Coming off TRT to get pregnant.

[PistolPete33]

When someone that does that for a living makes a comment like that you can only be thankful to be alive. Thank god for amazing doctors.

[lovbyts]

Damn that sucks. Hopefully it all works out. We looked into the process and it's like $25,000. I don't think either of our insurances cover that either. Hoping we get pregnant in the next 2 months but who the hell knows. Next month will be a wash as I will be recovering and we will miss the window of her cycle. March will have to be do or die. haha

Still no hard answers back. I have emails into the clinic we were going through and a zoom appointment in a couple weeks. I told them we are not moving forward until I have some answers. They want me to pay for shipping of the sperm frozen from the place I had the extraction to their clinic and charge to keep it frozen until we use it. Why bother if it's not something we can use?

I have a zoom appointment with the urologist pretty soon also to discuss what we should do. Possibly a reversal???

[< <Samson> >]

Possibly a reversal???

Oh no,

I seen the outcomes of this first hand - my best friend had a vasectomy done when previously married. Got married again - she wanted kids(the usual) - he went through two procedures with a total cost of about 40k. I was with him for quite a while when he was recovering with a ice bag on his nuts. . . Still didn’t work - they had to go artificial with an extraction - that cost, I believe another 20 or 30k

But, I get it


Doesn’t it always workout to where we want something we can’t have

[lovbyts]

Oh no,

I seen the outcomes of this first hand - my best friend had a vasectomy done when previously married. Got married again - she wanted kids(the usual) - he went through two procedures with a total cost of about 40k. I was with him for quite a while when he was recovering with a ice bag on his nuts. . . Still didn’t work - they had to go artificial with an extraction - that cost, I believe another 20 or 30k

But, I get it


Doesn’t it always workout to where we want something we can’t have

Well Damn. Yeah I just started looking into the cost. $$$$ Maybe I can talk her into adopting 16 year old twin sister?

[< <Samson> >]

Well Damn. Yeah I just started looking into the cost. $$$$ Maybe I can talk her into adopting 16 year old twin sister?

Yeah - it was somethin, he was my best friend - went through all of that, had a son - year later he killed him self

Sorry to thread jack a tad

But, I remember him going through the reversals - oh man, what a procedure - his recovery seemed worse than my brain surgery. Lol - sorta

[PistolPete33]

Still no hard answers back. I have emails into the clinic we were going through and a zoom appointment in a couple weeks. I told them we are not moving forward until I have some answers. They want me to pay for shipping of the sperm frozen from the place I had the extraction to their clinic and charge to keep it frozen until we use it. Why bother if it's not something we can use?

I have a zoom appointment with the urologist pretty soon also to discuss what we should do. Possibly a reversal???

Damn, hopefully you get some answers. I was super excited to hear your results. Fingers crossed you will make this happen.

[PistolPete33]

I'm one week Post Op and doing great. I'm off the walker and down to just one crutch. I will be on the cane really soon. I've tried using the crutch as a cane and I can walk no problem this way. I'm happy with my progress so far. My leg is SWOLLEN like holy hell SWOLLEN. It is also heavily bruised and sore to the touch. Other than that, I'm not in any real pain. Today is the worst as far as swelling and stiffness goes. I have a follow up on Tuesday with my surgeon and he will remove the bandage. On Wednesday I'm going back to the gym. I will likely just do some cable stuff sitting down and some machines and keep it super light.

I haven't taken Clomid or HCG for a week and a half now. I actually don't feel awful at all either. I'm going to get my test numbers rechecked next month when they recheck my thyroid numbers. My testicles are FULLY recovered now so I'm guessing that's a good sign. They have grown since coming off HCG and Clomid. Not sure if it is just a coincidence or not though. My fiance thinks I should stay off them both for 2 months and see if we get lucky. It's been 11 weeks since I've come off so now would be about when my guys are working or not. I want to be able to jump back on even if to just run a cycle and come off again.

[< <Samson> >]

Shit, darn human form. Lol

Sounds like you’re recovering alright from the surgery - considering

Same here - as soon as I could lift I did - what I was allowed, at least - being able to bounce back as soon as possible while being safe is so important


As far as getting er’ knocked up - I’d stay off everything & get a sperm count(either the home generic one, or if u can get a specimen analysis)

I’d love to see your total test numbers. Do you know what they were before you got on juice?

