a new problem while on TRT...SEX!

**PPC** · 05-09-2011, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by bass

WOW! PPC will you marry me PLEASE?! LOL! i will definitely have her read this! now where did you get your info from? a scientific source would be more convincing to here. but you said some thing that has allot of validity to it, she always feels great after we have sex and she says "why do i stay away from sex for too long?!"

Well, if I married you we'd have to head to some commune in Utah and I'd have to be okay with being 'second wife.' But we could make some money off the TV show right? Of course my husband would miss me.

Here's a link to some studies on semen. It's a strange site but does have some good info...beware there are some links to porn although the site itself is not pornographic...just sayin.

http://sementherapy.com/adult/index.htm#3

Don't make me leaf through all my books to back myself up. That's cruel to a lazy person LOL. I just compiled info from my library here on sexuality, hormones and such. I believe you could google and find many studies to present to your wife.

How about this for more food for thought for your wife...and pardon the pun. Us females actually need breast play. The more touching, suckling etc that we can get the more protected our breasts will be. There is much evidence that breast feeding babies protect us from cancer but it's not just babies that help us out here. According to Dr Halid Mahmud, author of the book, 'Keeping A Breast: Ways To Stop Breast Cancer,' nipple and breast stimulation from our mates is just as important. He says, "If people would have their breasts stimulated and massaged regularly...there is actually scientific evidence that it increases the secretion of oxytocin, which not only helps remove pent up secretions from the breast ducts, but also fights breast cancer in several ways."

Dr Mahmud goes on to explain that fluid in the breast ducts become stagnant, the contents break down and release free radicals. The job of these free radicals is to cause DNA damage to the cells....which can lead to abnormalities. He says,...."That is why I stress breast massage and nipple stimulation to keep the fluid moving."

So that's another good reason for women get sexual. Our breasts were not supposed to sit still all day in underwire bras and then stay all alone under 'Do Not Remove' PJ's all night. They are supposed to be 'touched and more' a lot. The fact that most men find them alluring has both purpose and pleasure. We need the stimulation they want to give. Pretty perfect plan there.

But similarly, Sex protects the prostate from inflammation and cancer. You might be familiar with the Harvard study that showed that men who had twenty monthly ejaculations were 1/3 less likely to develop prostate cancer than men who had lower frequencies. Much like the situation I described with stagnant breast fluid, the prostate can be vulnerable to a buildup of cancer causing compounds. Sex flushes out the accumulation of these compounds, essentially cleaning the pipes. Some researchers theorize that sex releases psychological tension that quiets the nervous system, which when agitiated may contribute to cell division and cancer growth.

20 ejaculations = 5 times a week. Okay so that's a loftly goal for some of us who are married with children. But it's a good goal to shoot for. Hopefully your wife won't feel manipulated if you tell her you need it 5 times! Consensus seems to be that anything less than 2 ejaculations a week for men can lead to this inflammation. So maybe between 2-5 times is a good frequency. Just musing here.

**leewil1** · 05-09-2011, 08:51 AM

My wife would take flowers over semen any day, lol. Seriously though flowers once in a while does wonders, her response to them actually staggers me, funny creatures women, lol

**APIs** · 05-09-2011, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by leewil1

My wife would take flowers over semen any day, lol. Seriously though flowers once in a while does wonders, her response to them actually staggers me, funny creatures women, lol

Yeah, they have the same reaction upon viewing a new car too. Anything purchased usually will work...

**flatscat** · 05-09-2011, 11:01 AM

I just ate a ton of garlic yesterday - think that will help????????????????????????????

**PPC** · 05-09-2011, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by flatscat

I just ate a ton of garlic yesterday - think that will help????????????????????????????

Help with her wanting it? Probably not. But yeah, it might push the potency up a bit. Guess she could just eat her own garlic.

I'm not pushing what that site advocates. Swallowing three times a week is not neccessary to get the benefits of semen and I don't make that a part of my weekly challenge. The creators of that site probably have some motives other than just offering information on the health aspects of semen. Still, they can't be ignored. As mentioned, the vaginal walls absorb well into the bloodstream. But swallowing has benefits too and I think a little of both vaginal and oral is good.

I know it sounds strange, but I hold my husband's semen in high regard. Why pay ridiculous dollars for a health tonic at a store when I have one at home here for free? I just think there would be a lot more sex going on if more women had the bigger picture of what sex can offer them healthwise....and how it can also protect their husband's health. Hey...if women would just look at the exercise aspects of sex...about 220 calories burned...that's pretty darned good...and it's a lot more fun than the treadmill or weights. But I imagine that depends on how vigorous one gets.

**brad1986** · 05-09-2011, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by APIs

Oh, please. Dont you realize women are just plain crazy? They always need something to complain about & sex is no different. My girl has always loved sex, but once in awhile she'll spout some crap about not being able to keep up with me and how she works & commutes too many hours to have sex all the time. Or how my need to boink all the time is screwing up our relationship. So then we'll take two days off & before long she's jumping on my face again. Dont you understand? We as men just cannot win...

