TRT Program - Vetteman08

**PPC** · 07-11-2010, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by rmacgurn

heck i guess i need glasses and a brain defogger too....i thought we were talking about Pregnenolone. that is what i took, never used progesterone orally or gel/cream. remember i started on this stuff a long time ago, before many things where figured out i guess. As i recall preg is a step or wo away from conversion to progesterone. that is why i was on it to sort of give my body a chance to balance hormones out naturally...still not clear why i quit may have to wait for those nootropics to come in. so now you think i need to check my cortisol levels too...heck as long as my PSA is ok and i can pee no more then 2 times a night (once if i don't drink a ton of water after 9pm), then i thought all was ok...then you come along and burst my bubble.

Avitar:Yeah it is hard for me to look at her face a lot too, knowing i thought there was a better one just around the corner....sometimes i have no idea where i get these thoughts....

No bubble bursting intentions here. I was not meaning any male should use a progesterone cream. But Vette was midly concerned with low his low progest levels. Keeping progesterone in middle range is protective of the prostate apparently and progesterone has actually been shown to regrow grey matter in the brain, the develping baby in utero is flooded with progesterone to charge brain growth for example.

The theory is that supplementing with pregnenolone will raise progesterone and cortisol if they need to be higher but you know that. I'm not sure if that's actually what will happen with many of us who try it as we lose the ability to convert some hormones as we age. I only supplement progesterone due to my female issues, just hoping that becomes less neccessary if I can get Preg high enough.

I was referring to Vetteman's avatar with my statement. Yours.... I liked the first one better, but she is a pretty girl.

**Vettester** · 07-13-2010, 08:44 PM

OK, I got my lab work results back. I was going to copy it out of the PDF with my Nitro program, but the fine folks at Lab Corp put a lock on the file. Anyways, I'll post a summary of some of the KEY items on this test, and the items that came in high or low.

CBC Score Range
WBC 8.3 (4.0 - 10.5)
RBC 5.40 (4.10 - 5.60)
Hemoglobin 16.2 (12.5 - 17.0)
Hemotacrit 47.9 (36.0 -50.0)
Platelets 264 (140 - 415)

Comp Met
Albumin 4.7 (3.5 - 5.5)
BUN 16 (8 - 27)
AST 27 (0 - 40)
ALT 66 (0 - 55) HIGH

Lipids
Cholesterol 218 (100-199) HIGH
Triglycerides 129 (0 - 149 )
HDL 28 ( >39 ) HIGH
LDL 164 (0 - 99 ) HIGH

DHEA-Sulfate 188 (88.9 - 427)
Testosterone -Serum 1067 (280 - 800) HIGH
Estradiol 28.9 (7.6 - 42.6)
LH <0.2 (1.7 - 8.6) LOW
FSH <0.2 (1.5 - 12.4) LOW

Prostate-PSA 1.0 (0.0 - 4.0)
IGF-1 246 (101 -267)
SHBG 11.1 (14.5 - 48.4) LOW
Ferritin 1108 (30 - 400 ) HIGH

Not surprised that the Testosterone is up a little. I upped it a bit while taking the Deca , but will be cutting back down to 150mg/wk now that the Deca run is through. Cholesterol is just genetically high. A few years ago I used to take 80mg of Simvastatin every day. I've cut that back to 40mg x 3/wk. I'd like to dump it all together, but don't know if that's possible.

I'm not quite sure why the SHBG is low. My E2 is in the zone. Comments, questions, all are welcomed!

**Vettester** · 07-13-2010, 08:52 PM

Also, as mentioned, I will be implementing a little DHEA and pregnenolone creme into my regiment. These items should arrive with my other scripts by Friday.

I will provide updates as I get familiar with it.

**eregitano** · 07-14-2010, 07:18 AM

I'm surprised to see you LH low considering your taking HCG regularly

**bowers32** · 07-14-2010, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by eregitano

I'm surprised to see you LH low considering your taking HCG regularly

Well vette... looks like you can have the same conversation here that you and I have had on the low LH/FSH and the affects of HCG on that... and you may as well mention Clomid because that is always something that folks through into this discussion as well.