[PistolPete33]

When I had my Test levels checked a few weeks ago it was around 425. I believe I was 390 before I went on. While on I was typically around 1000 but I usually made sure I never injected too close to being tested. If I was scheduled to test on a Wed. then I my last injection was typically the Thursday before. I would skip the Sunday injection. I think I'm going to order another home test kit and see what happens. If it's still not showing it's enough I will call the endo I have a referral to and get a test done. My boys have completely bounced back and are bigger than they've been in YEARS. Hoping this is a good sign esp. since I'm not taking HCG or Clomid. My fiance thinks we should just start trying once I'm able to have sex again and see what happens without taking anything for 2 months. Not sure I want to do that though. haha. I want to jump back on ASAP.

Shit, darn human form. Lol

Sounds like you’re recovering alright from the surgery - considering

Same here - as soon as I could lift I did - what I was allowed, at least - being able to bounce back as soon as possible while being safe is so important


As far as getting er’ knocked up - I’d stay off everything & get a sperm count(either the home generic one, or if u can get a specimen analysis)

I’d love to see your total test numbers. Do you know what they were before you got on juice?

[< <Samson> >]

One step at a time

Get er knocked up, make sure all is well - then jump back on

Def doesn’t sound like fun to me tho

[lovbyts]

Yeah - it was somethin, he was my best friend - went through all of that, had a son - year later he killed him self

Sorry to thread jack a tad

But, I remember him going through the reversals - oh man, what a procedure - his recovery seemed worse than my brain surgery. Lol - sorta

Sorry to hear about your friend, that always sucks.

I talked to the wife about it a little and she is saying just forget about it, no reversal if we cant do it IUI or hit the lottery and can afford the IVF. She is considering the adoption idea but not the 16 year old twin sister. LOL

[PistolPete33]

Sorry to hear about your friend, that always sucks.

I talked to the wife about it a little and she is saying just forget about it, no reversal if we cant do it IUI or hit the lottery and can afford the IVF. She is considering the adoption idea but not the 16 year old twin sister. LOL

Adoption can be an AWESOME option. We've talked about that at length. Would your wife consider using a sperm bank? I know it's kinda weird but it would give her the option to have and carry a child? It's a slippery slope I'm sure but it is an option. I never in 1000 years would have thought I would be in a position to wanting another child. My ex and I always said One and done. Funny how life changes.

[PistolPete33]

My recovery is going great. I went out yesterday for a walk which felt great. We went out on a date last night to a Hibachi restaurant which was great. We came home and had SEX!!!!!! Yes, no issues either. Here is another WIN. I've been on Cialis for at least 5 or 6 years, along with Test for much longer. I came off the Cialis, Clomid, and HCG about 2 weeks ago. I had ZERO erection issues or issues finishing. I'm hoping this is a something that stays. I would love to not have to take Cialis. The worst part about Cialis is that I started it when my TRT Clinic recommended it as a Pre-Workout. I started taking it for that and just kept taking it with the fear that I would have erection issues. Yesterday was also a high probability for pregnancy too so another plus.

[lovbyts]

Adoption can be an AWESOME option. We've talked about that at length. Would your wife consider using a sperm bank? I know it's kinda weird but it would give her the option to have and carry a child? It's a slippery slope I'm sure but it is an option. I never in 1000 years would have thought I would be in a position to wanting another child. My ex and I always said One and done. Funny how life changes.

Nope, no sperm bank. To he (Thankfully) its not about just Having a baby but it being ours together, sort of all or nothing. Going into the marriage she/we didnt plan on having any and she didn't think we could until I told here there are a few options and she liked that idea.

Im asking the doctor more if there is even a chance if we try IUPTI, it's another option we Might be able to go, still relatively cheap with the sample we have. We will see. Worth a shot and if it doesn't work then back to the twin sisters. lol

[PistolPete33]

I hear you. I don't think I could go that route either. Best of luck and let us know what the doctor says.

Nope, no sperm bank. To he (Thankfully) its not about just Having a baby but it being ours together, sort of all or nothing. Going into the marriage she/we didnt plan on having any and she didn't think we could until I told here there are a few options and she liked that idea.

