How low can I go..

**macmathews** · 08-16-2016, 07:33 AM

I know the topic is a little unclear..
For those who either prescribe or have seen protocols

What is the lowest amount of injected T that you have seen work weekly.

I'm thinking of starting on a really LOW dose since I experience alot of sides.

Kyle

**hammerheart** · 08-16-2016, 07:35 AM

Ever thought of HCG only protocol?

**InternalFire** · 08-16-2016, 07:43 AM

Are you already in on TRT? If so how long? Otherwise its real personal preference and over to trial and error only tou could know without doing necessary blood tests to figure out how little of test is enough to keep you around mid range normal T levels . I have read where people do ok on ~60-75mg a week , and talking about the sides, what are those exactly? Are they mostly E2 related?

If youve havent started yet, as bizzaro said hcg only is smart choice

**macmathews** · 08-16-2016, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by bizzarro

Ever thought of HCG only protocol?

Sort of..
I did do a clomid only protocol for several months..
My total T number got to about 650 on a small dose of 25mg EOD..
But the clomid raised my SHBG so my free T was still under mid range.

**macmathews** · 08-16-2016, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by InsaneMuscle

Are you already in on TRT? If so how long? Otherwise its real personal preference and over to trial and error only tou could know without doing necessary blood tests to figure out how little of test is enough to keep you around mid range normal T levels . I have read where people do ok on ~60-75mg a week , and talking about the sides, what are those exactly? Are they mostly E2 related?

If youve havent started yet, as bizzaro said hcg only is smart choice

I did TRT for about a year.. bailed because my doc was old and uneducated ( I was afraid of getting cut off )
I tried to start again on my own about 1 year later and felt awful and bailed about 6 weeks in. Brain fog , lethargy, depression, hot flashes, increased sweating. ( that was on 120mg/week)
This time I have found a good clinic and have an appointment is Oct.. While I don't know where my bloodwork stands right now.. I am certain I will be a candidate.

As far as what caused the sides, I am not certain. But if I decide to commit.. Starting in the fall/winter would be better for me since its not so hot..

**macmathews** · 08-16-2016, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by bizzarro

Ever thought of HCG only protocol?

What is the typical dosage of HCG only ?

I have read alot about E2 control issues with HCG only

**testytim** · 08-17-2016, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by macmathews

What is the typical dosage of HCG only ?

I have read alot about E2 control issues with HCG only

As we speak i am on 45mgs e4d i have been high been low..i really dont feel any different high or low ....I have the issue of converting rbc to fast my counts go of the charts..I get edema and my e2 gos up into the 90s.I have been on trt for about 10years.Ive done patchs creams injections..For me honestly i wish i could take the day back i went on..Its really to much work and i got nothing out of it.....IMO..

**macmathews** · 08-17-2016, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by testytim

As we speak i am on 45mgs e4d i have been high been low..i really dont feel any different high or low ....I have the issue of converting rbc to fast my counts go of the charts..I get edema and my e2 gos up into the 90s.I have been on trt for about 10years.Ive done patchs creams injections..For me honestly i wish i could take the day back i went on..Its really to much work and i got nothing out of it.....IMO..

No athletic benefit , not libido rise , endurance , strength ?
You get none of those..

I get all of those , but it affects my mood.
What is really pushing me to look closely at going on would be the health benefits..

Muscle and bone mass, energy to stay fit, cardiovascular, I am sure there are many more I don't know about

Mac