**PPC** · 07-14-2010, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by vetteman08

OK, I got my lab work results back. I was going to copy it out of the PDF with my Nitro program, but the fine folks at Lab Corp put a lock on the file. Anyways, I'll post a summary of some of the KEY items on this test, and the items that came in high or low.

CBC Score Range
WBC 8.3 (4.0 - 10.5)
RBC 5.40 (4.10 - 5.60)
Hemoglobin 16.2 (12.5 - 17.0)
Hemotacrit 47.9 (36.0 -50.0)
Platelets 264 (140 - 415)

Comp Met
Albumin 4.7 (3.5 - 5.5)
BUN 16 (8 - 27)
AST 27 (0 - 40)
ALT 66 (0 - 55) HIGH

Lipids
Cholesterol 218 (100-199) HIGH
Triglycerides 129 (0 - 149 )
HDL 28 ( >39 ) HIGH
LDL 164 (0 - 99 ) HIGH

DHEA-Sulfate 188 (88.9 - 427)
Testosterone -Serum 1067 (280 - 800) HIGH
Estradiol 28.9 (7.6 - 42.6)
LH <0.2 (1.7 - 8.6) LOW
FSH <0.2 (1.5 - 12.4) LOW

Prostate-PSA 1.0 (0.0 - 4.0)
IGF-1 246 (101 -267)
SHBG 11.1 (14.5 - 48.4) LOW
Ferritin 1108 (30 - 400 ) HIGH

Not surprised that the Testosterone is up a little. I upped it a bit while taking the Deca , but will be cutting back down to 150mg/wk now that the Deca run is through. Cholesterol is just genetically high. A few years ago I used to take 80mg of Simvastatin every day. I've cut that back to 40mg x 3/wk. I'd like to dump it all together, but don't know if that's possible.

I'm not quite sure why the SHBG is low. My E2 is in the zone. Comments, questions, all are welcomed!

Your ferritin! Are you sure that is correct? That is really high and doesn't seem to correlate with your hematocrit and hemaglobin which are still fine. Are you sure there is not one digit too many in that result? Optimum ferritin is not supposed to be much beyond 150.

Have you ever used niacin to try and raise your HDL? You can use slo-niacin (not flush free) if regular is just too hard to endure. It could help with your general lipid profile.

Since you are taking a statin that could be one of the reasons your progesterone was a little low on one of your tests. Dr Reiss (an antiaging doc) talks about how he has never seen anyone on a statin have any registered pregnenolone on serum levels. Statins deplete pregnenolone which in turn would deplete progesterone. Don't want to tell you to go off your statin but I think they are way overused. Enough niacin could really make a better difference to your lipids and you may be able to reduce statin dosage even more. Atleast niacin would help ensure your cholesterol particles would be bigger not smaller even if they remained elevated. Rmacgurn seems to have had much success with it.

SHBG - Too high T levels can push this down. Some guys with high SHBG even push their T levels too high on purpose to try and bring their SHBG down into range - I've seen blood results where that has worked. Or low SHBG can be from metabolic syndrome X but I don't think you have that as you are lean. Did not see a glucose level. Has your SHBG always been lowish? Maybe just reducing the T back down to where you were will help with that.

You feel good which is the main thing. Some would say to split your T shots up during the week ie 2-3 shots, to get that SHBG up but I'd hesitate messing with someone's protocol when they are actually benefiting so well from T as you obviously are.

Just my 2 cents, you know I'm the wrong sex to be an expert on male TRT. Feel a bit strange offering advice sometimes.

**n00bs** · 07-14-2010, 07:40 AM

Looks like a small cycle not trt lol :P I envy you.. Im stuck with testogel!

**Vettester** · 07-14-2010, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by eregitano

I'm surprised to see you LH low considering your taking HCG regularly

Please explain why.

**n00bs** · 07-14-2010, 09:31 AM

HCG replaces LH...

If testosterone is high it will naturally suppress the HPTA access just like exogenous test...

**Vettester** · 07-14-2010, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by n00bs

Looks like a small cycle not trt lol :P I envy you.. Im stuck with testogel!