Im asking the doctor more if there is even a chance if we try IUPTI, it's another option we Might be able to go, still relatively cheap with the sample we have. We will see. Worth a shot and if it doesn't work then back to the twin sisters. lol

[PistolPete33]

I'm at 13 weeks since I've been off and I actually feel pretty good. Obviously I'm recovering from pretty major surgery but overall I feel pretty good. My libido is decent but much better than it has been. Sex is obviously challenging because I had my hip replaced. haha. I'm back in the gym and everything seems to be coming together. Almost makes me think if I just run 1 or 2 cycles per year and then run PCT and come off. I say that now but when I jump back on I will prob. feel like a god and not want to come off again. I have blood work being pulled again in a few weeks to check my thyroid levels again. I'm also going to have my T levels pulled again to see where they are at.

[lovbyts]

update?

[PistolPete33]

update?

Ok OK OK..... As of right now she is 3 days late. No idea if she is pregnant or not and def. don't want to jinx it or jump the gun. Not sure when she will take a pregnancy test but I'm hopeful. She uses an app to track her period and for the past several months it has been 100% accurate. She was supposed to start on Saturday and it's now Tuesday and nothing. Here breasts are ULTRA sensitive and they hurt and last week she was a total BITCH. HAHA. She also woke up last Thursday or Friday at like 5am and was throwing up for about 10 minutes and then it went away.

It would be crazy if she is though because since my surgery we've only had sex a handful of times. The first time we had sex I came a LOT and it was super thick. I commented that above. That day she was high likelyhood of getting pregnant according to her app. So, if she is then it would 1000% be from that night.

Other than that I'm feeling pretty good. Recovery is going fast. I'm exactly one month post op and been in the gym every single day. Slowly starting to add some leg stuff back in and been doing outpatient PT twice per week. Yesterday she kicked my ass but I feel good today so all is good.

[warchild]

If her breasts are tender & swollen shes pregnant

[PistolPete33]

No such luck. Soon after I posted this she started her period.

[< <Samson> >]

Dang it

I read your update post, then the following two

Me & the wife do the same thing. She’ll be late a few days, because she’s anticipating - then it comes a few days late.

And unlike mentioned above - tended/swollen breasts usually mean a period is days away(at least from what I hear from my wife)

Amazing that you’re back in the gym!

Keep at it man

My gym friend guy who went through coming off to get his wife knocked up was done & back on within 6 months or so. I remember when he came off - he really had his head screwed on straight. Came off, PCT’d - waited, knocked her up - jumped back on. . . Shit, he was my trainer when I started on juice. Funny on how much shit he had right, that I refused to believe.

[PistolPete33]

Yeah, she's having a really tough time right now. She is def. upset. She was convinced she was pregnant and I thought also. Although, last month we had sex maybe 3 times because of my surgery. Once she's recovered we will go back to daily sex like we always had before. If we don't have a successful pregnancy the next month I will be calling the Endo and seeing what they say. I def. want to jump back on in the next few months at the latest. I do feel pretty good though and not emotional at all. My sex drive is def. way down which sucks but otherwise it isn't too bad.

I had an awesome workout today at the gym. My PT has me doing super light Romanian Dead Lifts so I did a few sets of those today. Just good to be walking better and slowly adding in more and more each week.

Dang it

I read your update post, then the following two

Me & the wife do the same thing. She’ll be late a few days, because she’s anticipating - then it comes a few days late.

And unlike mentioned above - tended/swollen breasts usually mean a period is days away(at least from what I hear from my wife)

Amazing that you’re back in the gym!

Keep at it man

My gym friend guy who went through coming off to get his wife knocked up was done & back on within 6 months or so. I remember when he came off - he really had his head screwed on straight. Came off, PCT’d - waited, knocked her up - jumped back on. . . Shit, he was my trainer when I started on juice. Funny on how much shit he had right, that I refused to believe.

