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    pinning twice per week instead of just once

    I have been thinking about splitting my dose in half and pinning twice a week instead of just once on monday. However, how would I adjust my HCG and anastrozole schedule? Right now I am pinning 1ml test cyp. on monday taking 1 mg anastrozole tues and wed. and .40ml (400 units)HCG friday and saturday.

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    If you pinning just 1ml test cyp, there is no need to split in 2 shots.
    Your HCg has to be shot 48 and 24 hours prior your test shot, and anastrazole 48, 72 and 96 hours after your test shot.

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    Thanks for the response Jumper. Yes only 1 ml per week so I'll keep it the same. I'm a newbie and have read about pinning twice per week to keep test levels more steady.

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    since cyp peaks at day 4/5 and then declines fairly sharply that leads me to the conclusion that once a week is often enough also tried twice a week with no noticeable difference...once again...what works for one might not for others...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpkman View Post
    since cyp peaks at day 4/5 and then declines fairly sharply that leads me to the conclusion that once a week is often enough also tried twice a week with no noticeable difference...once again...what works for one might not for others...
    Well said ^^^!!!

    I am of the opinion that with larger quantities of test 600+ mg pinning twice per wk is a good idea to keep the peak levels under control and prevent excessive aromatization. However on a TRT dosage if you are comfortable with once per wk then I see no reason to increase it. Also the body loves adapting to states of stasis (like when you always do the same workout or diet) so a slight variation in blood levels seen by only pinning once a week may be helpful to many.

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    Thanks for your input Far and JP, I appreciate it. Like I said I'm still new to this stuff and want to get the most out of it.

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    jumper why do believe that u should do ur hcg a day before your text injection? whats the reasoning rather then doing them the same day

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    I really don't notice a difference pinning once a week or 2 x per week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 38jumper38 View Post
    If you pinning just 1ml test cyp, there is no need to split in 2 shots.
    Your HCg has to be shot 48 and 24 hours prior your test shot, and anastrazole 48, 72 and 96 hours after your test shot.
    Where did you get this protocol from?

    Just curious.

    I inject hCG at 250 iu EOD and take my AI the same days I inject T (twice a week). I find that I fell good all the time; once a week had me on a bit of a roller coaster.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 38jumper38 View Post
    If you pinning just 1ml test cyp, there is no need to split in 2 shots.
    Your HCg has to be shot 48 and 24 hours prior your test shot, and anastrazole 48, 72 and 96 hours after your test shot.
    this seems to be when i actually feel nipple sensitivity and take anastrazole when taking 150 or above of test...

    last shot being only 125(going to run for a while) i havent felt ANY nip sens. and therefore witheld anastrazole

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    I have been considering moving my shots to three times a week to reduce my E2 conversion.

    I was doing 40mg two times a week (was doing 50 mg two times a week but still getting too much E2 conversion). I was on an AI (Nova) but never really felt as good doing 50mg 2xweek + Nova as I do 40mg 2xweek. Problem with 40mg 2xweek is I don't recover after workouts as weel as when I was doing 50mg 2xweek.

    Not sure why the AI was making me feel funky. Tried 0.5 on same day I did my injections, also tried 0.25 on same day I did my injections. Both doses got rid of the nipple sensativity but I always felt "off". I feel much better now with lower test dose and no AI. Just wish I recovered better. My workouts are suffering some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GotNoBlueMilk View Post
    I have been considering moving my shots to three times a week to reduce my E2 conversion.

    I was doing 40mg two times a week (was doing 50 mg two times a week but still getting too much E2 conversion). I was on an AI (Nova) but never really felt as good doing 50mg 2xweek + Nova as I do 40mg 2xweek. Problem with 40mg 2xweek is I don't recover after workouts as weel as when I was doing 50mg 2xweek.

