a lot of balls that i would rather not be doing. I'm lucky I don't need a ai or other ancillaries. $199 is a bargain for most.

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Originally Posted by jasondd1

There is some risk there sure. If I was starting new and you guys were close I would jump on your $199 a month deal. It's very fair, and comprehensive. Ive got to juggle a lot of balls that i would rather not be doing. I'm lucky I don't need a ai or other ancillaries. $199 is a bargain for most.

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I second that . I used to pay $200 for hcg a while back. You get a Dr who knows what he's doing , blood work and the rest for $199 is worth it .