[< <Samson> >]

At least you’re doing it - just keep going

I’d pop viagras or cialis(or both) just to try as much as possible - you’re already off. Add a shit ton of tribulus & anything else that can even just mentally help - fuck, focus on having fun doing it

And give it time(get her to give you time) - I wouldn’t even mess with anything before reaching 6-8 months if not 10. . . It’s just how it is. The guy I knew who came off to knock his new wife up, did right at the six month mark - then he just jumped right back on

[PistolPete33]

It's funny because before we started "trying" we had sex 7 days a week. We did this for 3+ years. Then, we started and that dropped down to prob. 2-3 times per week. A big part of that though has been since I've come off TRT. Right now that is the only real issue I have. I contacted my Primary yesterday to get the referral to an endo so she sent that over yesterday. I will follow up with the Endo on Monday and see if I can at least get a spermanalys done. That will at least tell me if I have swimmers. I could at that point. She also had an IUD for about 10 years and has only been off since August so almost 6 months. Her doctor said with that it is not uncommon for it to take 6-12 months to get regulated. Here period this month was also SUPER short. It was less than 3 days. It's hard to base it off anything though because she hasn't had her period in YEARS because of the IUD

[< <Samson> >]

Ugggh, I can’t stand the IUD shit - yup, takes time to recover from that too

Kinda like the depo - but, even longer lasting


Gotta be a lot tougher since you’re actually trying & with a new person. I have my son & I’m still with my wife - we’d like another kid - this whole life suddenly ending thing put us in the mood, before that we were set with one - specially since she already had her whole “mommy makeover” done

In my case tho, it’s me that’s shooting blanks. She’s been off all birth control for years now - I have been on a ton of sauce. Shit, even now - I still don’t wanna come off.

I just got back on some fresh HCG - but, that’s about it for now. I’m still taking a handful roid stack

Why not - go get a count, see if anything is alive & swimming. We were about to, until insurance stopped paying for it - so, I never did

But, I figure there aren’t many if any since I been “trying” for quite a while now -

[PistolPete33]

With my ex wife we were one and done and didn't want any more kids. I left her and now here I am. haha. I figure if I can get in and see the endo and see if I have swimmers or not. At least it will take out a lot of the guesswork. When I first started this process I stayed on and added 5000 IU's per week of HCG and I did that for prob. 8 weeks. I started that around August or so. I figure if I get tested and I have swimmers then it's her turn. My primary suggested a consult with a fertility specialist that looks at both of us.

[PistolPete33]

We've been trying to have sex daily or EOD. Two days ago I went limp and couldn't finish. I started back on Cialis because this happened a week or so prior as well. It is beyond frustrating but seems like the Cialis doesn't help stay hard. It is still super hard to finish which is getting frustrating. I'm hoping this is the month things happen. HAHA. I have an appointment with a new Endo on April 5th. Not sure what he is going to want to see but I will find out then. If I need a semen sample will I do that in his office or at home? UGH..... haha. he better at least order a sample to see if I have any swimmers.

[< <Samson> >]

No Viagras?

Shit, I always do both - 5mg of cialis daily & 25mg of Viagra - but, without juice it can’t be nowhere near as much fun

[PistolPete33]

I do have Viagra so maybe I will try running that also when I know we are having sex. Also, the Cialis I have is from a Research Company so it might not even be any good. When I use better stuff I can def. feel a difference. My regular supplier has been out of stock on Cialis so I haven't had any luck getting any. I can get it from an online pharmacy but it's stupid expensive. When I meet with the Endo I'm going to ask if I can get a script for it. I'm not sure if insurance covers it but at least I will know it is legit stuff.

No Viagras?

Shit, I always do both - 5mg of cialis daily & 25mg of Viagra - but, without juice it can’t be nowhere near as much fun

[PistolPete33]

So, the past week has been a roller coaster. My Fiance has slowly been losing her hair (she's only 28) so she went to a specialist. They pulled a bunch of panels to see if it was causing the hair loss. All her blood work came back fine EXCEPT her DHEA/Sulfate was 3 times higher than the normal range. The hair loss specialist this is 100% why she's been having this issue. She said she needed to get a referral to an Endo immediately. Naturally, her primary has been dropping the ball and hasn't set the referral up so she's BESIDE herself. One of the issues with high DHEA/Sulfate is yup, you guessed it INFERTILITY. WTF. I have an appointment April 5th with and endo so I guess I will figure out if I'm fertile or not. No idea if he's going to do a semen analysis while I'm there are make me bring a sample back. Hopefully, she can get into an Endo herself ASAP so we have answers. If I'm fertile and she's not for a while I may run a cycle of short esters for 6-8 weeks in the summer. We'll see. I feel good but my Sex Drive sucks ass.