Amen

**GotNoBlueMilk** · 05-09-2011, 11:47 AM

Interesting post PPC. My wife has alwasys seemed much happier when we are having lots of sex, and much less happy when we don't. I always assumed it had everything to do with her loving sex. I'll have to rethink this now.

**leewil1** · 05-09-2011, 12:37 PM

i never realised that lying on your back and thinking of England whilst being pounded burnt so many calories, add to that a shot of health affirming chemicals and that as to be one of natures greatest bargains. Shell never be able to refuse again

**PPC** · 05-09-2011, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by GotNoBlueMilk

Interesting post PPC. My wife has alwasys seemed much happier when we are having lots of sex, and much less happy when we don't. I always assumed it had everything to do with her loving sex. I'll have to rethink this now.

Absolutely! I did not even mention the raise in endorphins during sex and orgasm. This too plays a huge role in emotional well being. We all know endorphins have a morphine like effect in the body. They create that feeling of a 'high' or pure happiness. Sex is big endorphin spiker.

For me personally, my husband now knows that if I am getting gloomy, whether I'm really in the mood or not...I need sex. He'll remind me....and it works. I don't think I'm that strange. The 'estrogen' effect of sex cannot be underplayed. Estrogen is our happy hormone. What are we like when it dips right before our periods...horrible to be around! We try to get the serotonin effect that estrogen naturally gives us by seeking out chocolate etc...but we're much better off having sex for a little estrogen/serotonin bump. Working off calories that way, not gaining them.

It also works the other way...if my husband is getting grumpy and is stressed. I know what he needs even if he doesn't. Married couples need to learn tolook after each other this way. We didn't start out this way. At first we always relied on feeling the honry itch to want to come together. But if you always end up relying on that....sex will fizzle out. I'm now of the opinion that married sex needs to be a habit not so much a consequence of desire. Sure we'll still feel desire for one another and lust comes into it...but that' can't be relied upon constantly for a hot, flourishing sex life.

**zaggahamma** · 05-09-2011, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by PPC

Help with her wanting it? Probably not. But yeah, it might push the potency up a bit. Guess she could just eat her own garlic.

I'm not pushing what that site advocates. Swallowing three times a week is not neccessary to get the benefits of semen and I don't make that a part of my weekly challenge. The creators of that site probably have some motives other than just offering information on the health aspects of semen. Still, they can't be ignored. As mentioned, the vaginal walls absorb well into the bloodstream. But swallowing has benefits too and I think a little of both vaginal and oral is good.

I know it sounds strange, but I hold my husband's semen in high regard. Why pay ridiculous dollars for a health tonic at a store when I have one at home here for free? I just think there would be a lot more sex going on if more women had the bigger picture of what sex can offer them healthwise....and how it can also protect their husband's health. Hey...if women would just look at the exercise aspects of sex...about 220 calories burned...that's pretty darned good...and it's a lot more fun than the treadmill or weights. But I imagine that depends on how vigorous one gets.

please put your GOP nomination in ....our country could use a good female leader that obviously thinks perfectly clear

**zaggahamma** · 05-09-2011, 12:49 PM

bass you look jacked....great work bro

**PPC** · 05-09-2011, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by leewil1

i never realised that lying on your back and thinking of England whilst being pounded burnt so many calories, add to that a shot of health affirming chemicals and that as to be one of natures greatest bargains. Shell never be able to refuse again

Even if she's just lying on her back, she still has to tense her way up to orgasm. yep, it is a good bargain. Now, if she's thinking of England, well I doubt she'll get there....to orgasm.

The state of arousal caused by sex raises the average person's heartbeat from an average of 70 beats per minute to 150. That is about the same as an athelete putting out a good performance. I know I'm not backing myself up here with documentation but it's pretty easy to find. Just conversing.

**SlimmerMe** · 05-09-2011, 12:56 PM

PPC: anything these guys could advise for their ladies other than BHRT? some do not want to take it. Is there something they could suggest the girl to take to help "get in the mood" chemically which would not effect the gals who do not want bhrt? other than seduction.

**PPC** · 05-09-2011, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by SlimmerMe

PPC: anything these guys could advise for their ladies other than BHRT? some do not want to take it. Is there something they could suggest the girl to take to help "get in the mood" chemically which would not effect the gals who do not want bhrt? other than seduction.

Good question. DHEA...but that's been discussed a lot. Doesn't work for every woman but some women can really get a libido spike out of it. I know it boosts mine. As far as taking something, I think that's never going to work without heart/attitude changes.

A fantastic book that really focuses well on this subject is Dr Laura's. 'The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands.' It doesn't get into the health beneifts of sex as we have been discussing here but rather the mindset of why not.

It's all about priorities. So many of us women will give others our time. We'll invest our efforts and creativity into hobbies, work, friends, children....but think it's too much effor to give our husbands 20m of enthusiastic time in bed. We think it's okay to avoid, rebuff and refuse our partners and they should still be a happy and helpful guy around the house. Dr Laura speaks up, (not so politically correctly,) that this is infact not okay. He might stay happy and helpful for a while but in the end, he'll be bitter and full of regret. Often women will not even allow themselves to be seduced so husband's are stuck and give up trying. It can work the other way sometimes gender wise but not quite as often.

