My TRT Script!

[bass]

hopefully not! I'll keep my fingers crossed!

i guess we'll be discussing pct on the hrt forum forever

[Triple Stack]

Right on Triple Stack! my doc said he has no problem prescribing testosterone but in a gel form, i said no i want injections, he replied "i will never prescribe injections for you" so thats what is scaring me, if i let my self completely shut down then i may not be able to get back to my base line, probably won't even with PCT! then I'll have no choice but to nag him until he gives in!.

My primary physician doesn't do injections either. I told him flat out that the androgel may contaminate my wife & little kids. He suggested I see a urologist which I did. I explained the situation and he prescribed me the cypionate . If don't need referrals go to a urologist or endocrinologist. As many as you can until you get one that will do the right thing.

PS - you are already getting shut down using the exogenous test. If you can't get them to prescribe it, just go back to the clinic supplied test...

[zaggahamma]

My primary physician doesn't do injections either. I told him flat out that the androgel may contaminate my wife & little kids. He suggested I see a urologist which I did. I explained the situation and he prescribed me the cypionate . If don't need referrals go to a urologist or endocrinologist. As many as you can until you get one that will do the right thing.

PS - you are already getting shut down using the exogenous test. If you can't get them to prescribe it, just go back to the clinic supplied test...

no we're gettin it....hence NO PCT

[Triple Stack]

Bass's natty test levels were 299 before TRT...during TRT his natty levels will drop off the cliff. If he stops taking the exogenous test his natty test levels will be waaay in the toilet.

Example: My original bloodwok had me at 95. I went on Androlgel, then Striant for 1 1/2 months. I said I wanted shots, he sent me to the urologist who said, "come off the Striant and get another blood test to see where you are at". Sure! and I did, and my levels were now an amazing 49. So now I'm on test cyp. Why the doc recommended doing that I do not know why, but I knew my body would shut down natural production since it was getting test introduced from elsewhere....

I know what you're saying about no PCT, and yes we're getting it...but from the pharmacy, not our gonads LOL!

[bass]

something new i am feeling, not sure if they are sides! its like someone is sticking needle in you, it also feels like a painful pimple but no pimple! it happen few times a day but not all the time. the fist one was on my right lat on my back, and now on my front left of the chest toward the center. has any of these sides been reported?

[zaggahamma]

cant remember feeling/hearing anything like that

[JohnnyVegas]

I have not had any sides other than oily skin and increased libido.

How long does the pain last? I get focused pain like that sometimes, but started years before I started TRT. Almost like burning, small muscle cramps. They can last for hours, but massaging them really helps. I am pretty sure mine are from my back injury.

[bass]

the pain you are describing is what got me to start TRT, but the pain i get is a quick shot, as if someone pokes you with a pin like a quick in and out motion. this happens once every 4-6 hours! i always had them but not as painful. the ones i am familiar with are quick pinch that happen in different spot simultaneously, doc said they are normal, but these new one are sharp pain, they are not a bather just more curious.

I have not had any sides other than oily skin and increased libido.

How long does the pain last? I get focused pain like that sometimes, but started years before I started TRT. Almost like burning, small muscle cramps. They can last for hours, but massaging them really helps. I am pretty sure mine are from my back injury.

[bass]

just an update!

I've noticed I've been sleeping longer, before TRT i used to wakeup every 10-15 minutes due to shoulder and back pain, now i sleep hours at a time and wakeup 3-4 times a night! also noticed I've been having lots dreams, i guess because i am sleeping longer, just like the old days! its been 6 days and so far it seems to be alleviating some pain!

[Termin8r27]

Nice!

I hate ass shots too btw. They are hard to get to on your own and they always seem to burn and bleed a little on me (surface veins). I mainly stick to delts and quads now and will do the butt every now and then to change it up.

[bass]

you're right its hard to get to, but its painless!

another thing i want to mention, I've gain weight! the body fat monitor still reading the same % as before but my weight went up by 3-4 pounds! after i did my chest and triceps my wife and kids looked at me shocked how big my arms looked! could i have gain muscle in this short time!

PS. i was planing not to do any lifting for about 3-4 weeks into my TRT, but just couldn't help it, so far i did all my normal workouts last week!

[Termin8r27]

How long has it been since you started...like a week?

Every body is different, and it depends on how much mg you're taking and eating, etc, etc, but you can definitely start gaining a pound or two a week or more right when you start. Since your hormones are increasing, you should also get more muscle glycogen and protein and general bloodflow/water getting into your muscles, making you fuller.

Nice work!

[bass]

yea i started last Tuesday! i can't wait for my next shot tomorrow! it also could be fluid retention from deca !

[Triple Stack]

It's probably the Anavar more so than anything else, that start working immediately since it's metabolized daily. And 50mgs/day is a decent dosage.