[< <Samson> >]

Not the best thing to hear bro, but def good luck man

This whole life, creating life, relationship business can get tricky at times - and, it can come from either side

Really hearing you go through it, just shows me how not ready I am - I’d fall apart without roids right now. Some days I barely make it through the day, others I don’t - lethargy hits & I’m out cold for 10 hours at a time - sure is a change for me since just recently I was fighting to stay asleep seven hours.

GL bro! I really mean it < a lot of times in life, that’s the only thing that can get us through

[PistolPete33]

Thank you I really appreciate it. I've been thinking of hitting a quick cycle of 6-8 weeks in late June thru early August with a short ester but not sure yet. I NEED my sex drive back it's really starting to bother me. I've been taking Longjack but it's not doing anything. I might try a different test booster and see if I feel anything. I NEED my libido back. With the current stress we aren't even having sex so needless to say she won't be getting pregnant this month. UGH

Not the best thing to hear bro, but def good luck man

This whole life, creating life, relationship business can get tricky at times - and, it can come from either side

Really hearing you go through it, just shows me how not ready I am - I’d fall apart without roids right now. Some days I barely make it through the day, others I don’t - lethargy hits & I’m out cold for 10 hours at a time - sure is a change for me since just recently I was fighting to stay asleep seven hours.

GL bro! I really mean it < a lot of times in life, that’s the only thing that can get us through

[< <Samson> >]

Try a ton of tribulus + daily cialis + almost daily low dose viagra

I don’t know if it will measure up, but I would say worth a try before jumping back on < we all know how the “only one cycle” game works

But, being realistic myself - it would be a living hell to not have my insane sex drive. . . It’s what gets me up in the morning, then I go from there

[< <Samson> >]

Hope all is well for you brother,

But, yup - I’m as sterile as they get. . . Three ovulation cycles and nothing. I mean nothing - I suppose a decade on roids will do it to ya.

I guess it’s for the best of things for now.


But, if I ever completely change my mind - I’ll shall be on the same boat as you are.


Had to try. Lol

[PistolPete33]

UPDATE: I met with my new Endo yesterday and I like him a lot. We had a great discussion and he is very knowlegeable with TRT and reproduction as well. I told him about how long I was on and how I came off. He was shocked that I was taking 100mg/Clomid per day. He said that is a crazy amount. He ordered a Semen Analysis so I have to do that in the next week or so. He said that will give us a starting point to see what is going on. He wants to start me on Clomid 3 times per week at just 25mg. He said now that in May I will be off for 6 months. He said that's where you typically start seeing improvement. He said if at the next screening I have zero swimmers he will refer me to the Fertility Specialist in the same practice. He said they will do some ultra sounds and some other tests etc. he said he had a guy recently that was similar to me. he had Zero swimmers at all and in 4 months was near perfect.

He obviously said no TRT if I'm trying to get a pregnancy but def. recommends I jump back on as soon as we do. He said my Testes size was good. He basically said the first test will give us a baseline and hopefully the Clomid jumpstarts things and we see improvement. He would prescribe TRT when I'm ready. He said my levels of 425 weren't terrible but I told him that was while taking 50mg/Clomid every day. He said my numbers are prob. in the high 2's or low 3's now. He said the Clomid may help get that back up a little.

I asked about sex drive and he asked how often we were having sex. I told him lately it's been 1 time per week and he said that's normal for a 44 year old. I told him we used to have sex 7 days a week and he said that wasn't realistic. lmao. He said libido is obviously controlled by Testosterone but stress and other factors come into play also. He said it's a lot like exercise if you don't do it often you won't want to do it. Basically said force yourself to have sex and increase the frequency. I think a huge part of it is our sex life went from fun to we need to get pregnant so we haven't done the fun things we always did. Last night we went out to eat and she got dressed up in lingerie and heels and we had fun like we used to. One other issue is I'm still recovering from major surgery so sex is more challenging.

