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    Been on TRT for a couple of years. Was getting 400ml every 2 weeks. Due to my insurance not covering the visits anymore I do it myself. I get prescription type gear. Now I do 200ml a week. More consistent. Now recently I'm not feeling the way I'm used to. My drive just isn't there anymore in all aspects. I'm 41 yrs old. At the time my test levels were just over 200. Started with gel then went to injections. Maybe I should stop all together with some clomid. Advise much appreciated. Thanks in advance

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    200 a week is a lot of test, do you have any blood work? That's on the high end range of trt, what do u mean by pharma type stuff is it pharma or ugl?

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    Sorry pharmaceutical and 200ml or 1cc

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    400 mgs EOW is ridiculous and based on the terminal life of test, not it's half-life which is 5-7 days metabolism dependent. 200 mgs per week is better but still probably too much as BD referenced above. Very few guys actually need that much. At your prior two dosages and without the use of an AI it could easily raise your E2 through the roof, resulting in feeling how you now do. It will also effect your hematocrit level resulting in blood getting thick, again giving multiple side effects.

    Take a few minutes and research the effects of elevated estrogen and polycythemia. Also, if you have current blood work, post it. What I mentioned above are pretty common issues but without seeing BW we're really throwing darts.
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    Didn't think I needed Al doing 1cc a week. As that's just maintaining a descent range of test. I drop blood every 54 -56 days to prevent a high RBC. Going for BW next week.

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    See how you feel after you give blood, but without tested E, you can't say if you need an ai or not. At 200mg a week single pin, I'm guessing you need an ai.
    Split and drop your doses to 150 mg a week, (75 mg twice a week.) this will drop test conversion on its own and may help at increasing test levels and alleviate the need for an ai. But bloods tell the story. Its guesswork otherwise.

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    More is not always better. You really need to have BW done so you know exactly where you are. Otherwise it's a crap shoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vdiesel View Post
    Didn't think I needed Al doing 1cc a week. As that's just maintaining a descent range of test. I drop blood every 54 -56 days to prevent a high RBC. Going for BW next week.
    BW is the only way to gauge your E2. Most will need an AI at 200 mgs per week. When it comes to blood donations be careful doing so simply as a matter of course. Many guys drive themselves into anemia this way. The majority of guys on TRT really do not need to donate like clockwork. If so, odds are that their test dose may be too high. It's about balance, not constantly mitigating issues.
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    Appreciate all advise. For now I'm going off TRT and have BW done. I want my production to start producing naturally again then reevaluate. Thanks.

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    [QUOTE="vdiesel"]Appreciate all advise. For now I'm going off TRT and have BW done. I want my body to start producing naturally again then reevaluate. Thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vdiesel View Post
    Appreciate all advise. For now I'm going off TRT and have BW done. I want my production to start producing naturally again then reevaluate. Thanks.
    I'd strongly suggest you run a pct if you plan on doing this. It will give you your best chance of restarting your HPTA.
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    I have some letrozole . Will that do?

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    No, Letro is an AI and will do nothing to help restart your HPTA. You need SERMS for this which will help stimulate pituitary function. Caveat is after being on TRT for a few years it may be very difficult to restart and/or achieve acceptable endogenous levels. Use the search function here and read some of the threads on PCT. You'll basically need the same type pct as someone coming off a cycle would.
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    I'm going to a hormone specialist next week rather than my primary doctor to seek his opinion. In the meantime my last shot was 1cc a week today. Do you recommend I continue or have my test drop more so if he decides to draw blood my levels would be lower. And maybe have a better idea of what treatment I need

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