Blast and Cruise Methods

[Magnum II]

I am currently on TRT (200 mg. of Test Cyp every two weeks--revising to 100 mg per week). Have just completed a full BW panel which indicated Total Testosterone @ 215 ng/dl (below range) and Free Testosterone @ 5.59 ng/dl (within range but low). I am planning to begin running two cycles per year using 500 mg. of Test/Wk for 10 weeks each--I will run Proviron during the cycles. I am thinking about continuing TRT between cycles without introducing PCT. I recognize that I will likely be shut down as a result of continuous use of Test but, I'm planning on staying on TRT on a permanent basis.

I am wondering what others who run Blast and Cruise are doing. Are others running Nolva/Clomid intermittently. If so, what protocol are you using? Any other thoughts are welcome.

[InternalFire]

Wsup,

Its simple, once you get your TRT set right and dialled in, when you know at what dosages you feel optimal and have your E2 management under full control (if any is needed) then you may add extra test a week on top of your TRT dosage for ~6-12 weeks depends on user preference, have AI on hand as greater dosages will yield E2 spike and you should do your bloods when on "BLAST" few weeks in cycle to see how your E2 is doing and what AI dosage would be required at the time. Once your BLAST is over you simply return to your normal TRT protocol and continue on as usual. No clomid or Nolva is required because you're on TRT. however, if you would be running HCG along your TRT you need to constantly check for E2 and have AI dialled in for this reason

[Simon1972]

agreed with insane, ive recently thought of this myself- had an idea..persist with me on this.

blast for two weeks, take one week off- allow for your receptors to come back and blast again for a further two weeks- again with a 1 week break between blasts.

ive heard of guys hitting the 10 week mark and hitting a plateau and my hypothesis is that the receptors reach saturation levels and simply dont progress any further.

of course during the 1 week layoff you still persist with training and maintain the lower trt dose.



just an idea.. thoughts guys?

[Chicagotarsier]

OP:

Unless there is a reason you have not revealed I would inject Monday and Thursdays 50mg per dose. Do this for a few months before altering your routine so you can get your AI dialed in properly for HrT level dose. The body produces about 70mg per week testosterone when functioning properly so you should be on the high side of the normal scale. Right now you are getting a spike for 4 days and the rest of the two weeks is valley. Going weekly is better but twice a week is best.

OP: You are shut down on HrT. Right now FSH and LH are low out of range and you are not producing sperm "as before". Moving up to whatever level test does not matter...you are already shut down.

OP: HrT is not cruise. Cruise is to take enough "substance" to not lose muscle mass over your genetic potential. I was once told by Austinite that 350mg per week testosterone is the dose to run for this. I doubt if you have not cycled before you are no where near your genetic threshold so no reason to do this at this time.

OP: Your first cycle should be 500 testosterone as stated but without anything else. This first cycle is to get you dialed in on your AI for that level of substance. You ALWAYS need to know your AI quantity for HrT and for a 500 dose of test. You will use that knowledge over and over and over again on your journey.

OP: HrT patients do not PCT.

Pearls of wisdom.....

1. Get your AI set on HrT
2. Get your AI set on 500 test
3. Do not think about changing the plan till your third cycle. You will be glad you learned your AI dosage.
4. Making modifications to the traditional cycle require a high level of knowledge concerning bloodwork and AI.
5. Needing more substance than 500 mg test per week requires a diet and workout program that is hardcore.

Finally:

6. Until you have been on HrT for 2-years/assuming you are a legit HrT patient/cycle results are not going to be as strong till after you reach the two year point. Your body has to turn back on fully to get max results from a cycle. I DID NOT say negative on the cycle...just do not be surprised when your first cycle after two years is better than all your cycles before that put together.

7. Try the tried and true path before blazing trails of your own design.

Good luck on your progress!!

[kelkel]

-I will run Proviron during the cycles.

Why?

