New to trt and Prescribed reandron. Any advice?

**newtotrt** · 12-17-2015, 12:12 PM

Hi,

I have an ongoing but recently properly diagnosed issue... Actually last october after years of feeling like absolute crap and trying to treat all my symptoms (depression, lethargy, aches and pains, anxiety, libido to name a few) I asked my GP to test my testosterone levels and they came back at 9... a low average apparently and my Dr left it at that. A year later I asked for the same test and it came in at 7.7 so I was retested and my results came in a week later at 14.

I was then referred to an endocrinologist who looked at my results and said that the 14 must be some calculation mistake in the lab. He told me to stop taking any pre gym supplements, wait 1 week and get retested twice.My next appointment with him isnt for another 10 weeks so he has given me a private script to start Reandron 1000 the day I get my second blood test.

Due to the new PBS rules here in AUS we have to have 2 tests below 6 to qualify otherwise we have to pay for private scripts... either way I don't care, I am just glad someone finally understands how bad my life is with this low T.

Im 32 and fit and healthy. Dont drink, smoke or do any recreational party favourites. I eat healthy and exercise 6 days a week. I just cant shift my gut and have no interest in hanky panky at all. It is ruining my life. I am ready for bed each day by 4 pm.

Anyone with similar experiences / advice?

**Simon1972** · 12-17-2015, 01:46 PM

Also in aus here. Yes you are correct about the consecutive low results, I didn't get as low so ended up on injectable test bi weekly a year ago. Its not covered by the pbs, but at $40 a month, its cheap.
I would start on that rather than reandron, as you can adjust with every dose, but if that's what your Dr feels happy to prescribe, go for it. You are lucky to find someone to even treat you in australia.

Once you start you can always change method into the future.

All you can do it go along with your Dr for now, at this early stage I wouldn't rock the boat.

What supplement are you taking BTW?

Any chance you could post up your blood work? Hoping you were tested for thyroid function as that could cause your symptoms too.

**newtotrt** · 12-17-2015, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Simon1972

Also in aus here. Yes you are correct about the consecutive low results, I didn't get as low so ended up on injectable test bi weekly a year ago. Its not covered by the pbs, but at $40 a month, its cheap.
I would start on that rather than reandron, as you can adjust with every dose, but if that's what your Dr feels happy to prescribe, go for it. You are lucky to find someone to even treat you in australia.

Once you start you can always change method into the future.

All you can do it go along with your Dr for now, at this early stage I wouldn't rock the boat.

What supplement are you taking BTW?

Any chance you could post up your blood work? Hoping you were tested for thyroid function as that could cause your symptoms too.

Thanks for your response.

It has been years of back and forth with doctors, I don't understand why its so difficult when the symptoms are legit and obvious.

I don't even care if I don't qualify for PBS as I can afford my private scripts, I just want to be treated.

I have this stupid anxiety now that because I have found someone to help my next tests are going to show I have normal results and i'll be left in the dark to fend for myself. I know its a stupid fear and he wouldn't have prescribed me Reandron if he didn't think I was a candidate.

I just want to make sure my next results are as low as possible so I stop getting f'd around. Would no sleep help?

In terms of my supplements its just a creatine and a prework out sup (cant remember the name).... he doesn't think it would really have any effect but suggested I stop just in case. He believes that the lab screwed up my results because the percentage is so low and it was basically double my previous result... he thinks they may have screwed with the decimal points.

He was very sympathetic toward me and I really think he is going to help turn my life around.

I don't have my blood work to post but I can certainly get it next time I go to my GP which will be when I get my first Reandron injection.

I was tested for thyroid as it runs in my family but it came back clear, I was also tested for other autoimmune diseases as I was getting what we thought was rheumatoid arthritis in my knees but they came back inconclusive too.

My endo had lots to say and I wish I had taped the conversation because it was hard to take it all in (also I have trouble retaining information and concentrating atm)... He also mentioned he could give me something else to help shift the body fat I have accumulated.... any idea what it might be?

**kelkel** · 12-17-2015, 03:25 PM

Good advice from Simon. So, did they determine the root cause or is it idiopathic? Thyroid can be a major culprit when it comes to low T as can cortisol, prolactin and even pathologies. I'd be very curious about your LH & FSH levels as these will indicate whether the issue is primary or secondary related.

