Life expectancy

[devildog1967]

Hi all ! The research says having TRT shortens your life , Surly that cant be right? as it has bucket loads of health benefits . Whats all the long term users opinion ?

[JD250]

Ask me in 50 years. Actually, the diseases caused by low T will shorten your life even more so Im staying on TRT.

[HRTstudent]

Would like to see the studies you are talking about.

But the flip side is.... probably living with low T, which may be worse than shorter lifespan.

[J DIESEL3]

I agree JD with u Big time.If I would have stayed feeling like I was before trt physically and mentally I don't think I would have made it even 10 more years!!TRT has dropped my bp and has helped my sleep just to name a couple of things.Just those 2 things make a world of difference in ones health!

[Times Roman]

Hi all ! The research says having TRT shortens your life , Surly that cant be right? as it has bucket loads of health benefits . Whats all the long term users opinion ?

Really? you got a link to back that up? I'd be interested in seeing it.

btw... as a life extender, one of the basic principles is to make sure your hormone leves are optimized. this includes test/hgh

I can back up my position to a variety of links if you are interested in doing so?

[zaggahamma]

if you look thoroughly theres usually "research" more like articles that talk bad about everything...

ever really experience the horrible heart destroying saturated fat(s)

[bass]

done allot of research before i got on TRT, i got on TRT when i read tons of studies of how I could die sooner due to low T. i can almost guarantee you, my chances are better of living longer being on TRT than not. the only thing i might worry about is is i had/have an existing cancer which i don't know about and TRT might make it worse, but other than that i have no worries!

[devildog1967]

Sorry i will correct myself !! There are no medical studies that i can find, only articles saying that it can shorten life. Plus now there saying that HRT for woman is safe now even tho for years they have been saying its bad. No wonder everyone is confused on this planet .

[Times Roman]

Sorry i will correct myself !! There are no medical studies that i can find, only articles saying that it can shorten life. Plus now there saying that HRT for woman is safe now even tho for years they have been saying its bad. No wonder everyone is confused on this planet .

actually, it isn't as confusing as you think. ALWAYS ask for clinical data and a link to it. Quite often, it's just simply an "opinion" as stated in an article similar to yours. My doc (when i first went on trt) is worried about the risk for prostate cancer, but when i asked him for some clinical data to support that concern, he got a little defensive, and said to believe him, he's "telling the truth". But no clinical data. this is the same doctor that got upset when I suggested we go from 200mg test cyp / eow to 100mg ew. in fact, there are studies/clinical data that say contrary, that optimal test levels reduce the risk for prostate cancer. there are plenty of studies, (they're quite vanilla now if you ask me) that support the position that optimal hormone levels will not only extend the number of years you enjoy quality of life, but it may extend your overall life as well.

Good question mate, and now you know to be a little more skeptical of these so called "opinion" articles. quite often they are written for purposes other than factual representation of the current facts, and instead, for the promotion of a certain agenda.

---Roman

[Gym_]

So this guy goes to the Doctor and says... Just wondering what my life expectancy is ?

Doc: Do you Drink ?
Guy: Nope
Doc: Do you smoke
Guy: Nope
Doc: Do you play any sports
Guy: mmmm No
Doc: Do you do any thing dangerous like skydiving or bungee jumping
Guy: arrr no .. no i don't
Doc: Do you sleep around with lots of women ?
Guy: No .. Not at all
Doc: do you have lots of money
Guy: No ..

Doc: THEN WHY THE FUK WOULD YOU CARE !!!!!

[--->>405<<---]

^^LOL..

what do yall think about the op statement or question from the perspective of TRT life expectancy in comparison to someone with healthy/optimal endogenous test levels that doesnt need TRT? could it be possible thats the perspective the argument is coming from?

and i realize there are thousands of other variables that affect ur lifespan but speaking purely theoretically assuming all other factors are equal..

[Times Roman]

^^ no one has "optimal" levels at 50... all levels degrade with time. this has been "proven" with thousands of observations. it is so consistant, a doctor can predict your test levels with a certain degree of accuracy, by knowing your age and looking at you. what i mean by that, as a % of your optimal level when you were 21

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gotcha

[DeniZen]

I'm 55 years old and they're gonna have to pry the syringe from my cold dead fingers when I go. Seriously, I would rather be dead than live without a libido and a sex life. If it shortens my life so be it. A direct benefit has been my new girlfriend...just an awesome woman I 'm floored! One year ago no way I approach this woman.

[Times Roman]

I'm 55 years old and they're gonna have to pry the syringe from my cold dead fingers when I go. Seriously, I would rather be dead than live without a libido and a robust sex life. If it shortens my life so be it.

agreed! =)

[DeniZen]

agreed! =)

TR I added my new girlfriend to that post. She is really a direct result of the changes I've made. A woman of this caliber is NOT with me one year ago!

[Times Roman]

TR I added my new girlfriend to that post. She is really a direct result of the changes I've made. A woman of this caliber is NOT with me one year ago!

congratulations mate!

yeah, the women DO notice the changes. and the men too. I regularly hear that i'm a nut. i should slow down, enjoy life! stop working out so much!
....no thanks! time enough for slowing down when i'm 90. until then, I'm enjoying life the way i like it... on the edge!~

[devildog1967]

Would you say the guidelines are good or bad ? seems alot of men are losing out on the benefits of TRT because they are not low enough even tho they are way at the bottom of the scale .