It's hard to change someone else's mindset. It usually doesn't work for a man to throw a book at his wife and say 'you need to read this' or 'you need my semen to help cheer you up.' I'd be better off speaking to the wives, but that's all in my book...ha..ha.

I do challenge all my friends to spend time thinking creatively about giving their husbands two seductions a week. Whatever he initiates after that is just gravy, the more the merrier. I want to say this: What's so hard about sex that it has to be a chore? Another thing at the bottom of our lists we get to now and then? Sex, especially married, commited sex is fun, healthy, natural, good for us, bonding, antidepressant, ego boosting (we usually get a lot of compliments during)...the list goes on. I think females just go too long and start forgetting how awesome it is. Or they use it as control to get what they want. Either way, both them and their partners are missing out on such a good thing.

**SlimmerMe** · 05-09-2011, 01:20 PM

^^^ I agree with this. However...isn't there something? a cream? something? to help? Some women need to catch up to all of the hormones these guys are taking to level the playing field a bit with hormones. And if the gals are not willing to take Bhrt then there has got to be something else other than Dhea....something. I know you have a secret potion.

**PPC** · 05-09-2011, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by SlimmerMe

^^^ I agree with this. However...isn't there something? a cream? something? to help? Some women need to catch up to all of the hormones these guys are taking to level the playing field a bit with hormones. And if the gals are not willing to take Bhrt then there has got to be something else other than Dhea....something. I know you have a secret potion.

You and I come up with one and we'll be billionaires.

Are these guys really over horny? Dunno that I'm reading that. But you get to read here a lot more than I. Maybe the young ones are over at the steroid forums but I think here in HRT...these are just guys wanting pretty frequent sex. They just don't want to be in a famine or have to keep wondering when their next sex meal is coming.

Truly, I wish there was a secret potion. Less stress is a biggie. I think we all take on too much and try to be Super women. I'd rather wipe my calander clean and have a great sex life than be running from here to there exhausting myself.

Other than low strength T gel if T is low or E cream if the vagina is not plump and juicy...I don't know. Wish I did. So much of sex is in the mind, especially for women since we don't have the obvious erection to guage how much we want it. I think training our minds to be sexual, dressing sexually for our partners, grooming for sexuality etc...these help to put us in a mindset that says...I am a sexual person. We impliment practical things and then our mind and body can catch on. I wish there was an 'easy pill.' But the things that are worth it are so often hard won. We gotta put the effort in.

As much as I enjoy sex myself, I don't think I'd be up to 3 times a day. Maybe now and then. I'm good with 3-6 times a week. I could be wrong on how much these guys want it. They could chime in on that.

**bass** · 05-09-2011, 02:19 PM

man this thread is turning into rated XXX! LOL. hey thanks for your reply PPC! you have a very lucky husband!

Thanks everyone for your input, and thank you JP for the complement! i work very hard at the gym, and still have a long ways to go to reach my goal! the avi was taking right after my biceps and back workout, the next day i got deflated! still have lots of fat!

**bass** · 05-09-2011, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by jpkman

please put your GOP nomination in ....our country could use a good female leader that obviously thinks perfectly clear

sign me up too!

**meathead320** · 05-09-2011, 02:48 PM

If the woman in your life, Wife, GF etc... is not responsive to your sexual advances, assuming she does NOT have a hormonal imbalance (in which she will NEED to have that corrected first obviously), then the issue is YOU.

In other words, if she is healthy, but not getting in the mood, the WORST thing you can do is more approval seeking behavior.

You need to learn GAME, and it does NOT just apply to getting laid with random women. There is also relationship GAME. It will help you avoid the pitfalls of Beta male behavior, that turns vaginas into airid wastelands.

Most of the guys here are on TRT, and that means for a long time you HAD been doing a lot of Beta male behaviors due to the low testosterone . You may still be stuck in that pattern. It is often expressed by approval seeking behavior.

Most women have a justification process, that they use when they are not feeling attracted to a guy. Most often they will SAY he needs to be more emotionaly supportive, affectionate etc... (in other words too MORE approval seeking behavior) Her natural instincts betray her however. There is what she says she want, and what she really means. In truth most of these guys already ARE doing too much of this approval seeking already and that IS the problem.

Women ARE attracted to dominant alpha male behaviors. Even if they "say" they are not. Its Evolutionary psychology.

Ever notice how guys that are bossy tend to have hot GF's, Wives, OR lots of women in general? Ever say "how come a**holes always have better luck with women?" Its because the dominant alpha male does NOT seek approval. Women seek HIS.

What sounds more attractive?

1. "hey honey, I was wondering if you maybe wanted to get something too eat? Where would you like to go? I know you like _________, would you like to eat there tonight?"

vs.