When it comes to body fat I'd opt out of meds for it. Simply restoring your T levels to optimal will make a world of difference when combined with sound nutrition and some exercise.

**newtotrt** · 12-17-2015, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Good advice from Simon. So, did they determine the root cause or is it idiopathic? Thyroid can be a major culprit when it comes to low T as can cortisol, prolactin and even pathologies. I'd be very curious about your LH & FSH levels as these will indicate whether the issue is primary or secondary related.

When it comes to body fat I'd opt out of for it. Simply restoring your T levels to optimal will make a world of difference when combined with sound nutrition and some exercise.

I still need to get an MRI and an ultra sound on my testes which will get scheduled after my next endo appointment once he has my new blood results.

He didn't want me to go on for too long with the way I was feeling which is why he gave me the script for reandron.

I have a new PT and my nutrition has always been very good so I hope with my trt I will start seeing better results, the problem is atm I have virtually no strength and no stamina.

In terms of libido... my lack thereof is causing major issues with my relationship... I really hope this helps promptly.

I am getting my first blood test done Christmas eve and my second on the 28th of December which is the same day I will get my first reandron. I'm assuming since he has already written me a script that it shouldn't be an issue continuing it regardless of my next blood results as my symptoms are so bad and my other results were so low. He said to have my second reandron after 5 weeks and then to get my bloods taken a couple of days before my appointment in late feb.

**newtotrt** · 12-17-2015, 04:01 PM

Also, he checked my chest and thought I may have mild gyno due to low testosterone ...

I hope the Reandron helps because I find my chest excruciatingly embarrassing. Its quite distressing.

**kelkel** · 12-17-2015, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by newtotrt

I still need to get an MRI and an ultra sound on my testes which will get scheduled after my next endo appointment once he has my new blood results.

Well, hopefully they're on top of things and know what panels to pull. Many just don't understand hormones that well. When it comes to the MRI and Ultrasound you really should not need both. All your doc needs to do is look at your LH & FSH levels. If abnormally low then you'd need the MRI to check for pituitary issues. If abnormally elevated then you'd need the testicular ultrasound.

Basically if LH is low your testies are not being signalled to produce testosterone in sufficient amounts. If your LH is high and T is still low then your testicals are not responding accordingly and your pituitary is over producing in effort to achieve results.

**newtotrt** · 12-17-2015, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Well, hopefully they're on top of things and know what panels to pull. Many just don't understand hormones that well. When it comes to the MRI and Ultrasound you really should not need both. All your doc needs to do is look at your LH & FSH levels. If abnormally low then you'd need the MRI to check for pituitary issues. If abnormally elevated then you'd need the testicular ultrasound.

Basically if LH is low your testies are not being signalled to produce testosterone in sufficient amounts. If your LH is high and T is still low then your testicals are not responding accordingly and your pituitary is over producing in effort to achieve results.

Hey,

Thanks for your reply again.

I have the paper work for the ultrasound already... I guess if that is inconclusive then he might do the MRI. Like I mentioned, there was so much information given I am having trouble remembering... though my memory is bad at the best of times and has been for a while.

**newtotrt** · 12-17-2015, 07:12 PM

I forgot to mention also... my Endo did say that he has treated many men with this type of issue and that he has seen amazing results where people have been able to turn their whole lives around, so I'm confident he knows what he is doing.

**DanMan250** · 12-18-2015, 12:49 AM

It sounds like your endo has the initials DL, right?

**newtotrt** · 12-18-2015, 02:12 AM

No... Def not DL... Is that who you see?

**newtotrt** · 12-18-2015, 02:24 AM

Or did that just completely go over my head?

**DanMan250** · 12-18-2015, 07:44 PM

Haha D does not stand for dick, at least I don't think it does

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Are you in Melbourne?

**yettibecsuse** · 12-19-2015, 03:57 AM

It will make you feel so much better it did for me actually made me less iritable and overall better wellbeing as well as the health benefits

**newtotrt** · 12-21-2015, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by yettibecsuse

It will make you feel so much better it did for me actually made me less iritable and overall better wellbeing as well as the health benefits

I REALLY hope so... I've felt poorly for far too many years

**newtotrt** · 12-21-2015, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by DanMan250

Haha D does not stand for dick, at least I don't think it does

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Are you in Melbourne?