[zaggahamma]

It's probably the Anavar more so than anything else, that start working immediately since it's metabolized daily. And 50mgs/day is a decent dosage.

dayam thats just what flatscat needs to hear

[bass]

took my second injection, went much easier but forgot to aspirate ! no dizziness though i guess i didn't hit a vein! i went much slower injecting the test/deca and so far no soreness! i also massaged it a little.

i was instructed to draw the deca and mix it with test in the same syringe, as i was pushing the air into the deca vial some test went in, will this effect the deca in the vial?

[JohnnyVegas]

I noticed you said you were having less pain. I have noticed (been on for five weeks) that I have a lot fewer little aches and pains. And I stopped making noise every time I got up off the couch, or out of bed. I used to make an involuntary exertion noise whenever I did anything. It made me feel old.

[bass]

yup, you just describe me! but now i feel lighter on my feet and the pain is more localized, for example, i had triceps pain, but my whole back and shoulders were like inflamed, but now i can point with my fingers where the pain is.

[emmett]

Good luck Bass, I'm following your thread with much interest. I got my blood test down and was told my script as well. Its all listed on the thread I started (don't want to hyjack your thread).I told them I'd call them back in a few days once I mulled it over.

[bass]

great, I'll go and check your thread now! good luck to you too!

[JohnnyVegas]

Johnny, i don't quite get your question! regarding the "blast" you are right, the initial script is ridiculously high, but for continued therapy i don't think they'll keep on on var and deca, probably more like you with test and hCG.

Sorry my question was confusing, but you completely answered it. After this big start you should be dropping down to a much more affordable program.

[bass]

i agree!

today i am feeling a little sore from yesterday's injection! so far here are the sides i've been noticing!

Negative Sides,
1. very light tremors, my hands are a little shaky!
2. urinating more often, no signs of prostate problems, just going to the bathroom once every hour. i still drink at least 2 liters of water a day, plus coffee, tea and juices.
3. i wakeup at around 2:30-3:00 am and drenched with sweat! the room temperature is about 65 f.
4. feeling more hungry.
5. lower back pain!
6. weight gain, i believe i've gained fat! i've been lifting only so far since i started, haven't done cardio, but my diet is still clean.

Positive Sides,
1. feeling stronger
2. before TRT my body felt broken, inflamed, now pain is only localized, but only when i lift.
3. slightly increased libido
4. increased energy, more motivated to workout
5. sleep better and longer, very little shoulder pain while sleeping.
6. improved concentration and more focused.
7. gained some muscle, and look a little leaner!

[zaggahamma]

i agree!

today i am feeling a little sore from yesterday's injection! so far here are the sides i've been noticing!

Negative Sides,
1. very light tremors, my hands are a little shaky!
2. urinating more often, no signs of prostate problems, just going to the bathroom once every hour. i still drink at least 2 liters of water a day, plus coffee, tea and juices.
3. i wakeup at around 2:30-3:00 am and drenched with sweat! the room temperature is about 65 f.
4. feeling more hungry.
5. lower back pain!
6. weight gain, i believe i've gained fat! i've been lifting only so far since i started, haven't done cardio, but my diet is still clean.

Positive Sides,
1. feeling stronger
2. before TRT my body felt broken, inflamed, now pain is only localized, but only when i lift.
3. slightly increased libido
4. increased energy, more motivated to workout
5. sleep better and longer, very little shoulder pain while sleeping.
6. improved concentration and more focused.
7. gained some muscle, and look a little leaner!

thanks for the details bass...good thread...once u get rolling in the gym give us the weight increases...did the needle pains go away?

[Triple Stack]

So are you getting more fat (negative sides #6) or more lean (positive sides #7)! LOL

When I cycle I feel fatter since I'm hungrier, so I eat more & more often and my stomach gets a little distended. So I feel full & fat, but I'm really getting leaner...maybe that's the feeling you're getting?

Yeah great thread we're on post #104 already. I wish I could be this interesting....

[bass]

yes the pain from the first injection went away, now i am feeling the new injection from yesterday!

thanks for the details bass...good thread...once u get rolling in the gym give us the weight increases...did the needle pains go away?

[bass]

i hope you're right, my arms look leaner but i feel heavy at the belly area, kind of a bloated feeling! it is confusing!

So are you getting more fat (negative sides #6) or more lean (positive sides #7)! LOL

When I cycle I feel fatter since I'm hungrier, so I eat more & more often and my stomach gets a little distended. So I feel full & fat, but I'm really getting leaner...maybe that's the feeling you're getting?

Yeah great thread we're on post #104 already. I wish I could be this interesting....

[zaggahamma]

yes the pain from the first injection went away, now i am feeling the new injection from yesterday!

no, i mean those weird needle like sensations on various spots...wasnt that you that mentioned that?

[bass]

oh yea, they're gone! thank God!

