Quite the predicament...can anyone help me? (HRT problem)

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12-25-2008, 05:27 AM
ironaddict69

Quite the predicament...can anyone help me? (HRT problem)

This is going to be a long post, But I really need help. So if you have any useful knowledge or points you would like to make, Please help me. It really would be appreciated, and could really change my life for the better, which to be honest is really needed right now.

Well I started HRT about 2 years ago.

My doctor started me out at 200 mg a week, along with some arimidex EOD I believe. Before getting on the HRT, my libido, energy, and mood, were horrible. I had a very attractive girlfriend at the time for which I failed to perform with, yeah it was that bad. My levels were 220 on the 300-1100 reference range.

The thing that started to bother me was that 8 weeks passed, and I didn't feel any different. I figured out with him my thyroid was low, Okay so we treated that. Still no sex drive, which was weird because my test levels were around 1100, and estrogen was normal.

I finally saw another doctor, and he said he has a few patients where they don't really benefit from 200 mg a week, that it is a "semi low" dose for HRT patients. I don't want anyone to bag on his statement, this guy did some amazing things for me and literally took away my chronic fatigue syndrome...permanently. Moving on.

He moved me to 300 mg, slight improvement. Then to 400. Things began to feel better. But FOUR HUNDRED MG A WEEK? Thats a light cycle...not exactly ideal I came to realize. Not to mention I knew I wouldn't be able to lower it because I just started to see improvements, but nothing like other people. My libido was just okay, I got erections but they should have been often. They were and still are only existant when directly stimulated, versus when visually it could happen, and not as hard as they were when I was healthy and took nothing.

400 was no problem until my estrogen level was at 99 for some time...no aromatase inhibitor. Arimidex made me extremely tired, aromasin hurt my joints to the point that swimming hurt my elbows, and it literally seemed to deflate my muscles making me look small and I was weaker like that...not ideal as I was and still am power lifting. Letro seemed to work well actually, I cannot recall if it hurt my joints as I took like a quarter tab once a week.

Time went on, and I developed to get some bad acne. It got worse and worse and is treatment resistant. It is now cystic. Cystic acne means it is like a small open wound pretty much, and they bleed. It is only on my mid chest, like between my pecs, very strange. Its awful, but luckily I am far from cocky or whatever, and don't really let it affect me, as my girl does not care either, shes rad. Accutane is right around the corner, but obviously I want to avoid it, as it apparently has some reported sexual side effects and possibly depression.

Problem is I stain my wifebeaters and I know this high estrogen level cannot be good. Hell I am very strong and I bet my bones love it! But I am wondering if this is playing a role in my low libido. I mean 400 mg a week puts me around 2,500 on the test scale, 300-1100. My doctor is okay with it:rolleyes: But I obviously want to be the horny kid I was when I was 16.

Here is the dilemma. I have a neurotransmitter deficiency, which is tedious and difficult to treat. I am doing another urine test for it soon to take further steps. If anyone does not know what a neurotransmitter is, do a wikipedia search, they basically control every single emotion, including: (what do ya know!?) libido, happiness, and energy.

Estrogen and progesterone have been proven to "Amp up" neuro activity. So I take progesterone pills as well, and they actually kind of make me feel good and give me some emotions back, as my progesterone was low. But I'll be damned if the stuff doesn't get me a little too sentimental with the girl I am currently interested in:chairshot

So lowering estrogen, almost seems to make my libido worse...however I would want to try it again and possibly use a low low dose or aromasin, like half a tab ED or maybe quarter tab.

I also take Wellbutrin XL, which has definitely NOT HELPED the libido, and I will be stopping it soon, the weaning process has already began.

It really sucks to be young, have a beautiful girlfriend (we are new so we haven't had sex yet) But I don't even get it up when we are kissing (that is typical for me since being hypogonadal)

Has anyone had experience with any of this?
I may add on later, but for now, I think this is sufficient.
12-25-2008, 05:43 PM
ironaddict69

Anyone?
12-25-2008, 11:16 PM
Older lifter

Sorry bro, your going beyond what i know,,, I use TRT but at 100mg week and 0.25mg arimidex monday and thursday.... Yours is way way over the top of that!!!!!!!
12-26-2008, 01:34 AM
JiGGaMaN

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Originally Posted by Older lifter

Sorry bro, your going beyond what i know,,, I use TRT but at 100mg week and 0.25mg arimidex monday and thursday.... Yours is way way over the top of that!!!!!!!

thats exactly what im scripted, how weird! I am 22 though :P

I hate to tell you this, but you may be barking up the wrong tree as to whats wrong with your libido. 400mg/week is insane and your doctor is insane for scripting it. how would you even be able to justify that? I would consider dropping back down to at most 200mg/week and trying viagra/cialis. the progesterone will make sex feel better, so that may help as well.

Summary: i suspect your doctor is ignoring other possibilities and being dumb. send him/her my regards. Love, Jiggaman
12-26-2008, 01:41 AM
Older lifter

Lmao,,,, just imagine what you will be on when your my age..?????
12-26-2008, 02:53 AM
ironaddict69

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Originally Posted by Older lifter

Lmao,,,, just imagine what you will be on when your my age..?????

test 4,000 mg, halotestin 300 mg, winny LOL yeah I don't know...Nothing more
12-26-2008, 04:43 AM
Older lifter

U get the PM, thats about the best i can think of...
12-26-2008, 02:30 PM
ironaddict69

Yes I did thanks. I really thought more people would have an idea.
12-26-2008, 07:43 PM
FallenWyvern

I am not sure really what your question is specifically.
12-26-2008, 10:05 PM
TheKing.

I can see why your situation is tough. You say that you can't get it up; however, I wonder if it is a problem with your blood flow.. What is your blood pressure? Also, try Viagra and see if it helps. If it does, then it is not likely a mechanism problem.

