Poor sleep

[Simon1972]

Hi guys, long time no speak....

As most of you might remember I've been on try for many years now. Taking 125- 150 my a week split over the week with no problems. Over the last year now I've noticed I'm waking at 3 am, or 4am after going to bed at 10:30 most nights and my sleep is broken. I don't sleep well, and daytime energy levels are suffering.

I've noticed I'm starting to need daytime naps , like an old man might. Now...I am 46 so I am getting old, but I'm sure if a hormone that I'm deficient in that's causing my restless sleep and tiredness during the afternoon...

What could it be and what's my starting point...I'm. Willing to try supplementing with something.,just at a loss where to start

[Windex]

Bloodwork : Magnesium, Fasting Glucose, Thyroid, Vitamim B6, Cortisol, and Vitamin D3.

What is part of your HRT besides Testosterone ?

Just taking a sleep supplement like Melatonin or something OTC like Benadryl is not going to address to the root problem.

[HoldMyBeer]

There are 1000 things that could cause that. You need to identify and fix the problem, throwing supplements at it will only mitigate the issue if do nothing at all.
For me it's usually stress, overtraining, or needing to dial back my supplementation.

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[Simon1972]

I suppose I didn't make myself clear.

What hormone declines as we age, that has the effect of interupting sleep?

[rplante7]

Have you been tested for sleep apnea??

[Windex]

I suppose I didn't make myself clear.

What hormone declines as we age, that has the effect of interupting sleep?

It's not that black and white unfortunately. Sleep is the most complex system in the human body. If it were linked to only a single hormone we would have gone extinct a long time ago.

Magnesium deficiency causes sleep issues.

Vitamin B6 deficiency prevents melatonin production.

Vitamin D3 is the signalling hormone that tells other hormones like Serotonin and Melatonin to turn on.

Elevated cortisol keeps the body in the flight or fight state reducing capability to sleep.

Stress, diet, meal timing, and 101 other factors also affect sleep, even if it's happening subconsciously. That's why you need to do bloodwork to start the process of elimination of potential issues.

[redz]

Could even be thyroid related only way to know is full blood panel.

[Youthful55guy]

Hi guys, long time no speak....

As most of you might remember I've been on try for many years now. Taking 125- 150 my a week split over the week with no problems. Over the last year now I've noticed I'm waking at 3 am, or 4am after going to bed at 10:30 most nights and my sleep is broken. I don't sleep well, and daytime energy levels are suffering.

I've noticed I'm starting to need daytime naps , like an old man might. Now...I am 46 so I am getting old, but I'm sure if a hormone that I'm deficient in that's causing my restless sleep and tiredness during the afternoon...

What could it be and what's my starting point...I'm. Willing to try supplementing with something.,just at a loss where to start

I'm a big fan of melatonin. Melatonin is a necessary hormone to regulate sleep cycles. Without it I too have sleep issues. As we age, the pineal gland at the base of the brain begins to atrophy and produce less melatonin. That can set off a cascade of other hormonal issues associated with age. We produce the bulk of our T and GH during REM sleep, so this is probably one (of several) of the reasons why there are age-related decreases in these other hormones.

When taking melatonin for sleep, it's best to start out small and work your way up to larger doses. I'd also consider the new time-released products out there. I fond that the delayed release of half of the drug for 4 to 6 hours helps to improve my deep (restorative) Phase 3 and REM sleep, both of which occurs later in the sleep cycle.

I suggest as a starting protocol, you purchase the 1 mg chewable tablets. Start with 1mg (probably minimal effect) about an hour before bed and work your way up to 3 mg over the course of a week or two. This will help you understand how you react to the hormone. Your next step might be to introduce a 3 mg time released product. Consider 1 to 2 mg (chewable tablets) an hour before and then a 3 mg time released tablet at bedtime. It will release half (1.5 mg) immediately and the other 1.5 mg later in the sleep cycle.

My current protocol, which works very well for me, is to start with a 3 mg time-released 2 hours before bed. A second tablet 1 hour before bed, and a third table immediately before bed. At that point I'm beginning to feel the effects of the first one (fatigue-like effects) and I fall to sleep quite quickly. The slow release of melatonin over the next 4 to 6 hours helps my have a deeper and more restful sleep.

[xxblazenlowxx]

Have you been tested for sleep apnea??

I used to snore when I drank alcohol but after trt I had moderate sleep apnea.

Didnt really know what was going on untill my girlfriend filmed me, scary.

[rplante7]

Sleep apnea can have a profound effect on your well being. I didn't think I had it until I got tested (simple take home test). Treating it is another problem as the CPAP machines are not easy to sleep with