[bass]

okay this is my third day after my second injection, the first day i felt no pain, but yesterday and today its very painful, 10 times more than the first shot, i limp when i walk! my first shot was on the right side and my second was on the left, so i am alternating. when i complained to my coordinator about the soreness from my first shot he suggested that i massage after injection, so i did but its worse! is massaging a good idea? also i took my time injection, it took about a minute to inject 1.5ml. the soreness is only from the test/deca shot and not from the B12.

[JohnnyVegas]

That is strange. I have never had even a tiny bit of pain after an injection. The most I have ever injected is 1ml, but I don't think it would make that much difference, especially since you said you took a minute to inject - I inject in just a few seconds. The major difference between your injections and mine are the Deca . Or maybe you body just hates invasion.

[emmett]

Great job Bass. Did you have your BF measured before you started? How about your weight? It might be one of those things when you weigh yourself everyday, you never lose/gain as you wish to. Maybe take a mental step back and just do what you do. Sometimes you need to step back to see whats in your face. Just a suggestion but maybe your wrapped up in the daily changes too much. I myself was/is a person that would look at the scale EVERY day and say "oh, there's a pound gone" then the next day it would be back. I drove myself nuts. I now look once a week and its easier. Keep up the posts!

Also what did the clinic prescribe Oxandrolone to you for?

[bass]

That is strange. I have never had even a tiny bit of pain after an injection. The most I have ever injected is 1ml, but I don't think it would make that much difference, especially since you said you took a minute to inject - I inject in just a few seconds. The major difference between your injections and mine are the Deca . Or maybe you body just hates invasion.

do you massage the area after injection?

[bass]

Great job Bass. Did you have your BF measured before you started? How about your weight? It might be one of those things when you weigh yourself everyday, you never lose/gain as you wish to. Maybe take a mental step back and just do what you do. Sometimes you need to step back to see whats in your face. Just a suggestion but maybe your wrapped up in the daily changes too much. I myself was/is a person that would look at the scale EVERY day and say "oh, there's a pound gone" then the next day it would be back. I drove myself nuts. I now look once a week and its easier. Keep up the posts!

Also what did the clinic prescribe Oxandrolone to you for?

thanks Emmett! yes of course i'll keep reporting. as for the Oxandrolone he said it was to help lean me out!

[Triple Stack]

I think its because it's another virgin spot you injected into...don't let it worry you, keep on truckin'!

I've put 3ml in a at time and that can get tough cramming all that juice in there LOL! Also I've used test suspension which is hella painful, and have had blood squirters where it would gush against the wall when pulling the needle out.....all those times it wasn't under prescription and with dubious UGL gear. Yes I am quite jaded, but the point is.....you'll be fine!

[JohnnyVegas]

do you massage the area after injection?

I remember to massage about half the time.

I had another thought. The pharmacy was out of the 1.5" needles, so they gave me 1" and said the fat on my hip was not enough to make a difference. I should be getting 1.5" needles this time...I will see if I have a problem. Is it possible to go too deep if maybe you are slightly in the wrong spot or something? I am obviously grabbing at straws in case I say something that causes an "ah ha!" moment.

[lifeforce0019]

thanks Emmett! yes of course i'll keep reporting. as for the Oxandrolone he said it was to help lean me out!

Give it about 4 weeks my friend. You are going to feel terrific, like a new young man! What is your weekly dose of anastrazole now?

[bass]

thanks TS!

Johnny, whats odd is he gave me 1" for B12 for IM injection, and 1.5" for test/deca , i was wondering if both are IM injections why not both the same size?! but please keep me updated as to how you will react to the 1.5" needle!

LifeForce, thanks for the encouragement, i need it! as for anastrazole, i started one tablet per day for 7 days and now i am on 1/2 tablet every day.

[lifeforce0019]

That is a lot of anastrazole my friend!?!? Yikes! Who recommended 0.5 mg per day? I am not an expert but for your test/deca /anavar program that seems excessive especially since you are only 1 or 2 weeks in to your program! Hopefully some of the experts will chime in!

Thanks for pointing out my error jpk!

[zaggahamma]

That is a lot of anastrazole my friend!?!? Yikes! Who recommended bumping it to 0.5 mg per day from 1.0 mg per week? I am not an expert but for your test/deca/anavar program that seems excessive especially since you are only 1 or 2 weeks in to your program! Hopefully some of the experts will chime in!

trying to see where in this thread where the op was taking 1.0mg per week? in the post just above yours he mentioned taking less NOW ...FROM 1.0 PER DAY to .5 per day...

...i do agree its a lot but everyone reacts to test and AI's differently...maybe bass can be specific on how the original dose was decided and now tapering...i looks as if just that...intending on tapering down the whole time maybe thinking that the body will want to aromotize the test to estro more in the beginning....

[bass]

it was prescribed by the clinic's doctor i presume! i did complain about going to the bathroom allot and he said its because of the anastrazole, he said just keep drinking lots of water to stay hydrated until it normalizes. i believe the clinic is planning on ordering a blood work before my next script! so we'll see where everything is then!