[< <Samson> >]

Isn't life somethin. . . . . We don't want kids? - 2 pop out. . . . We want one, shit just goes in the other direction


I'm shooting blanks - 100%. . . Wife timed her ovulation thing for 3 months, straight nothing


MD said Unrealistic. . . Ha, apparently then I'm really a fucking miracle - we're the same, daily - maybe we miss one day per week



Having sex often really seems to keep me more sane. . . Specially ever since I had this shit happen


Shoot, I think the wife is getting kinda tired(hope she gets some new help) lol


But, that sudden drop in libido would really fuck with my head - it's the first thing that gets me up in the morning on most days



GL man. . . . This def does not sound like fun, whatsoever - But, I totally get it. . . . At this point, myself - I'm not coming off. . . .Later, maybe - but, I know how that goes. . . It's like when I said "one cycle" - that was a decade ago

[PistolPete33]

She has her appointment with her Endo on Tuesday so we will see how that goes. She has really elevated DHEA Sulfate levels which cause infertility. Depending on what they say will potentially determine my next steps. I'm potentially thinking of running a 8 week cycle with all short esters for the summer just so I can feel normal. I don't know if I'm in a rush to have another kid right now. We started looking into buying a new house and it's been a shit-show. I'm tempted to just put it off for another year. Hell, I'm not even sure at this point if I even want another kid. I thought I did but at 45 I don't know if that's a great idea. We just got a new puppy and he's kicking my ass. HAHA. A kid will be so much harder.

[< <Samson> >]

Yeah, pretty much sums it all up

+ in my case, I really have no clue how long I’ll be around to raise another kid - but, I put a lot of that shit on my son since he’ll be ten this year & will carry on whatever I can not

But, you got that fresh pussy persuading you - even if it isn’t directly

I’m still with my wife. . . So my reasoning is a tad different - I’d love for my son to have a sibling, I really would. . . Not that it’s the end of the world being an only child - I am, and I turned out fine


Shit man, age sure happens - fake hips, hemorrhages, ex wives - and, so on & on


I guess I still have a “chance” of having a kid, even though it hasn’t happened - but, it seems quite low. But, fuck - I survived on 1% of 1% of about 1% < not very good odds, right?!


If shit is meant to happen - it will - I am a very firm believer in that, now




Kind of a off story here - but, it fits:

My best friend of 15+ years had two vasectomy reversals, that still didn’t work - then he had whatever it’s called done, cost 40k - it worked, him & his 3rd wife had a perfect kid & a boy this time. The previous two, were girls - I knew his 3rd wife even longer than him & we’re still friends now.

He decided to leave her when his son was just one - got on drugs for the first time in his life, then straight out of nowhere took his own life.

After that - nothing ever makes sense to me much anymore


I still think of this daily & prob will for life



The only way I get through all my days now is just not too take shit too seriously


Whatever happens, happens - just do your best

[PistolPete33]

Holy Fuck, that's horrible. I agree with you that you just have to keep pushing forward. I miss being on for certain. I started taking Insulin at just 5 units per day. Trying to get the Glucose monitor to be more consistent. I'm having trouble getting readings on it for some reason. I'm guessing not enough blood. I'm going to retry tomorrow to see if I can get it working. I will test before injecting, and then 30 minutes after and then every hour for the next 4 hours. My diet has been pretty good also so I'm starting to lean out. Would be great to get a bit more size back.

[< <Samson> >]

Shit just happens, we can go against the grain only so much

Before all of his BS started, I told him to just leave her be & get someone who already had kids(since she didn’t have any) - but, I never even for a second thought it’d end like that. . . He never touched juice at all, but his wife liked juicers - now, she’s all resettled down(her new guy is the definition of normal, no juice no nothing). She had another baby with her new guy on 7/16 - the day my brain was put back together & I awoke in ICU with ability to move. . . Ugggh, I’m def happy for her - my late friend changed & it never made sense until she had the toxicology report come back


Take it easy - I am. . . Me & the wife “might” actually try & have me come off. . . But, it sure doesn’t sound so swell. . . After being on HCG this long, I still have nuts - it’s kinda what gave us the idea that she’d get knocked up. . . Guess, it doesn’t mean the swimmers are alive though.