2. "Get your stuff on, we're going out getting dinner". her: "where at?" you "you will find out when we get there, quit asking questions and get ready" - * said confident with smirk and half raised eyebrow *

Now on paper one guy is being sweet nice and considerate, the OTHER is being an aloof cocky bossy jerk.

Q: Guess which one is getting laid tonight?

A: Trick Question. 2. had just gotten done banging his girl BEFORE he told her to get her stuff on. 1. Is going to "ask"/"beg" for it later, and she is going to get herself off (after turning him down of course) to a sleezy romance novel about a women falling in love and having hot passionate sex with guess what kind of guy?

Want to learn how to use game, either for the young guy trying to get laid, OR the mature guy with trying to steam up his friggid wife, Game (aka your skills with women) will help, a lot:

http://roissy.wordpress.com/author/roissy/

**zaggahamma** · 05-09-2011, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by meathead320

If the woman in your life, Wife, GF etc... is not responsive to your sexual advances, assuming she does NOT have a hormonal imbalance (in which she will NEED to have that corrected first obviously), then the issue is YOU.

In other words, if she is healthy, but not getting in the mood, the WORST thing you can do is more approval seeking behavior.

You need to learn GAME, and it does NOT just apply to getting laid with random women. There is also relationship GAME. It will help you avoid the pitfalls of Beta male behavior, that turns vaginas into airid wastelands.

Most of the guys here are on TRT, and that means for a long time you HAD been doing a lot of Beta male behaviors due to the low testosterone . You may still be stuck in that pattern. It is often expressed by approval seeking behavior.

Most women have a justification process, that they use when they are not feeling attracted to a guy. Most often they will SAY he needs to be more emotionaly supportive, affectionate etc... (in other words too MORE approval seeking behavior) Her natural instincts betray her however. There is what she says she want, and what she really means. In truth most of these guys already ARE doing too much of this approval seeking already and that IS the problem.

Women ARE attracted to dominant alpha male behaviors. Even if they "say" they are not. Its Evolutionary psychology.

Ever notice how guys that are bossy tend to have hot GF's, Wives, OR lots of women in general? Ever say "how come a**holes always have better luck with women?" Its because the dominant alpha male does NOT seek approval. Women seek HIS.

What sounds more attractive?

1. "hey honey, I was wondering if you maybe wanted to get something too eat? Where would you like to go? I know you like _________, would you like to eat there tonight?"

vs.

2. "Get your stuff on, we're going out getting dinner". her: "where at?" you "you will find out when we get there, quit asking questions and get ready" - * said confident with smirk and half raised eyebrow *

Now on paper one guy is being sweet nice and considerate, the OTHER is being an aloof cocky bossy jerk.

Q: Guess which one is getting laid tonight?

A: Trick Question. 2. had just gotten done banging his girl BEFORE he told her to get her stuff on. 1. Is going to "ask"/"beg" for it later, and she is going to get herself off (after turning him down of course) to a sleezy romance novel about a women falling in love and having hot passionate sex with guess what kind of guy?

Want to learn how to use game, either for the young guy trying to get laid, OR the mature guy with trying to steam up his friggid wife, Game (aka your skills with women) will help, a lot:

http://roissy.wordpress.com/author/roissy/

gooooooooooooooooooooooooood stufffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

man card awarded

**SlimmerMe** · 05-09-2011, 07:11 PM

One big reason we like an alpha dog? Keeps us from doing (all) the thinking so we can finally relax! After all males are the positive and females the negative. ie: men are to give while females receive and I am not talking about one giving EVERYTHING while the other sits back and does nothing but it is the nature of positive/negative. So if a male is in charge and providing as in taking charge then we can feel taken care of even with the smallest of details like making a dinner reservation..... which helps us to relax so much more as opposed to being in charge by taking charge. Once we are in charge? not good since then we start bugging the heck out of you!

**bass** · 05-09-2011, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by meathead320

If the woman in your life, Wife, GF etc... is not responsive to your sexual advances, assuming she does NOT have a hormonal imbalance (in which she will NEED to have that corrected first obviously), then the issue is YOU.

In other words, if she is healthy, but not getting in the mood, the WORST thing you can do is more approval seeking behavior.

You need to learn GAME, and it does NOT just apply to getting laid with random women. There is also relationship GAME. It will help you avoid the pitfalls of Beta male behavior, that turns vaginas into airid wastelands.

Most of the guys here are on TRT, and that means for a long time you HAD been doing a lot of Beta male behaviors due to the low testosterone . You may still be stuck in that pattern. It is often expressed by approval seeking behavior.

Most women have a justification process, that they use when they are not feeling attracted to a guy. Most often they will SAY he needs to be more emotionaly supportive, affectionate etc... (in other words too MORE approval seeking behavior) Her natural instincts betray her however. There is what she says she want, and what she really means. In truth most of these guys already ARE doing too much of this approval seeking already and that IS the problem.

Women ARE attracted to dominant alpha male behaviors. Even if they "say" they are not. Its Evolutionary psychology.