    Not sure why the AI was making me feel funky. Tried 0.5 on same day I did my injections, also tried 0.25 on same day I did my injections. Both doses got rid of the nipple sensativity but I always felt "off". I feel much better now with lower test dose and no AI. Just wish I recovered better. My workouts are suffering some.
    i wish i could have enough tunnel vision to determine how i felt with the different doses i've tried and i cant narrow down whats better for recover or for not feeling off, etc....like i said in above post i guess i'm lucky i actually notice the nipple sensitivity or the lack of...i guess like u said in the other posts there are even more variables and nutrient needs such as vitamin d and whatnot....good posts bro...
    interesting protocol going to 3 small shots a week

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    I ran some numbers on this. Assumptions:

    100 mg Test / week.
    Half life = 5 days
    3 weeks after shot all T-ester is gone from that shot (I only considered half life decay out 3 weeks total)

    If shoot once a week, the amount of T-ester in your body will fluctuate between 159 mg to a low of 69 mg.
    If you shoot twice a week the amount of T-ester in your body will fluctuate between 127 mg and 77 mg.
    If you shoot three times a week the amount of T-ester in your body will fluctuate between 117 mg and 84 mg.

    Of course, with my current protocol of 80 mg /week divided up to 2 shots a week, I am seeing a high of 98 mg and low of 62 mg. If I went to 100 mg divided into 3 shots a week I would see a 19 mg higher peak, but the peak would be 10 mg lower than what I was seeing with the 100 mg protocol divided into 2 shots a week. Might not get me where I need. I may have to re-evaluate an AI.

    Of course, my nads are shrinking too much and are starting to hurt some. So it looks like I will need to augment my protocol with HCG , which throws all my numbers out the window. I'll definately have to go with an AI if I do HCG too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GotNoBlueMilk View Post
    I ran some numbers on this. Assumptions:

    100 mg Test / week.
    Half life = 5 days
    3 weeks after shot all T-ester is gone from that shot (I only considered half life decay out 3 weeks total)

    If shoot once a week, the amount of T-ester in your body will fluctuate between 159 mg to a low of 69 mg.
    If you shoot twice a week the amount of T-ester in your body will fluctuate between 127 mg and 77 mg.
    If you shoot three times a week the amount of T-ester in your body will fluctuate between 117 mg and 84 mg.

    Of course, with my current protocol of 80 mg /week divided up to 2 shots a week, I am seeing a high of 98 mg and low of 62 mg. If I went to 100 mg divided into 3 shots a week I would see a 19 mg higher peak, but the peak would be 10 mg lower than what I was seeing with the 100 mg protocol divided into 2 shots a week. Might not get me where I need. I may have to re-evaluate an AI.

    Of course, my nads are shrinking too much and are starting to hurt some. So it looks like I will need to augment my protocol with HCG, which throws all my numbers out the window. I'll definately have to go with an AI if I do HCG too.
    I think u should go write all that on a dry erase board in a school hallway and then start mopping again how u like dem apples

    lol/jk

    wow

    keep us posted with that...i think

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    I cannot feel a day-to-day difference even though I know my levels go up and down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas View Post
    I cannot feel a day-to-day difference even though I know my levels go up and down.
    Yeah, I don't either. But my nips get sore easily even at 80 mg Test Cyp a week spread over 2 shots a week. Now that I'm sure I have to add on hCG because of my sore/tender shrinking nads, might as well take the approch "in for a penny in for a pound" and just do the AI too. Just hate the thought of shooting T, HCG, and doing an AI for 30+ years (assuming I live to 82+).

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    In my opinion, some fluctuations in your t level is not a bad thing. Again, I don't think there has ever been a person who has tried to split a trt dose up into two or more shots and monitored with b/w, that has reported back to this board that there was a difference in E2 levels. Maybe you will be the first though. I have said before, that I feel my best, and have my highest libido when my levels are rising AND falling. That's why i have been pushing my inject days out to 8 or 9. I don't experience "the crash" until about day 11 or 12.