Well if you call 220mg of cyp a small cycle then so be it. Like mentioned earlier, I upped that a little to compensate for the deca . Also ran Anavar for 50 days (ended about 3rd week of June), which was mentioned in the opening post as "cycled in" and not considered part of my TRT. My ALT/AST jumped during that time, but have come down. That's why I'll probably go with the liquid var next time if/when I do another run.

Deca is through, returning to 150mg/wk on cyp, should get my levels back down to that 700-800 range that I like to be at.

**Vettester** · 07-14-2010, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by n00bs

HCG replaces LH...

If testosterone is high it will naturally suppress the HPTA access just like exogenous test...

I realize HCG "acts" like LH. Are you indicating that LH levels should show "High" when HCG is in the system?

**n00bs** · 07-14-2010, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by vetteman08

I realize HCG "acts" like LH. Are you indicating that LH levels should show "High" when HCG is in the system?

No HCG will replace LH as you are adding it exogenously... It will cause testosterone to increase thus negative feedback from this to your hypothalamus will result in it decreasing LH..

In essence you shut down LH and it is replaced by hCG.

If you had gnrh instead of hCG this would cause your body to produce its own LH.. I dont think it is available though.. I may be worng i have never looked into it.

**Vettester** · 07-14-2010, 09:55 AM

PPC I appreciate you going through my lab results. I would venture to say that you have an affiliation in the medical field by a few of your responses, which is a good thing for this forum if that's the case.

Yes, that is my ferritin score. I am a carrier for hemochromotosis. I had a liver biopsy done a few years ago. I have arthritis due to the build up of iron.

I don't take Niacin, but will look into it. I actually want to start a thread (or if someone else does, great!) about supplements and HRT. There's some excellent knowledge here from members like nOObs and yourself that could give some great insight with what vitamins, amino acids, etc., to incorporate with a good TRT regiment.

**n00bs** · 07-14-2010, 09:57 AM

http://www.doctoryourself.com/hoffer_niacin.html

**Vettester** · 07-14-2010, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by n00bs

No HCG will replace LH as you are adding it exogenously... It will cause testosterone to increase thus negative feedback from this to your hypothalamus will result in it decreasing LH..

In essence you shut down LH and it is replaced by hCG.

If you had gnrh instead of hCG this would cause your body to produce its own LH.. I dont think it is available though.. I may be worng i have never looked into it.

Thanks, nOObs ... We're on the same page. I just wanted to hear from Eregitano on why he thought I should have a higher score due to the fact that I am taking HCG.

**eregitano** · 07-14-2010, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by vetteman08

Thanks, nOObs ... We're on the same page. I just wanted to hear from Eregitano on why he thought I should have a higher score due to the fact that I am taking HCG.

I actually thought the HCG helped bolster ones natural LH production to maintain testicular size and function. I see where I was mistaken.

**lionmann** · 07-14-2010, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by vetteman08

This is one area that luckily isn't a concern. I've got the same hairline that I had when I was 15. In fact, I always have my stylist thin it out for me even after it's cut short, just because I feel it's too thick. Genetics I guess.

Vette

i was banned today with the claim i sourced...it is nonsense as i was helping to locate a lab in the US to test chinese HGH for content and purity as there has been a big issue in the IGF-1 lr3, HGH thread for a while. today i was to post the labs info and suddenly i am banned...so looks like i will not be around more to contribute to the TRT threads or to report my proviron experience. i think someone wants the chinese HGH issue left alone? or maybe they did not like my avitar...don't have any way to pm you either so maybe PPC can help me stay in touch, i think i have her email.....hope you know who this is...can't say now...

**Vettester** · 07-14-2010, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by lionmann

Vette

i was banned today with the claim i sourced...it is nonsense as i was helping to locate a lab in the US to test chinese HGH for content and purity as there has been a big issue in the IGF-1 lr3, HGH thread for a while. today i was to post the labs info and suddenly i am banned...so looks like i will not be around more to contribute to the TRT threads or to report my proviron experience. i think someone wants the chinese HGH issue left alone? or maybe they did not like my avitar...don't have any way to pm you either so maybe PPC can help me stay in touch, i think i have her email.....hope you know who this is...can't say now...