[marcus300]

There are articles and studies for both sides of the argument but in all honesty my life expectancy with low testosterone would be very short because it was a living hell living with true low testosterone and I am sure anyone who has experienced it in its hardest form will understand.

[fit2bOld]

So True, my libido was in the garbage before HRT. I was getting fat and had grown some nice man boobs all while dieting and exercising. feel awesome now and look 15 years younger. I'm 50 been treated for about 3 years.

I'm 55 years old and they're gonna have to pry the syringe from my cold dead fingers when I go. Seriously, I would rather be dead than live without a libido and a sex life. If it shortens my life so be it. A direct benefit has been my new girlfriend...just an awesome woman I 'm floored! One year ago no way I approach this woman.

[kelkel]

TR I added my new girlfriend to that post. She is really a direct result of the changes I've made. A woman of this caliber is NOT with me one year ago!

Ok, enough. Back it up with a pic please! (her, that is!)

[Times Roman]

Ok, enough. Back it up with a pic please! (her, that is!)

i second that motion! =)

[Times Roman]

Would you say the guidelines are good or bad ? seems alot of men are losing out on the benefits of TRT because they are not low enough even tho they are way at the bottom of the scale .

you have to understand what the guidelines are trying to do. first, the guidelines are in compliance with FDA protocol. and that old age is NOT a disease to be treated, but instead an inevitable fact of life. Because of this, you are expected to degrade with time, to lose your vitality, your manhood. In essence, you are expected to become a little old frail man.

As one of the principles of Life Extension, the belief is that old age is a treatable condition, and that you can stay youthful and vital well into your eighties and nineties. Rember Jack Lalanne? he was what, 94 when he passed? and he adhered to mostly outdated ideas and technologies, and look what he was able to do!

most of us are not going to behave like Jack Lalanne, but we have another advantage. Knowledge! and we are finding out more and more how to extend not only the quality of life, but life itself.

So, to answer your question. do i think the guidelines are good or bad? To be honest, and this is just my opinion, I think the guidelines are outdated. If more health professionals were willing to start men on trt/hrt in their 40's, i think we'd see alot less obese men, with fewer instances of diabetes type2, and maybe it would reduce health care costs. i mean, c'mon! how much meds do these sorry blokes have to take by carrying around an extra hundred pounds? cholestorol/blood pressure/insulin just for starters. many of these older/fatter blokes get depressed, so there are meds for that too. and when a fat person gets depressed, what do they do? most likely eat would be my guess.

hope that at least answers a portion of your question?

[JD250]

There are articles and studies for both sides of the argument but in all honesty my life expectancy with low testosterone would be very short because it was a living hell living with true low testosterone and I am sure anyone who has experienced it in its hardest form will understand.

Absolutely!!! It's not just feeling tired or lacking energy, that would've been a walk in the park, it can be the blackest pit of hell combined with chronic pain and sleeplessness and absolute hopelessness and despair!! If I die next week from being on TRT I'll consider it worth the price compared to living without it. Now that I feel well again I sometimes think back and it shocks me to think of how bad I felt all the time. Changed my life, changed the lives of my family too !!

[lovbyts]

Ok, enough. Back it up with a pic please! (her, that is!)

Ill help out here while we wait.
Before TRT



After TRT

[Times Roman]

^ what's that cutie doing with her dad?

[lovbyts]

We are in Brazil getting ready to go out to the beach?

[Times Roman]

Really? I see the problem. That cutie needs a younger bloke to escort her to that nude beach, which would be me!~. she shouldn't be hanging out with oldsters that will take her picture for all to see on BB bulletin boards!! =)

[ecdysone]

^ what's that cutie doing with her dad?

Now that I'm on TRT, that will be my motto for the remainder of my life

[zaggahamma]

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[kelkel]

Awesome transformation LB!

[Times Roman]

Ill help out here while we wait.
Before TRT



After TRT

so how many years apart are the two pics?

[APIs]

This thread is getting good, LOL. Congrats lovbyts!

[bass]

Ill help out here while we wait.
Before TRT



After TRT

Awesome transformation! i too like to know how long apart the two photos are.

[JohnnyVegas]

I, also, wouldn't care if I could live longer without the TRT. I had chronic pain, depression and a complete lack of libido. I was a wreck.

[JD250]

I don't care how far apart those pics are, I just want to see some more pics of her without you in the way.

Seriously, nice transformation bro!

[lovbyts]

so how many years apart are the two pics?

1 year 5 months.
November 2007 - April 2009

[lovbyts]

I don't care how far apart those pics are, I just want to see some more pics of her without you in the way.

Seriously, nice transformation bro!

[althor]

Something is bad one year and good the next, you see it all the time. The shopping stores down in Aust' boast about no added hormones in their meat. I guess they wont be adding me to there shelves. 20 years time trt will be the norm!

[HRTstudent]

lovbyts just made this thread a lot more interesting... lol