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    So what you are saying is that you should inject only once a week. I am up to 240/6 days and I have split up my injections to 120 every 3 days. I split them up because in earlier posts ya'll said to. I am confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny G View Post
    So what you are saying is that you should inject only once a week. I am up to 240/6 days and I have split up my injections to 120 every 3 days. I split them up because in earlier posts ya'll said to. I am confused.
    There are a lot of people that inject twice a week. I inject 100mg every Sunday morning and Wednesday evening...every 3.5 days. Some guys inject once a week and feel fine all the time. Up to you and how you feel. I might go to once a week and see if I feel OK. I went to twice a week in the beginning simply out of fear that I would crash in the final days of the week...but it wasn't based on facts, I was just being careful and maybe it isn't necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny G View Post
    So what you are saying is that you should inject only once a week. I am up to 240/6 days and I have split up my injections to 120 every 3 days. I split them up because in earlier posts ya'll said to. I am confused.
    IMO Ken, your E3D is a very good protocol for the amount you are injecting. You won't get big spikes in E2 or T levels. And you T levels will be more even and consistent and you should feel pretty good all of the time (no peaks and valleys). Are you taking hCG or an AI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdevine View Post
    IMO Ken, your E3D is a very good protocol for the amount you are injecting. You won't get big spikes in E2 or T levels. And you T levels will be more even and consistent and you should feel pretty good all of the time (no peaks and valleys). Are you taking hCG or an AI?
    doesnt each injection peak/spike at a given day/time?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpkman View Post
    doesnt each injection peak/spike at a given day/time?????
    Good question. The high and low in T levels are probably based on a lot of variables like a mans biological break down of esters, the amount being injected, time between injections and the the type of T being injected...among a host of other things I am sure.

    In Ken's case, in my opinion, one weekly 240 mg injection is a lot at one time and can be a cause of increased E2 fluctuations plus things like he feels between injections. The peaks and valleys can make him feel great one day and shit the next.

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    I feel great, no spikes just smooth. Not taking hcg or any AI yet. I had blood work done and my prolactin levels were around 18 so the doc sent me for an MRI to check my pituatary gland, I go back next friday. I asked him about AI and he said that we will discuss on friday. Should I say anything about hcg, what are the real benifits? By the way, thank you all so much for all of the information, I think that doctors need to study these type forums so they know what they are doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdevine View Post
    Good question. The high and low in T levels are probably based on a lot of variables like a mans biological break down of esters, the amount being injected, time between injections and the the type of T being injected...among a host of other things I am sure.

    In Ken's case, in my opinion, one weekly 240 mg injection is a lot at one time and can be a cause of increased E2 fluctuations plus things like he feels between injections. The peaks and valleys can make him feel great one day and shit the next.
    The "peaks and valleys" of the rise and fall of exogenous injected test at an acceptable dose should NEVER make anyone feel like shit from one day to the next. The variances between day to day are not THAT great. In an opposite opinion, it is the going up and going down periods that make some feel their best. There you go again my good bro....

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    Quote Originally Posted by flatscat View Post
    The "peaks and valleys" of the rise and fall of exogenous injected test at an acceptable dose should NEVER make anyone feel like shit from one day to the next. The variances between day to day are not THAT great. In an opposite opinion, it is the going up and going down periods that make some feel their best. There you go again my good bro....
    Flats you're killing me man. I didn't mean "literally" day-to-day. Some men, like myself, however, do feel a difference at the end of the week on a weekly protocol and twice weekly made a BIG difference for me as it has for other similar men.

    Other men on a once every two or three week protocol can feel it even more depending upon where they started and how they felt before starting a protocol. Why do you want to jump all over my shit man every time I post? What I am saying here isn't anything new for Christ sake.

    Time to go elsewhere I guess...

    BTW Ken, on a final note; at 240 mg a week I am willing to bet a steak dinner at a restaurant of your choosing if you don't end up on an AI (keep an eye for any high E2 sides). As for hCG , as I stated, and it's your choice, but if you don't want your package to look like my 5 year old son (your balls will get very small and hurt and your sack will pull up very tight all the time), ever want to re-start or want kids you need hCG (do some research on this and make an educated decision). Also, you need your testes to work as it's your body's only source for Pregnenolone - the mother of all hormones if you will.

    Remember, you're shut down so the boys are not working and won't unless you add hCG (LH) to get them functioning again.
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    i really need to run hcg ...definately lost da boys but need to try it for any other of the possible benefits...but not having it is actually my only form or bc right now (i hope)

    as far as frequency i'm with flats....first....this week is the ONLY time i heard of ANYONE running or considering a 3x a week protocol(with cyp or enth that is)...there have been quite a few that have split them into two however BUT never MANY withstanding claims of it being SUPER beneficial...like i posted in another similar thread/subject, i suggested the guy to try it for himself...its the only way to know if you will benefit as trt is INDIVIDUAL