It didn't take me too long to figure out who this was. Dude, sorry you got the boot. This is the first news I've heard about his. If it was a misunderstanding, please try to explain it to the powers to be and make a plead to get this lifted. Again, I don't know how this all went down, but I do know that you've contributed a wealth of information to this forum, and that is something we need more of.

One thing for certain, your avitar wasn't a factor

I was wanting to get your .02 on my labs and that whole statin thing. You have a lot of insight on stuff like that. Again, make a plead if it is possible ... We need your knowledge here. If there was a rule infraction, apologize and promise to refrain from doing it again with the condition of being permanently banned for any repeat offenses.

**megustatetas** · 07-14-2010, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by vetteman08

It didn't take me too long to figure out who this was. Dude, sorry you got the boot. This is the first news I've heard about his. If it was a misunderstanding, please try to explain it to the powers to be and make a plead to get this lifted. Again, I don't know how this all went down, but I do know that you've contributed a wealth of information to this forum, and that is something we need more of.

One thing for certain, your avitar wasn't a factor

I was wanting to get your .02 on my labs and that whole statin thing. You have a lot of insight on stuff like that. Again, make a plead if it is possible ... We need your knowledge here. If there was a rule infraction, apologize and promise to refrain from doing it again with the condition of being permanently banned for any repeat offenses.

yo trate arreglar pero no puedo. fue Marcus3000, y ellos no explica que hace, por eso no hay manera para entender. voy a tratar escribir el, para porque? si no funciona oh well...

**megustatetas** · 07-14-2010, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by vetteman08

OK, I got my lab work results back. I was going to copy it out of the PDF with my Nitro program, but the fine folks at Lab Corp put a lock on the file. Anyways, I'll post a summary of some of the KEY items on this test, and the items that came in high or low.

CBC Score Range
WBC 8.3 (4.0 - 10.5)
RBC 5.40 (4.10 - 5.60)
Hemoglobin 16.2 (12.5 - 17.0)
Hemotacrit 47.9 (36.0 -50.0)
Platelets 264 (140 - 415)

Comp Met
Albumin 4.7 (3.5 - 5.5)
BUN 16 (8 - 27)
AST 27 (0 - 40)
ALT 66 (0 - 55) HIGH

Lipids
Cholesterol 218 (100-199) HIGH
Triglycerides 129 (0 - 149 )
HDL 28 ( >39 ) HIGH
LDL 164 (0 - 99 ) HIGH

DHEA-Sulfate 188 (88.9 - 427)
Testosterone -Serum 1067 (280 - 800) HIGH
Estradiol 28.9 (7.6 - 42.6)
LH <0.2 (1.7 - 8.6) LOW
FSH <0.2 (1.5 - 12.4) LOW

Prostate-PSA 1.0 (0.0 - 4.0)
IGF-1 246 (101 -267)
SHBG 11.1 (14.5 - 48.4) LOW
Ferritin 1108 (30 - 400 ) HIGH

Not surprised that the Testosterone is up a little. I upped it a bit while taking the Deca , but will be cutting back down to 150mg/wk now that the Deca run is through. Cholesterol is just genetically high. A few years ago I used to take 80mg of Simvastatin every day. I've cut that back to 40mg x 3/wk. I'd like to dump it all together, but don't know if that's possible.

I'm not quite sure why the SHBG is low. My E2 is in the zone. Comments, questions, all are welcomed!

this will be quick as not sure whats next...but

cholesterol is not an issue at 220, that is hype to sell statins from drug companies, What does matter is the ration of total to HDL and HDL to LDL both not great. i would be concerned about the low HDL and too high LDL / Triglycerides. to fix that i would do what i did because it works.

1. get your hands on some niacin 250mg and 500mg, only nicotinic acid, not the no flush or low flush stuff (inositol, etc). start at 250mg 3x a day just after eating. you will have a redness flush but it will go away as your body gets used to it.
2. try to do a couple of shakes of day of raw oatmeal, not the 1min or 5 min, but the slow cook flakes, better if you can find organic or integral. i make mine by soaking the oats for 5-8 hrs in the fridge, then put in blender add a couple large table spoons of cinnamon and 1 spoonful turmeric. sometimes i add a couple scoops of protein also. then chug...

this alone will drop your total, and LDL buy a lot in 3-4 weeks, and raise your HDL by 10-20 points. You can add polycosanol and some D3, if your not getting a lot of sun, also garlic can help too, Kyolic brand is what i use. lastly pomegranate juice or extract can help with lipids but i don't have much experience there. i think your HDL it is down from the Var. typical reaction.