Yeah mate, in Melb here

**edmondle** · 12-26-2015, 05:58 AM

Yea it's so funny how most GP won't even talk about testosterone , some doctors refuse to let patients get t level checked, I've spend nearly a year to find a doctor who welling to help and find out why my t is low

Doctors in Australian are not as good as the doctors in the U.S when it comes to hormone I reckon

**< <Samson> >** · 12-26-2015, 09:59 AM

Shit, I'm in the US. The first time I had my T Levels pulled I was right over 25 & had damn near no sex drive.

Got my levels pulled - came back with about 350 total & I can not for the life of me recall the free.

According to my MD I was just fine.

About five years later I got into juice. After coming off my first cycle, I had to bitch & moan to get my levels pulled again.

Only good thing here in the US is that you can get independent lab work done on your own.

The MD's can give a shit less about how you really feel. Well, unless you are private pay & have a personal MD.

**bigdil511** · 12-26-2015, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

Shit, I'm in the US. The first time I had my T Levels pulled I was right over 25 & had damn near no sex drive. Got my levels pulled - came back with about 350 total & I can not for the life of me recall the free. According to my MD I was just fine. About five years later I got into juice. After coming off my first cycle, I had to bitch & moan to get my levels pulled again. Only good thing here in the US is that you can get independent lab work done on your own. The MD's can give a shit less about how you really feel. Well, unless you are private pay & have a personal MD.

Not everywhere in US, I live in NY and you can not get bloods pulled without a doctor.

**Simon1972** · 12-26-2015, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by bigdil511

Not everywhere in US, I live in NY and you can not get bloods pulled without a doctor.

This is correct, website states:

, due to state laws we cannot provide services to residents of the states of NY, NJ, RI, MA or MD. The staff members at the Patient Service Centers are required to ask for ID. If you have recently moved from one of the states that we cannot provide services, please be sure you have proof of residence for the current state in which you reside.

**newtotrt** · 12-27-2015, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by edmondle

Yea it's so funny how most GP won't even talk about testosterone , some doctors refuse to let patients get t level checked, I've spend nearly a year to find a doctor who welling to help and find out why my t is low

Doctors in Australian are not as good as the doctors in the U.S when it comes to hormone I reckon

Well I am hoping that now i have my script to start reandron I wont have much of an issue with GP moving forward.

**< <Samson> >** · 12-27-2015, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by bigdil511

Not everywhere in US, I live in NY and you can not get bloods pulled without a doctor.

True true

So easy to forget, us on the west coast have quite dif laws with so much shit.

Shit, there's a AnyLabTest right across the street from our gym.

**Bio-Active** · 12-27-2015, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

True true So easy to forget, us on the west coast have quite dif laws with so much shit. Shit, there's a AnyLabTest right across the street from our gym.

anylab test now is as good as it gets

**< <Samson> >** · 12-27-2015, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Bio-Active

anylab test now is as good as it gets

Just pricey

And they still send it to Quest labs

**kelkel** · 12-27-2015, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

there's a AnyLabTest right across the street from our gym.

There's an example of product placement....

**newtotrt** · 12-28-2015, 02:24 PM

Todays the day... get my second blood test and my first reandron. wish me luck. hehe

**newtotrt** · 03-01-2016, 09:27 PM

So I have the go ahead to stay on reandron. Getting third injection end of the month.

I have noticed some positive side effects but could do without the chest acne. Hoping that doesn't last long.

For reandron users I ask how long it took for you to feel consistently better?

**Back In Black** · 03-02-2016, 02:03 AM

After the 4th injection I think, so about 7-8 months to be consistent.

1st injection
2nd injection 6 weeks after first
3rd injection 12 weeks after 2nd
4th injection 12 weeks after 3rd

I'm on 11 week intervals now.

**kelkel** · 03-02-2016, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

After the 4th injection I think, so about 7-8 months to be consistent.

1st injection
2nd injection 6 weeks after first
3rd injection 12 weeks after 2nd
4th injection 12 weeks after 3rd

I'm on 11 week intervals now.

BIB how are your levels just prior to injection?

**Back In Black** · 03-02-2016, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

BIB how are your levels just prior to injection?

In the middle lower 3rd TBH but not at the bottom of the range. I notice a slight drop off at about 10 weeks but my next bloodwork is October so I'll see how it is then. I don't want my levels to be too high after injection so might not shorten the timings.