new to TRT and want to max my usage

[skinin_bonz]

Hey,
Tony here....43 yrs old. 6ft healthy other than 190lbs on a 145lb frame : (
Been skinny my whole life untill about late 30's and T started to drop.
Dr. Gave me script for test cyto 200mg, im .1 ml every other week for low T.
10 ml bottle w 1 refill. my mail order prescription plan requires a new prescription to be written every 6 months but my doctor said he has been on it for years and I would probably be on it the rest of my life.I had an accident on an atv before I ever got started on the shots.
Im healing up from a shoulder surgery( total ac seperation and collar bone displaced 3 in ). 4 pins and some strong thread has me all pulled in place.
6 mo till I can lift. but I'm walking 5 miles a day with my wife and trying to do cardio several times a week
I want to make good use of the T and decided to save it till im rehabed on the shoulder.
Can I /how would you I use it to drop some belly and gain some size and strength?
I'll be on this for life....so what dosage is safe for how long, before returning to percribed doseage?
If I only drop to 1ml everyother wk,do I post after using my stock pile in a 8 to 10 wk period?I love boobs....just dont want any of my own.
I dont expect a perfect plan,but some advise as to where an old fart can start would be great. It time to turn over a new leaf.

[kelkel]

First, welcome to the forum. Second, your doc doesn't understand the half life of hormones, which is about 5-7 days or so. He's dosing you on the terminal life of test. Shots need to be weekly at a minimum for best overall health. Consider injecting 100 mgs per week instead of your current protocol. You'll have more stable levels with less rise and fall. Even better would be 50 mgs twice per week.

When it comes to losing fat or gaining muscle, it's all about your nutrition and training. TRT is a great thing but does not do the work for you,it does give you the chance to optimize things though by having healthy test levels. When it comes to what is safe, less is more with TRT and only blood work can tell you what is and is not safe for you. In the Finding A Doc sticky thread at the top of this forum is a couple examples of BW to obtain if you can.

We're all with you on the boob thing. Main thing is to control your estrogen level via dosing titrations and / or aromatase inhibitors if necessary.

[skinin_bonz]

The article that let me to this site was just a google search 4 test cy. that's a taking the article made my medicine sound like a super powered booster if taken in higher doses. My test level was 209 at the time he prescribed it he said it should come pick up to a normal level of 5 to 600 with that does. If my level was up higher than that added to my workout,I was expecting some fairly significant gains. I am a small framed person always have been and probably always will be. I don't expect 18 inches of thickness through my chest or anything unreasonable for my genetic makeup. But I do want to be as strong and healthy and defined as I can be. does anyone have any experience cycling the 20ml 6 month supply in a much shorter period? Say....1/2 the time or less. this may be a new guy stupid question but if it is not safe that's why I'm here asking and if it is safe an effective I'd love to hear. I have several months before I can't even get into gym again so I wanted to do my research and learn now from other people that have been there

[jet dr]

I'm fairly new here but I have learned the hard way. If you abuse this meaning taking more than your supposed to you'll be in for a rude awaking. Yes, you'll get stronger and gain about 15lbs but then your estrogen level will also increase in just a short time. Then you'll be weaker than you were to start with. THEN, you'll have to wait to get your levels back to a healthy level. First read and educate yourself, read until you understand exactly what your up against and have a good plan. Get blood tested time to time. How do I know? My blood pressure went thru the roof. My blood was so thick, they almost wouldn't take it.
Less is more.

[Baxter35]

Welcome! Best advice I can give is that you need to separate trt from cycling in your mind. They can be combined down the one, but for now your focus needs to be on trt and getting your hormones straightened out. Trt is not just for muscle, if you are low T then getting on a good program can yield many benefits to your overall.health and well being. And, just getting back to normal T levels can help make noticeable improvements in muscle development. Get your low T straightened out and worry about adding to it with a cycle a year or two down the line at the earliest. Follow Kels advice for your dosing btw, not the every other week that the doc suggested.

[skinin_bonz]

Thanks for the advise. I want to do it right so it sounds like I have some homework to do. And if I need my horemones leved out...my 1st shot to take.

[kelkel]

Stick around skinin. Be sure to read the stickies and stick around! Know that with an optimized TRT protocol you can make fantastic gains as compared to abnormally low levels. Just give it time, couple it with sound nutrition and training and you'll see.