Your IGF-1 looks good for not taking anything...mine is only 50 points higher taking 2.3ius a day. LH and FSH way down but you have been on a good dose of TRT for a while, if you want add some HCG 3x a week at 250ius, but check your test as i will raise it more, maybe you can cut back on the inj then a bit in volume.

your hematocrit is good, no doubt due to the regular test inj, but your ferritin iron is way high, some of that is due to higher RBC but not sure why so high. could mean high intake of iron but no level shown for that. ALT is just out of the range about where Var put me also. try doing a liver cleanse should get those back in check...

**PPC** · 07-14-2010, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by vetteman08

PPC I appreciate you going through my lab results. I would venture to say that you have an affiliation in the medical field by a few of your responses, which is a good thing for this forum if that's the case.

Yes, that is my ferritin score. I am a carrier for hemochromotosis. I had a liver biopsy done a few years ago. I have arthritis due to the build up of iron.

I don't take Niacin, but will look into it. I actually want to start a thread (or if someone else does, great!) about supplements and HRT. There's some excellent knowledge here from members like nOObs and yourself that could give some great insight with what vitamins, amino acids, etc., to incorporate with a good TRT regiment.

Before my time here I may have missed posts on blood donations or phlembotomies. Do you donate every six weeks? I have read where 17 is the cut off for hemaglobin. Your's is not quite there but with that ferritin, I am sure you could make great jumps in your health by getting rid of some of the stored iron. Some trt patients even learn to do their own blood discards.

So it makes sense that your hemochromotosis was the possible culprit of your original low T as it often lowers testosterone levels . I think I'm late to this party, as a carrier you will know more about hemochomotosis than I. It's probably been much discussed here.

Niacin, yes the kind that promotes flushing is what you need to get that cholesterol ratio better but Doc's can prescribe a time release niacin which many claim works just as well. This is different from flush free which does not reap the same benefits. You can get slo-niacin from Wal Mart inexpensively. I simply can't handle the flushes because they seem to burn in my stomach but on the other hand, the histamine results in the body make orgasms pretty wild.

I'll disappoint you here and say I am not in the medical profession. I've just spent the last few years studying hormones and physiology passionately. Like you, hormones turned my life around. My only credentials in this arena are that I am currently co-authoring a book on nutrition, anti-aging and weight control. But it is geared at women, Mothers actually. Release date is for later this year. Yuck, this sounds like I'm shamelessly self promoting it.

**Vettester** · 07-14-2010, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by megustatetas

this will be quick as not sure whats next...but

cholesterol is not an issue at 220, that is hype to sell statins from drug companies, What does matter is the ration of total to HDL and HDL to LDL both not great. i would be concerned about the low HDL and too high LDL / Triglycerides. to fix that i would do what i did because it works.

1. get your hands on some niacin 250mg and 500mg, only nicotinic acid, not the no flush or low flush stuff (inositol, etc). start at 250mg 3x a day just after eating. you will have a redness flush but it will go away as your body gets used to it.
2. try to do a couple of shakes of day of raw oatmeal, not the 1min or 5 min, but the slow cook flakes, better if you can find organic or integral. i make mine by soaking the oats for 5-8 hrs in the fridge, then put in blender add a couple large table spoons of cinnamon and 1 spoonful turmeric. sometimes i add a couple scoops of protein also. then chug...

this alone will drop your total, and LDL buy a lot in 3-4 weeks, and raise your HDL by 10-20 points. You can add polycosanol and some D3, if your not getting a lot of sun, also garlic can help too, Kyolic brand is what i use. lastly pomegranate juice or extract can help with lipids but i don't have much experience there. i think your HDL it is down from the Var. typical reaction.