Ever notice how guys that are bossy tend to have hot GF's, Wives, OR lots of women in general? Ever say "how come a**holes always have better luck with women?" Its because the dominant alpha male does NOT seek approval. Women seek HIS.

What sounds more attractive?

1. "hey honey, I was wondering if you maybe wanted to get something too eat? Where would you like to go? I know you like _________, would you like to eat there tonight?"

vs.

2. "Get your stuff on, we're going out getting dinner". her: "where at?" you "you will find out when we get there, quit asking questions and get ready" - * said confident with smirk and half raised eyebrow *

Now on paper one guy is being sweet nice and considerate, the OTHER is being an aloof cocky bossy jerk.

Q: Guess which one is getting laid tonight?

A: Trick Question. 2. had just gotten done banging his girl BEFORE he told her to get her stuff on. 1. Is going to "ask"/"beg" for it later, and she is going to get herself off (after turning him down of course) to a sleezy romance novel about a women falling in love and having hot passionate sex with guess what kind of guy?

Want to learn how to use game, either for the young guy trying to get laid, OR the mature guy with trying to steam up his friggid wife, Game (aka your skills with women) will help, a lot:

http://roissy.wordpress.com/author/roissy/

i agree! but like i said my wife and i are very much in love and we are always together doing stuff, she never says no for anything I ask. the problem is that she thinks TRT is like doing narcotics and she is turned off by it, so she blames everything on TRT even though before TRT we had sex spontaneously, anytime anywhere we felt like doing it, almost on a daily basis, so the relation communication as you call it (game) is not the problem, its more of what she thinks of TRT. i told her all about the benefits of TRT including libido, and that’s why she thinks every time I am horney its because of TRT, and therefore get turned off because she has not approved of TRT yet! but don't get me wrong, she is very much in love with me and she is more scared for me being on TRT than anything else, she thinks the TRT will eventually kill me! Now reading all the responses it actually opened my eyes to see where the problem is, its me not educating her properly on TRT! but its all good, we are still having sex on a regular basis. And yes she is the type that likes rugged looking men not girly men!

**boundup** · 05-09-2011, 08:36 PM

I see where you're coming from. My current girlfriend is blissfully unaware and just knows that 'as long as I feel good' then she doesn't care. She thinks it's kind of cool since all the guys in our age bracket are fat, beer belly, lazy ****s that have no motivation. I can certainly see and understand where she is coming from... have you asked her why she feels that way? Is it just the negative connotation associated with needles and 'steroids '.

**bass** · 05-09-2011, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by boundup

I see where you're coming from. My current girlfriend is blissfully unaware and just knows that 'as long as I feel good' then she doesn't care. She thinks it's kind of cool since all the guys in our age bracket are fat, beer belly, lazy ****s that have no motivation. I can certainly see and understand where she is coming from... have you asked her why she feels that way? Is it just the negative connotation associated with needles and 'steroids'.

yes i have asked her why, she thinks its like narcotics, her answers was something like "just the fact you are sticking needles in you its not right" i even gave her the example about the people with diabetes who inject themselves everyday, and her reply was "but thats different, they have a disease and you don't" but in time i think i can help her understand it better and hopefully she'll accept it! one thing for sure though, she likes how i look now as apposed to a fat-ass beer belly and old looking looser!

**meathead320** · 05-09-2011, 09:31 PM

Hmmm.... Well here is what I say to GF's. Now, PART of this is a little WHITE lie. It works, and they do not question it, because it sounds so scientific. I explain it like this, or a version of it:

"look, its not a narcotic, this is a human hormone, no different than a woman taking estrogen to feel younger, or even birth control pills. Testosterone is so chemically close to estrogen it only has a 2 carbon bond difference. Anabolic steroids are made FROM testosterone, they are chemically altered to make them unnaturally potent, testosterone is only legaly classified as one because it can also bost athletic performance at high doses, but what I take is just enough to make me feel and have the health of a younger man. This is the human version of the hormone."

If they ask "why do you need to take shots then? Why not pills, I've heard they have creams too".

Then I give this answer "because if you take it oraly then your liver breaks it down, and if you alter it to survive the liver, then it would be bad for the liver. As far as the creams go, they cost a lot more, AND it runs the risk of getting on YOU too, you wouldn't want to grow a beard right?"

Now I admit here, and only here, some of that is bull. We know after all that testosterone IS an androgenic anabolic steroid , BUT due to all the missinformation, and tons of outright lies about AAS out there, when it comes to a loved one being paranoid, I'm willing to fudge that when explaining it to them. Its just to get them to stop worrying about it, and to treat it like a medication, which it IS.

**bass** · 05-10-2011, 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by meathead320

Hmmm.... Well here is what I say to GF's. Now, PART of this is a little WHITE lie. It works, and they do not question it, because it sounds so scientific. I explain it like this, or a version of it:

"look, its not a narcotic, this is a human hormone, no different than a woman taking estrogen to feel younger, or even birth control pills. Testosterone is so chemically close to estrogen it only has a 2 carbon bond difference. Anabolic steroids are made FROM testosterone, they are chemically altered to make them unnaturally potent, testosterone is only legaly classified as one because it can also bost athletic performance at high doses, but what I take is just enough to make me feel and have the health of a younger man. This is the human version of the hormone."