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpkman View Post
    i really need to run hcg ...definately lost da boys but need to try it for any other of the possible benefits...but not having it is actually my only form or bc right now (i hope)

    as far as frequency i'm with flats....first....this week is the ONLY time i heard of ANYONE running or considering a 3x a week protocol(with cyp or enth that is)...there have been quite a few that have split them into two however BUT never MANY withstanding claims of it being SUPER beneficial...like i posted in another similar thread/subject, i suggested the guy to try it for himself...its the only way to know if you will benefit as trt is INDIVIDUAL
    jpk - I took care of bc after my second and LAST child when i visited Dr. Hackett (ok, it wasn't Dr. Hackett by my GP gave me the choice of going to a specialist or the local guy who's name was - no shit - Dr. Hackett. I no way in hell did I want Dr. Hackett snipping me... - ok I digress). Sucks if you have to worry, even a bit, that you may have boys that can swim.

    As far as frequency - I've done once a week, then twice a week, and now am back once a week and I don't feel any difference. Like you said, it's INDIVIDUAL - some may feel sluggishness etc after x days, but so far on my once-a-week protocol, I still feel fine on the day I inject. Now, I've gone longer than once a week and by day 10 or 12 I feel like shite, but that's MY body.

    Flats - I think you're on to something when saying that the up and downs make a person feel their best. I've heard so many people say that stability is the key, but just like anything in life, some good and some a little not so good is what we might need. If we had Angelina Jolie (or insert your special lady here) EVERY day, then it wouldn't be that great after a while. But if you're stuck with Cyndi Lauper for a bit, THEN you get Angelina, you'll be in a much better place! I don't know where I picked those two names... haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdevine View Post
    Flats you're killing me man. I didn't mean "literally" day-to-day. Some men, like myself, however, do feel a difference at the end of the week on a weekly protocol and twice weekly made a BIG difference for me as it has for other similar men.

    Other men on a once every two or three week protocol can feel it even more depending upon where they started and how they felt before starting a protocol. Why do you want to jump all over my shit man every time I post? What I am saying here isn't anything new for Christ sake.

    Time to go elsewhere I guess...

    BTW Ken, on a final note; at 240 mg a week I am willing to bet a steak dinner at a restaurant of your choosing if you don't end up on an AI (keep an eye for any high E2 sides). As for hCG , as I stated, and it's your choice, but if you don't want your package to look like my 5 year old son (your balls will get very small and hurt and your sack will pull up very tight all the time), ever want to re-start or want kids you need hCG (do some research on this and make an educated decision). Also, you need your testes to work as it's your body's only source for Pregnenolone - the mother of all hormones if you will.

    Remember, you're shut down so the boys are not working and won't unless you add hCG (LH) to get them functioning again.

    Chill bro, that was not jumping all over your shit. Your opinion is valued and your comments and expeiences are needed on this board. Aight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by subnet View Post
    jpk - I took care of bc after my second and LAST child when i visited Dr. Hackett (ok, it wasn't Dr. Hackett by my GP gave me the choice of going to a specialist or the local guy who's name was - no shit - Dr. Hackett. I no way in hell did I want Dr. Hackett snipping me... - ok I digress). Sucks if you have to worry, even a bit, that you may have boys that can swim.

    As far as frequency - I've done once a week, then twice a week, and now am back once a week and I don't feel any difference. Like you said, it's INDIVIDUAL - some may feel sluggishness etc after x days, but so far on my once-a-week protocol, I still feel fine on the day I inject. Now, I've gone longer than once a week and by day 10 or 12 I feel like shite, but that's MY body.

    Flats - I think you're on to something when saying that the up and downs make a person feel their best. I've heard so many people say that stability is the key, but just like anything in life, some good and some a little not so good is what we might need. If we had Angelina Jolie (or insert your special lady here) EVERY day, then it wouldn't be that great after a while. But if you're stuck with Cyndi Lauper for a bit, THEN you get Angelina, you'll be in a much better place! I don't know where I picked those two names... haha

    Wonder if there is some hidden meaning in your choice of those two?????? lmao

    As far as ups and downs and frequency of injections - everyone is right when they say it is an individual thing. I just want everyone to really get to know their own body enough to make decisions on dose, frequency and ancillaries based on how they feel as it correlates to b/w and remaining healthy. To each his own, and to each I want only the best.

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