Your IGF-1 looks good for not taking anything...mine is only 50 points higher taking 2.3ius a day. LH and FSH way down but you have been on a good dose of TRT for a while, if you want add some HCG 3x a week at 250ius, but check your test as i will raise it more, maybe you can cut back on the inj then a bit in volume.

your hematocrit is good, no doubt due to the regular test inj, but your ferritin iron is way high, some of that is due to higher RBC but not sure why so high. could mean high intake of iron but no level shown for that. ALT is just out of the range about where Var put me also. try doing a liver cleanse should get those back in check...

Pretty good post for new guy!

Thanks for sharing this with me. My cholesterol is usually 180'ish, and again I've been taking 40mg of Simvistatin x 3/wk. Wish I could drop it all together.

I am jumping on board with your Niacin plan! I will also give it a run with oatmeal shakes. I've got some cinnamon, but will have to hunt down the turmeric. I agree with you about the Var playing a role with some of my numbers. The AST was off in May, but better now.

If you read earlier posts you'll see that I'm a carrier for hemochromotosis. My ferritin has always been high ... I've got arthritis because of it, and it probably played a part with my Testosterone levels being low and going on TRT.

Thanks again ... Hang in there!

**Vettester** · 07-14-2010, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by PPC

Before my time here I may have missed posts on blood donations or phlembotomies. Do you donate every six weeks? I have read where 17 is the cut off for hemaglobin. Your's is not quite there but with that ferritin, I am sure you could make great jumps in your health by getting rid of some of the stored iron. Some trt patients even learn to do their own blood discards.

So it makes sense that your hemochromotosis was the possible culprit of your original low T as it often lowers testosterone levels . I think I'm late to this party, as a carrier you will know more about hemochomotosis than I. It's probably been much discussed here.

Niacin, yes the kind that promotes flushing is what you need to get that cholesterol ratio better but Doc's can prescribe a time release niacin which many claim works just as well. This is different from flush free which does not reap the same benefits. You can get slo-niacin from Wal Mart inexpensively. I simply can't handle the flushes because they seem to burn in my stomach but on the other hand, the histamine results in the body make orgasms pretty wild.

I'll disappoint you here and say I am not in the medical profession. I've just spent the last few years studying hormones and physiology passionately. Like you, hormones turned my life around. My only credentials in this arena are that I am currently co-authoring a book on nutrition, anti-aging and weight control. But it is geared at women, Mothers actually. Release date is for later this year. Yuck, this sounds like I'm shamelessly self promoting it.

Sadly, I haven't been donating blood, and my PCP only does the phlebotomies when confirmed hemo with both sets of genes. The docs just said since there's no hemo there's no need to worry, go back to normal. Now I've seen how badly they were when I first went on TRT, I'm guessing they might be off the mark with my ferritin statements too. Kind of like TRT, I'm the one who has to suffer with the problems, not them, so it's real easy for them to just push em out the door quickly. Anyways, I actually signed up with the Red Cross today and will go dump my blood on Friday. I'm wondering how that effects my "T" levels after donating?

Actually, I've come across a few posts about hemo, iron, ferritin, but not as often as you think.

That's real cool about the book! I know my wife and I would love to take a peek at it when it's available. You have my permission to use my avitar for the cover

**megustatetas** · 07-14-2010, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by vetteman08

Pretty good post for new guy!

Thanks for sharing this with me. My cholesterol is usually 180'ish, and again I've been taking 40mg of Simvistatin x 3/wk. Wish I could drop it all together.

I am jumping on board with your Niacin plan! I will also give it a run with oatmeal shakes. I've got some cinnamon, but will have to hunt down the turmeric. I agree with you about the Var playing a role with some of my numbers. The AST was off in May, but better now.

If you read earlier posts you'll see that I'm a carrier for hemochromotosis. My ferritin has always been high ... I've got arthritis because of it, and it probably played a part with my Testosterone levels .

Thanks again ... Hang in there!

I hear from another member that rmacgurn, was banned by marcus3000 but only reason seems to be that that moderator is somehow involved in the chinese HGH biz, and does not want others to find out about the lab tests...too bad he seemed like a nice guy and made some good reads here.

Funny that you are rmacgurn... come back to try to see if you could be banned again.... you can... *admin*

**n00bs** · 07-14-2010, 07:56 PM

For theraputic dosage of niacin you need about 1000mg 3 times daily....