If they ask "why do you need to take shots then? Why not pills, I've heard they have creams too".

Then I give this answer "because if you take it oraly then your liver breaks it down, and if you alter it to survive the liver, then it would be bad for the liver. As far as the creams go, they cost a lot more, AND it runs the risk of getting on YOU too, you wouldn't want to grow a beard right?"

Now I admit here, and only here, some of that is bull. We know after all that testosterone IS an androgenic anabolic steroid, BUT due to all the missinformation, and tons of outright lies about AAS out there, when it comes to a loved one being paranoid, I'm willing to fudge that when explaining it to them. Its just to get them to stop worrying about it, and to treat it like a medication, which it IS.

thanks for the advice, but i have explained all you have mentioned already! but I'll keep working on it and eventually she'll come around! i believe when the time comes when she starts to feel achy and old but at the same time looks at me looking young and strong, she'll get the point!

**zaggahamma** · 05-10-2011, 07:51 AM

yes same way i explain what it is...i guess it all depends on whos listening to it...bass, might just be something she may want a little leverage with....but like you said she's still into you or maybe i have that backwards...either way all good

**bass** · 05-10-2011, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by jpkman

yes same way i explain what it is...i guess it all depends on whos listening to it...bass, might just be something she may want a little leverage with....but like you said she's still into you or maybe i have that backwards...either way all good

yes definitely backwoods! LOL!

**flatscat** · 05-10-2011, 12:21 PM

i think ppc needs to hold a class for most of our wives. Geeze. talk about good stuff!

meathead,

While I agree about your get game comment, when you are married with kids, and for more than a couple of years, things do get a little more complicated vs an uncommitted relationship. And like I said, if you have been a slug for a long time, it is going to take more than game to get her where you want her to be. Start with the cocky crap all of a sudden and you prolly will do more harm than good, imho. One of the problems some have to overcome is the wifie thinking that it is ONLY the t making you horny and an ALPHA male. When in reality it is her turning you on and the t is allowing you to react normally. And, if your personality is not to be an alpha male to begin with, you will fail miserably if you have to try to be one.

Bass, like JP said - you look great! You and yours are gonna be fine!

**NOSUPERMODEL** · 05-10-2011, 01:26 PM

I honestly think it will work out for you in the end, but do you think in anyway she is seeing changes in you (attitude, muscles, confidence, etc...) and somewhere in the back of her mind she is thinking you might leave for a younger woman or that other women will be looking at you more now. I don't know just a guess. Some women are very jealous no matter how great the relationship and love is between the two.

But I do think everything will work itself out.

**bass** · 05-10-2011, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by flatscat

i think ppc needs to hold a class for most of our wives. Geeze. talk about good stuff!

meathead,

While I agree about your get game comment, when you are married with kids, and for more than a couple of years, things do get a little more complicated vs an uncommitted relationship. And like I said, if you have been a slug for a long time, it is going to take more than game to get her where you want her to be. Start with the cocky crap all of a sudden and you prolly will do more harm than good, imho. One of the problems some have to overcome is the wifie thinking that it is ONLY the t making you horny and an ALPHA male. When in reality it is her turning you on and the t is allowing you to react normally. And, if your personality is not to be an alpha male to begin with, you will fail miserably if you have to try to be one.

Bass, like JP said - you look great! You and yours are gonna be fine!

well said Flats and thanks for the complement!

**bass** · 05-10-2011, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by NOSUPERMODEL

I honestly think it will work out for you in the end, but do you think in anyway she is seeing changes in you (attitude, muscles, confidence, etc...) and somewhere in the back of her mind she is thinking you might leave for a younger woman or that other women will be looking at you more now. I don't know just a guess. Some women are very jealous no matter how great the relationship and love is between the two.

But I do think everything will work itself out.

good point, but i don't think so! she is really more worried about my health than anything else. i agree, at the end it will all work out!

**PPC** · 05-10-2011, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by flatscat

i think ppc needs to hold a class for most of our wives. Geeze. talk about good stuff!

meathead,

While I agree about your get game comment, when you are married with kids, and for more than a couple of years, things do get a little more complicated vs an uncommitted relationship. And like I said, if you have been a slug for a long time, it is going to take more than game to get her where you want her to be. Start with the cocky crap all of a sudden and you prolly will do more harm than good, imho. One of the problems some have to overcome is the wifie thinking that it is ONLY the t making you horny and an ALPHA male. When in reality it is her turning you on and the t is allowing you to react normally. And, if your personality is not to be an alpha male to begin with, you will fail miserably if you have to try to be one.

Bass, like JP said - you look great! You and yours are gonna be fine!

I see some of the aggresive alpha male thing holding some validity. For some women it may even work for a while....and yeah I see the hotness in being told what to do now and then. It could spurn a lust like reaction if done well, but lust can't be relied on. Usually one parter will have a much lesser capacity to lust than the other partner...usually (not always) the lower capacity partner is the woman. The lust simply gets all used up and nothing really can jumpstart it when it's gone.

