Deca durabolin:heal the joints/harm the heart????????

**yannick35** · 12-24-2011, 06:52 PM

Last year i had liver issues with digestion and more, that cleared up after i started drinking green tea, and changed my diet a lot. I rather stay on the safe side with anything that can mess up my liver this is why when i was offered testosterone in pill i refused. I also heard that armidex is a bit hard on the liver too.

**bass** · 12-25-2011, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by choker28

just out of interest what dosage were you taking ,and you say screwed up you liver twice how come twice ?

50mgs ed, i ran when i started TRT, then few months after that i ran it again to see if i can tolerate it. both time my liver ALT/AST enzymes went way above normal.

**bass** · 12-25-2011, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by vetteman08

Agree! Compared to oral winstrol , it's a lot more mild, but I also experienced negative sides at just 50mg/day with my ALT/AST enzymes shooting up over 60; showing an increase of stress on my liver.

My clinic has it in liquid form to inject, but I'm not going to go through 6 weeks of pinning ED, not a chance.

really? is it oil base?

**bass** · 12-25-2011, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by yannick35

Last year i had liver issues with digestion and more, that cleared up after i started drinking green tea, and changed my diet a lot. I rather stay on the safe side with anything that can mess up my liver this is why when i was offered testosterone in pill i refused. I also heard that armidex is a bit hard on the liver too.

that is correct Yiannick! thats why i lowered my test dose so i can lower my AI dose.

**Vettester** · 12-25-2011, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by bass

really? is it oil base?

I've never received a script for the liquid version, but I would imagine that having such a short half life it is suspended in water. It is also available in sublingual troche form and transdermal creams.

One thought of curiosity is how the liquid anavar would respond by injecting sub-q. Winstrol has a tendency to clog smaller needles, but I don't know if the liquid anavar has the same characteristics. I'll see if my doctor and clinic can elaborate on this.

**bass** · 12-25-2011, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by vetteman08

I've never received a script for the liquid version, but I would imagine that having such a short half life it is suspended in water. It is also available in sublingual troche form and transdermal creams.

One thought of curiosity is how the liquid anavar would respond by injecting sub-q. Winstrol has a tendency to clog smaller needles, but I don't know if the liquid anavar has the same characteristics. I'll see if my doctor and clinic can elaborate on this.

that sounds like a stroke shot to me! if it clogs a needle that means the particles are way too large for millions of veins especially around the brain!

**Vettester** · 12-25-2011, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by bass

that sounds like a stroke shot to me! if it clogs a needle that means the particles are way too large for millions of veins especially around the brain!

No, it dissolves quickly in the body when injecting IM. Although anyone injecting will definitely want to pay close attention to aspirating. It's a normal feature for this compound to have crystals. It would clog up at times when trying to pin with 25g, which is my preference. 23g never gave me any problems. I have heard that heating it up will help with that issue, but I personally never tried it. There's plenty of members here with a lot of Winstrol experience, maybe others will chime in and confirm if heating it up will help.

**bass** · 12-26-2011, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by vetteman08

No, it dissolves quickly in the body when injecting IM. Although anyone injecting will definitely want to pay close attention to aspirating. It's a normal feature for this compound to have crystals. It would clog up at times when trying to pin with 25g, which is my preference. 23g never gave me any problems. I have heard that heating it up will help with that issue, but I personally never tried it. There's plenty of members here with a lot of Winstrol experience, maybe others will chime in and confirm if heating it up will help.

thanks for the clarification.