[skinin_bonz]

what I'm walking away from this first conversation is this.... take the six months off to heal properly and take injections at the level prescribed but take them half at a time once a week instead of one large one every other week and then get tested after I'm guessing 30 days and check my levels to see where they're at
once I find my injection amount for my ideal free test level then when I am able to start back in the gym I can start to see progress. after i see how well I'm gaining ground then weigh my options at a later date. my only reason for wanting to cycle test alone at a high level was this is the only time I will have a six month supply built up on hand from what I've read so far it takes quite a bit of test along with anything else you cycle and I'm not sure the prescription I was written will give me the amount I need but that's another bridge to cross another day. thanks for helping out an old guy trying to get a new lease on life.

[Simon1972]

do not cycle-

1.get on the test as prescribed by Kel following the 2x a week protocol.
reason; it will limit the estrogen conversion- thereby maximising your testosterone levels .

2 forget cycling - this wont be n option for at least 1-2 years- wait until you have found your perfect trt dose- there will be alot of bloodwork and re-evaluation of dose until you find your sweet spot.

once you find your optimal levels you cn try cycling- and default back to base level - without the optimal dose figured out you will just ride a rollercoster for years and no doubt get your dr suspicious and possibly run the risk of losing treatment due to perceived buse.

play it smart- get your health optimised first.

this is what ive done- im 10 months on trt

[skinin_bonz]

Simon,
what do people consider their optimum level? is there a number that everyone shoots for or is it more how high can you get without goofing up and the rest of your body?
I'm going to call my doctors office to set an appointment do you think 4 weeks on the shots is enough time? Sooner or later well how do you feel about? and what all do you have them test just a t check, for a total blood work? the last one I had said everything was good except my T was low and my b12 was low. before he prescribed the T he checked my prostate which I don't remember the name of the test PSA I believe... don't quote me, it was right in the middle of the normal range should it be checked also?.thanks everyone for the responses and I'm taking the advice

[Simon1972]

optimal is what you feel best on.- it ussually ends up in the high side- but the higher you go- the more conversion to E occurs so you need to adjust your dose to get your E in the "safe"zone.. you may not need an AI but that depends on your conversion rate, x2 pins/week ussually helps maximise T and keeps E lower.

if you are like me- a small dose of aromasin might be on the cards.

i aim for upper quarter of the range for test and free test- lower quarter for E.


yes i would get everything checked- psa, test/free shbg , E HDL/LDL triglicerides, everything.

you want to see how the trt is effecting your levels and react.

[skinin_bonz]

Simon,
if at some point I need an AI, is there a high powered supplement that everyone buys or one of the countless things you can find at a GNC or off of ebay or some other buying website? When I was told I would be on TRT for life the first thing I thought of was gynecomastia . I got scared and bought one from ebay that said it was a strong a blocker and people also used it during their post cycle time. the product is called eradicatemade by Blackstone labs.I'm trying to figure out how to put a picture of their nutritional information posted on the bottle. I'm kind of single you out to ask questions too even though I've gotten good advice from several people but let's be honest my son is a Deadpool freak she's 13 and as nerdy as they come and that's his favorite character so when I saw your picture I thought here's a guy I can relate to we seem to be similar in age.when I have my levels checked if my eye is higher than I care for I want to start immediately on the eradicate if it is a quality product if it is not I will put it in the garbage where it belongs I just don't know the difference at this point of where to get quality products and where I'm going to get my money taken from me. you have any advice I still listening

[skinin_bonz]

eradicate from blackstone
Androsta 3,5 - deine 7,17-dione 25mg
N Acetyl L cysteine250mg

Cholorphytum Borivallnum (75%extract) 250mg

[Simon1972]

In my experience, if its illegal or needs a prescription, it works.
BUT.......I have no experience with that product but would rely solely on your drs prescription only. Your Dr won't support an illegal activity, so don't pursue it, even if it works.
Basic answer, if your e is high, ask for aromasin ,work with your dr.

BUT...it sounds like you are jumping the gun here, get your test levels sorted- it will be months before you even need to consider An AI- you need to see what the TEST dosage does to your levels first-

be constant, get bloodwork , then adjust.

dont get carried away

baby steps mate..

[Baxter35]

I know you asked Simon, but hope this helps. The product you have isn't what you need. You need a dedicated aromatase inhibitor, which is most commonly either aromasin or arimidex . Arimidex is often prescribed by trt docs, so that may be easiest to start by discussing with your Dr. Both of those AI's are also readily available as "research chemicals" online. If you decide to go that route, I can recommend something via pm when you have enough posts to pm. No matter what, remember to check blood work and listen to your body. No need to start dosing an AI unless blood results dictate it. Contrary to the broscience you will hear everywhere, gyno doesn't just pop up overnight. It typically takes highly elevated estrogen levels for extended periods of time before gyno becomes a concern. Itchy/sensitive nipples is not gyno, no matter what you read.

[skinin_bonz]

Thanks guys....I was expecting alot of"go away newb" responces. Yall been great. educational.