If you take 2g of vitmain c with each dosage it will help destroy the histamine that is released..

Read the link i sent you above that website has a wealth of infomation.

**megustatetas** · 07-14-2010, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by n00bs

For theraputic dosage of niacin you need about 1000mg 3 times daily....

If you take 2g of vitmain c with each dosage it will help destroy the histamine that is released..

Read the link i sent you above that website has a wealth of infomation.

yes agreed, i was in a hurry and only listed starting dose...3x 250mg, then 3x 500mg, then 2x 1000mg, now 2x by 1500mg.

here is another great link on niacin use for cardiovascular health...from life extension

http://search.lef.org/cgi-src-bin/Ms...n%20therapy%20

i moved up in a few weeks to 2x day at 1500mg each, i found taking my oatmeal shake with the niacin adding a 100mg aspirin cut the flush out completely. I would not take large doses more then 2x a day, as it can also be hard on the liver. cholesterol down 137 points in 7 weeks but ast up 40 points same time...

**Vettester** · 07-14-2010, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by n00bs

For theraputic dosage of niacin you need about 1000mg 3 times daily....

If you take 2g of vitmain c with each dosage it will help destroy the histamine that is released..

Read the link i sent you above that website has a wealth of infomation.

This is great stuff, nOObs! 1000mg isn't too much?

I think that thread on supplements will get started real quick!

Thanks!!!!

**PPC** · 07-14-2010, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by vetteman08

Sadly, I haven't been donating blood, and my PCP only does the phlebotomies when confirmed hemo with both sets of genes. The docs just said since there's no hemo there's no need to worry, go back to normal. Now I've seen how badly they were when I first went on TRT, I'm guessing they might be off the mark with my ferritin statements too. Kind of like TRT, I'm the one who has to suffer with the problems, not them, so it's real easy for them to just push em out the door quickly. Anyways, I actually signed up with the Red Cross today and will go dump my blood on Friday. I'm wondering how that effects my "T" levels after donating?

Actually, I've come across a few posts about hemo, iron, ferritin, but not as often as you think.

That's real cool about the book! I know my wife and I would love to take a peek at it when it's available. You have my permission to use my avitar for the cover

Okay, you had me laughing, picturing your avi on our cover.

From what I've read it is best to not donate too much, I think 1/2- 1 pint/unit at a time otherwise you can lose energy. Donating more frequently with smaller doses seems to be the key.

There's a guy on another forum who is an expert with high iron and blood donation. I'll pm you about that.

**PPC** · 07-14-2010, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by megustatetas

yes agreed, i was in a hurry and only listed starting dose...3x 250mg, then 3x 500mg, then 2x 1000mg, now 2x by 1500mg.

here is another great link on niacin use for cardiovascular health...from life extension

http://search.lef.org/cgi-src-bin/Ms...n%20therapy%20

i moved up in a few weeks to 2x day at 1500mg each, i found taking my oatmeal shake with the niacin adding a 100mg aspirin cut the flush out completely. I would not take large doses more then 2x a day, as it can also be hard on the liver. cholesterol down 137 points in 7 weeks but ast up 40 points same time...

Glad you are here new guy. You remind me of someone who was a great help to this forum. He was kind enough to anwer a zillion questios from me in PM's. We wouldn't have wanted him to leave.

**n00bs** · 07-14-2010, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by vetteman08

This is great stuff, nOObs! 1000mg isn't too much?

I think that thread on supplements will get started real quick!

Thanks!!!!

Just make sure its niacin not other forms of b3...

they have it on iherb its cheap as shit in 1000mg capsules.. But best to do it with help of a health care professional so they can moniter your liver funciton and any other problems...

**pittbulldad** · 07-14-2010, 10:31 PM

my cholesterol was 190 and my doc was freaking out... i'm glad i'm reading these things to see what bs this is... he's trying to get me to take 40mg of sivastipan to bring it down... to hell with that shiz

**Vettester** · 07-14-2010, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by pittbulldad

my cholesterol was 190 and my doc was freaking out... i'm glad i'm reading these things to see what bs this is... he's trying to get me to take 40mg of sivastipan to bring it down... to hell with that shiz

LOL, that's kind of like the docs who flip out when someone is 750 on their Test score.