That's why I think it has to get beyond 'desire' or 'lust' for the lower desire parter and become a mindset, an informed decision and lifestyle attitude to say 'yes' to sex or to habitually initiate. The feelings can follow once you get down to enthusiastic business.

Like SlimmerMe, I hate making decisions and like to be just 'told' now and then. I kinda like the 'game' idea described by Meathead to be honest, but if that's the way it always was...it would get old pretty soon. When you are ten - twenty years into a marriage, can't see that always working. Some women feel loved when their mate does things for them. They are 'deed' driven. I doubt the 'game' thing would work as well for them. Having said that, deed driven women may still not put out when they believe they hold all the cards. Their husbands may do dishes, help with the kids, rub their necks and these women are still like...'Thanks honey...I'm tired, think I'll just go to sleep now...you're so sweet.' This is when I think spouses need to get firm in the kindest way possible and let their partner know that it's not okay. Things must change. Loving demands for change are better than affairs on the side, serious porn addictions or a bitter divorce due to unmet needs. But I rant.

**bass** · 05-10-2011, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by PPC

I see some of the aggresive alpha male thing holding some validity. For some women it may even work for a while....and yeah I see the hotness in being told what to do now and then. It could spurn a lust like reaction if done well, but lust can't be relied on. Usually one parter will have a much lesser capacity to lust than the other partner...usually (not always) the lower capacity partner is the woman. The lust simply gets all used up and nothing really can jumpstart it when it's gone.

That's why I think it has to get beyond 'desire' or 'lust' for the lower desire parter and become a mindset, an informed decision and lifestyle attitude to say 'yes' to sex or to habitually initiate. The feelings can follow once you get down to enthusiastic business.

Like SlimmerMe, I hate making decisions and like to be just 'told' now and then. I kinda like the 'game' idea described by Meathead to be honest, but if that's the way it always was...it would get old pretty soon. When you are ten - twenty years into a marriage, can't see that always working. Some women feel loved when their mate does things for them. They are 'deed' driven. I doubt the 'game' thing would work as well for them. Having said that, deed driven women may still not put out when they believe they hold all the cards. Their husbands may do dishes, help with the kids, rub their necks and these women are still like...'Thanks honey...I'm tired, think I'll just go to sleep now...you're so sweet.' This is when I think spouses need to get firm in the kindest way possible and let their partner know that it's not okay. Things must change. Loving demands for change are better than affairs on the side, serious porn addictions or a bitter divorce due to unmet needs. But I rant.

right on!

**zaggahamma** · 05-10-2011, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by PPC

I see some of the aggresive alpha male thing holding some validity. For some women it may even work for a while....and yeah I see the hotness in being told what to do now and then. It could spurn a lust like reaction if done well, but lust can't be relied on. Usually one parter will have a much lesser capacity to lust than the other partner...usually (not always) the lower capacity partner is the woman. The lust simply gets all used up and nothing really can jumpstart it when it's gone.

That's why I think it has to get beyond 'desire' or 'lust' for the lower desire parter and become a mindset, an informed decision and lifestyle attitude to say 'yes' to sex or to habitually initiate. The feelings can follow once you get down to enthusiastic business.

Like SlimmerMe, I hate making decisions and like to be just 'told' now and then. I kinda like the 'game' idea described by Meathead to be honest, but if that's the way it always was...it would get old pretty soon. When you are ten - twenty years into a marriage, can't see that always working. Some women feel loved when their mate does things for them. They are 'deed' driven. I doubt the 'game' thing would work as well for them. Having said that, deed driven women may still not put out when they believe they hold all the cards. Their husbands may do dishes, help with the kids, rub their necks and these women are still like...'Thanks honey...I'm tired, think I'll just go to sleep now...you're so sweet.' This is when I think spouses need to get firm in the kindest way possible and let their partner know that it's not okay. Things must change. Loving demands for change are better than affairs on the side, serious porn addictions or a bitter divorce due to unmet needs. But I rant.

another great post...imagine the dishes the neck rub the babysitting and still you hear about a headache....

geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeez louiseeeeeeeeeeeeeee

**JD250** · 05-10-2011, 09:20 PM

Bass, I can see where your wife would be concerned and I can see how she could easily have the wrong perception about TRT and the wrong perception about WHY you want to have sex, I mean maybe she doesn't want to have sex with you just because you're driven to do so by some "drug", I can see where that might actually make her feel less appreciated or even hurt her feelings.