[Magnum II]

I have always shown high levels of SHBG when running Test-only cycles in the past. Proviron has helped to lower those levels while increasing amount of free test available. Also, for the most part, I haven't needed to rely heavily on AIs when running 500 mg of Test alone. I have some left from past cycles--thinking it might be useful again. Since I have it on hand already, thought it couldn't hurt.

[ScotchGuard02]

I'm on 150mg/wk TRT. I run my cycles just like anyone else, nothing special. 500mg/wk Test Cyp, adex .25mg/eod, for 12 weeks. When the cycle is over I just go back to my TRT dosage. I feel fine and I get good results. I didn't know that cycling on TRT was more complex.

[kelkel]

I have always shown high levels of SHBG when running Test-only cycles in the past. Proviron has helped to lower those levels while increasing amount of free test available. Also, for the most part, I haven't needed to rely heavily on AIs when running 500 mg of Test alone. I have some left from past cycles--thinking it might be useful again. Since I have it on hand already, thought it couldn't hurt.

Quite odd actually as the quickest way to reduce shbg is to add testosterone. Proviron will never hurt but you should not depend on it in place of an AI. Ever.

[NACH3]

agreed with insane, ive recently thought of this myself- had an idea..persist with me on this.

blast for two weeks, take one week off- allow for your receptors to come back and blast again for a further two weeks- again with a 1 week break between blasts.

ive heard of guys hitting the 10 week mark and hitting a plateau and my hypothesis is that the receptors reach saturation levels and simply dont progress any further.

of course during the 1 week layoff you still persist with training and maintain the lower trt dose.



just an idea.. thoughts guys?

I think you won't get anywhere doing it this way, Simon... Just mho -

Our Receptors up-regulate not needing a break every 2 wks - furthermore you'd probly just be going in circles - at least in a SBC(short burst cycle) your running it anywhere from 4-6wks leaving it open ended until growth stops of slows or sides creep... Make sense?! Whatcha think

[InternalFire]

I was to second simons post bit with addition that its the test prop should be ran as such short term blasts in addition to strict carb cycling to maximize gains

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[Simon1972]

I think you won't get anywhere doing it this way, Simon... Just mho -

Our Receptors up-regulate not needing a break every 2 wks - furthermore you'd probly just be going in circles - at least in a SBC(short burst cycle) your running it anywhere from 4-6wks leaving it open ended until growth stops of slows or sides creep... Make sense?! Whatcha think

I read Ben Johnson did 3 weeks on, 3 off. Supposedly allows body to recover from increased Ldl levels and other side effects...common in the Canadian track team. . the theory is that the off cycle time solidifying gains, allowing your body to reset its plateau or resting point, and adding more during the following two weeks. Again solidifying the gains before adding more mass.

Sure takes longer, but to my mind just makes sense...I might add I haven't done it yet, but interesting theory.

[hammerheart]

I have always shown high levels of SHBG when running Test-only cycles in the past. Proviron has helped to lower those levels while increasing amount of free test available. Also, for the most part, I haven't needed to rely heavily on AIs when running 500 mg of Test alone. I have some left from past cycles--thinking it might be useful again. Since I have it on hand already, thought it couldn't hurt.

Dosage? How much do you manage to reduce SHBG with provi?

[Magnum II]

Values typically range from 70 - 80 nmol/L w/o Proviron. 100 mg per day of Proviron usually improves values to 40 - 50 nmol/L--still not low but, within normal range. I have always had a history of high SHBG levels. I'm a diabetic (Type II) but, MDs, including present Endo, have never been able to adequately explain the cause. Proviron was my idea, not prescribed by Endo.

Aside from SHBG control and improved Free Test levels, Proviron seems to minimize aromatization problems. I have used AIs but in lower quantities than many others running moderate Test-only cycles. Also love the positive effect on libido...pole vaulting all over the place while using this med.

[kelkel]

Have you ever looked into Danazol or considered experimenting with Stinging Nettle or Avenacosides?

[Magnum II]

Don't know much about Danazol and nothing about Avenacosides--will research.
Thx.

Have tried Nettle in the past without any appreciable result. Don't remember what amount I was using though.