Do you feel horny? I know you said you have problem getting it up like you used to, but this doesn't necessarily mean that you are not horny.

I really don't think it is safe for you to be on that high of a dose. You really increase your chances of prostate cancer so make sure you are getting examination with your level of testosterone regardless of what age you are.
When elderly men do TRT to get just to normal levels, they are at a very increased risk for developing prostate cancer. So, this should be your biggest concern.

Is your penis too big? Sometimes when guys are too large the blood flow has a hard time filling it up. I know it sounds funny, but I think it is logical that men who are too large have higher rates of being on prescription medications like Viagra.

I am not a doctor, but hopefully something may give you an idea.
12-26-2008, 11:36 PM
ironaddict69

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Originally Posted by TheKing.

I can see why your situation is tough. You say that you can't get it up; however, I wonder if it is a problem with your blood flow.. What is your blood pressure? Also, try Viagra and see if it helps. If it does, then it is not likely a mechanism problem.

Do you feel horny? I know you said you have problem getting it up like you used to, but this doesn't necessarily mean that you are not horny.

I really don't think it is safe for you to be on that high of a dose. You really increase your chances of prostate cancer so make sure you are getting examination with your level of testosterone regardless of what age you are.
When elderly men do TRT to get just to normal levels, they are at a very increased risk for developing prostate cancer. So, this should be your biggest concern.

Is your penis too big? Sometimes when guys are too large the blood flow has a hard time filling it up. I know it sounds funny, but I think it is logical that men who are too large have higher rates of being on prescription medications like Viagra.

I am not a doctor, but hopefully something may give you an idea.

No I am not horny, that is my biggest downfall at the moment, I so want that to be fixed. However I recently stopped taking wellbutrin, and that made it worse so within a week or two it should be better, and I have viagra on the way.

My blood pressure is usually a little higher...like 135-140, so that could probably make this worse? I need to be directly stimulated to get up, but i feel self conscious when I am not hard before the girl starts or if it takes a long time.

I will be sure to get PSA checked, last time it was perfect, and yes, I am above average size wise, not a dumb question on your part, a smart one actually. Which I know takes more blood. But It used to work great, so the problem has got to be something else. But yes ED medecine works well for me, very well. However, I would not need them if the SEX DRIVE was there.

thanks so much for your post.
12-28-2008, 09:00 PM
tcw

Anti depressants will usually lower the sex drive. I would try to back off them...and focus more on Juice.
12-29-2008, 02:47 AM
muscletalk

it's wierd..but this regime is really stupid and if a doc prescribes 400 mg Test..he ought to be nuts..
I would suggest Mesterelone 75-150 mg a day(wait for a week or so for the results)..safe and the only side effect errrrrections (does cut down on r rage)
this was something useful..Oxytocin (I know some smirks coming thru) but well it does help u get the wood. Used for inducing labour pains but does rush blood to the place we need. Temperoray solution though..do not use for longterm.
12-30-2008, 09:13 PM
Karak

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Originally Posted by ironaddict69

No I am not horny, that is my biggest downfall at the moment, I so want that to be fixed. However I recently stopped taking wellbutrin, and that made it worse so within a week or two it should be better, and I have viagra on the way.

My blood pressure is usually a little higher...like 135-140, so that could probably make this worse? I need to be directly stimulated to get up, but i feel self conscious when I am not hard before the girl starts or if it takes a long time.

I will be sure to get PSA checked, last time it was perfect, and yes, I am above average size wise, not a dumb question on your part, a smart one actually. Which I know takes more blood. But It used to work great, so the problem has got to be something else. But yes ED medecine works well for me, very well. However, I would not need them if the SEX DRIVE was there.

thanks so much for your post.

Anti's destroy the sex drive usually. I was on a couple though my years and know a couple people who have been on them as well. All of them hated Welbutrin for how it made them feel in the sack. NOTHING worse than being horny and seeing nothing happen.
For the first couple weeks I could hump for hours and was stoked then...just nothing...it actually was the cause of one of my relationships breaking up because I actually had no clue what the problem was.
I would say try to stay off the depression meds.
Oh by the way don't even think of viagra. Horrible compared to cialis or the others that last for 3-4 days. Wonderful little pills with no sides and a good long lasting ability to get you raring to go.
12-30-2008, 09:27 PM
amcon

they have a new cialis - i have not tried it but it is a tab you take eod and you get errections just by thinking about it...
12-30-2008, 11:45 PM
peptide

After you "fixed" your thyroid how was your energy levels? What about depression while on thyroid meds?
01-02-2009, 10:13 PM
ironaddict69

Karak thank you so much for the post (and all you other guys too, thank you, every bit of info helps.)

I am off the wellbutrin and cannot say if I noticed an improvement or not yet, but viagra seems pretty weak compared to cialis, yes. HOWEVER I only really see these drugs work when I am in a stable relationship and comfortable.

Peptide I am confused by your question, but I take armour thyroid and I don't see an effect on any of it.
01-04-2009, 10:47 AM
NEMESIS RR

Part of your problem maybe anxiety. I get this from this comment, "HOWEVER I only really see these drugs work when I am in a stable relationship and comfortable." Dude if you are having any issues try only thinking of yourself as I am going to use her as the dirty whore she is. Believe me it will help and she will likely thank you for it. Also, In my OPINION, you have to lower that test dose. Shoot for high normal to a little high if anything with estrogen mid level.
01-07-2009, 11:28 PM
ironaddict69

Oh my god, I bet you are right...that was really interesting when I read that it totally clicked...has that worked for you?

I am the type of guy who is romantic, old fashioned, and at the beginning usually treats them a little "too good." So this might prove useful...thank you!