If you look at it from her standpoint it could almost be hurtful to her that you only want her because you're on a "drug".........maybe, I'm just trying to stand in her shoes for a moment.(which is actually pretty weird)

I will say this, If she really does love you then you owe it to her to do some research and compile some solid info about low T, what I mean is this....she says that injecting for diabetes is different because those people have a disease,.....well low T will cause several diseases that will in fact kill you eventually.....who needs T now? Let her know that you arent taking a horny pill, you're just putting your levels back to "normal" and the reason you want to climb on her 6 times a day is because you are back to "normal"

If you do enough research you will find that some of the diseases caused by low T are some scary shit, being dead 20 years before your time is no joke, and if she doesnt like you climbing on her as much.....well that wont be a problem with low T cuz you won't even look at her for MONTHS at a time and when you do I hope she doesn't want it to be hard, and hopefully she doesn't mind a husband that is depressed and mopes around in a bad mood all the time, it's your duty to HELP her understand how serious of a health issue this is for you bro...........once you do that......then apply the whole alpha male thing! LOL

Ladies, you gals rock!! Thank you for helping out, seriously, guys need help understanding women and relationships, I'm gonna write some of this stuff down. Thanks.

**bass** · 05-10-2011, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by JD250

Bass, I can see where your wife would be concerned and I can see how she could easily have the wrong perception about TRT and the wrong perception about WHY you want to have sex, I mean maybe she doesn't want to have sex with you just because you're driven to do so by some "drug", I can see where that might actually make her feel less appreciated or even hurt her feelings.

If you look at it from her standpoint it could almost be hurtful to her that you only want her because you're on a "drug".........maybe, I'm just trying to stand in her shoes for a moment.(which is actually pretty weird)

I will say this, If she really does love you then you owe it to her to do some research and compile some solid info about low T, what I mean is this....she says that injecting for diabetes is different because those people have a disease,.....well low T will cause several diseases that will in fact kill you eventually.....who needs T now? Let her know that you arent taking a horny pill, you're just putting your levels back to "normal" and the reason you want to climb on her 6 times a day is because you are back to "normal"

If you do enough research you will find that some of the diseases caused by low T are some scary shit, being dead 20 years before your time is no joke, and if she doesnt like you climbing on her as much.....well that wont be a problem with low T cuz you won't even look at her for MONTHS at a time and when you do I hope she doesn't want it to be hard, and hopefully she doesn't mind a husband that is depressed and mopes around in a bad mood all the time, it's your duty to HELP her understand how serious of a health issue this is for you bro...........once you do that......then apply the whole alpha male thing! LOL

Ladies, you gals rock!! Thank you for helping out, seriously, guys need help understanding women and relationships, I'm gonna write some of this stuff down. Thanks.

i agree with all your points. i know about the benefits of TRT and the risks of low T, told her all about it and had her watch some videos and read some articles. she thinks all these companies are in it to make money and don't care about what happens to us, she is right to certain degree but not all are that way. it will take time but she will come to appreciate TRT one day.

**lovbyts** · 05-11-2011, 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by bass

i agree with all your points. i know about the benefits of TRT and the risks of low T, told her all about it and had her watch some videos and read some articles. she thinks all these companies are in it to make money and don't care about what happens to us, she is right to certain degree but not all are that way. it will take time but she will come to appreciate TRT one day.

Like you said, she is right but it's up to us as the consumer to do our homework and know what is best for us and how to use it properly as with most anything you put in your body or buy period.

I know mine like the benefits, not just the sex and I'm lucky there since she is 30 she is at her peak also but she like the physical/visual benefits. Instead of being the 205lb 20%+ body fat old guy I was a few years ago I am now 12% and look 10yr younger and have a body most 20yr olds would like.

If it helps you to feel better, gives you better quality of life then she should appreciate that and encourage the positive change.

**JD250** · 05-11-2011, 07:19 AM

Well, I think you're right, she will come around, but at 51 you should have no problem finding someone the same age as you or even younger who looks like......well......shit and feels the same way, to be quite honest. When I look at my friends and business associates of similar age to me (45) I'm actually shocked at how poor their health is and then I realize how much my appearance, health and attitude have improved since TRT, point out to her the obvious differences between yourself and those who suffer the ill fate of low T that comes with age. Or take her to the local swimming hole and let her see what the 50 year old with low T and 40% body fat looks like in a speedo. lol

Just another angle at helping her see the true benefits, keep trying bro, it'll all work out.

**APIs** · 05-11-2011, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by JD250

Well, I think you're right, she will come around, but at 51 you should have no problem finding someone the same age as you or even younger who looks like......well......shit and feels the same way, to be quite honest. When I look at my friends and business associates of similar age to me (45) I'm actually shocked at how poor their health is and then I realize how much my appearance, health and attitude have improved since TRT, point out to her the obvious differences between yourself and those who suffer the ill fate of low T that comes with age. Or take her to the local swimming hole and let her see what the 50 year old with low T and 40% body fat looks like in a speedo. lol

Just another angle at helping her see the true benefits, keep trying bro, it'll all work out.

Very true. I run into old friends on FB & around town and boy do they look like shit lol. Even at the gym, you can literally point out the guys in our age bracket who have low-T. In my work too, you run into nothing but Weak-Suits in the business world. Nothing but fat & feeble men covering themselves with business attire in an attempt to hide their awful physiques. Most are only one-step away from having a heart attack. I can’t tell you the mental edge I have over these guys due to TRT...