**Vettester** · 07-14-2010, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by n00bs

Just make sure its niacin not other forms of b3...

they have it on iherb its cheap as shit in 1000mg capsules.. But best to do it with help of a health care professional so they can moniter your liver funciton and any other problems...

Thanks again, nOObs. I should be able to rely on my PCP for assistance since it doesn't involve hormones.

**Vettester** · 07-14-2010, 11:05 PM

Tics me off ... I personally know people that are just plain huge, eat Big Macs, etc., and they tell me their Cholesterol is 150. I eat chicken, veggies, and only go to McDonalds to take a piss when traveling, but find myself dealing with this.

**n00bs** · 07-14-2010, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by vetteman08

Tics me off ... I personally know people that are just plain huge, eat Big Macs, etc., and they tell me their Cholesterol is 150. I eat chicken, veggies, and only go to McDonalds to take a piss when traveling, but find myself dealing with this.

I have high cholesterol, and im doing a degree in nutrition..

Food isnt always the reason... Liver problems ect, Certain enzynamic pathways not working properly... Especially if you have secondary hypogonadism check alot of thinks involving sterols.. Vtiamin D for example it will generally be low.. So the body isnt using cholesterol for jobs it should for some reason.. So naturally it could build up

I dont kow why, im sitll tryng to figure all that out...

Of course LDL isnt a problem unless it oxidises... And then its only a problem if the HDL and LDL ratio is out.. My total cholesterol is above range but my hdl is high and my triglycerides low so the *** next to number son tests dont mean anything for me...

**Big** · 07-17-2010, 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by megustatetas

I hear from another member that rmacgurn, was banned by marcus3000 but only reason seems to be that that moderator is somehow involved in the chinese HGH biz, and does not want others to find out about the lab tests...too bad he seemed like a nice guy and made some good reads here.

you heard that from another member, even though you have the exact same ip address as rmacgurn and the other banned member in this thread? kooky.
In any event the truth is that marcus is disguised as an Asian, has infiltrated the Yakuza, and is hot on the trail of the men who murdered his partner.

**n00bs** · 07-17-2010, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by Big

you heard that from another member, even though you have the exact same ip address as rmacgurn and the other banned member in this thread? kooky.

Oh ****en snap!

**n00bs** · 07-17-2010, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by megustatetas

yes agreed, i was in a hurry and only listed starting dose...3x 250mg, then 3x 500mg, then 2x 1000mg, now 2x by 1500mg.

here is another great link on niacin use for cardiovascular health...from life extension

http://search.lef.org/cgi-src-bin/Ms...n%20therapy%20

i moved up in a few weeks to 2x day at 1500mg each, i found taking my oatmeal shake with the niacin adding a 100mg aspirin cut the flush out completely. I would not take large doses more then 2x a day, as it can also be hard on the liver. cholesterol down 137 points in 7 weeks but ast up 40 points same time...

You need it 3 times as only twice it is removed from the body too fast if you are s flushing this is exactly why you are not taking it often enough.

I made the same mistake moved upto 3 times and it was all good.

That way you can avoid asprin, it ****s your guts and decreases protein synthesis.

**stevey_6t9** · 07-17-2010, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by Big

you heard that from another member, even though you have the exact same ip address as rmacgurn and the other banned member in this thread? kooky.
In any event the truth is that marcus is disguised as an Asian, has infiltrated the Yakuza, and is hot on the trail of the men who murdered his partner.

hahahahah epic win

**marcus300** · 07-17-2010, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by megustatetas

I hear from another member that rmacgurn, was banned by marcus3000 but only reason seems to be that that moderator is somehow involved in the chinese HGH biz, and does not want others to find out about the lab tests...too bad he seemed like a nice guy and made some good reads here.

What on earth are you on about, i'm the one who is saying nearly everything what comes out of China is fake,why would I try and hide lab test what show they are fake when thats what i am trying to do!

do you have mental health issues rmacgurn? i guess you do, trying to pass yourself off as another member and getting caught must show your mentality, but then again its probably your fake GH.

We all know why you was banned and why your going to be again!

God what is it with this place lately, is it knobhead week.