Restoring E2 levels after crashing

**kelkel** · 03-19-2012, 09:19 AM

If it works, it works! That is real interesting for those of us who have crashed E2! Shows how quickly you convert with the higher dosage. You learned alot about yourself on this journey and we all learned from you! What is your goal number and will you be able to monitor closely with BW to get there? Did you have your free T tested as well?

I just had a doc visit myself and had him write me adex at .125 just in case I ever need it again. I spoke to him about inherent low E and he said some people are just that way, yet can still be nip sensitive as well, which seems to describe me.

And don't thank me. We all learn from each other here. It's what makes this forum great! Keep this thread alive with your progress Abbott!

**abbot138** · 03-19-2012, 09:33 AM

Yeah i definately seem to be the exact opposite as you, lol. I would like to be around 30, but with how easily I convert this might be hard to accomplish, or at least it will take some time to get dialed in with the right AI dose. Free test was 41.....I will be able to get bloodwork done frequently as I worked something out with a Dr friend of mine

Just gonna start nice and slow and if E2 has to be a little high for a while then so be it. I also think taking my Test dose down to 120 from 140 will help, plus some of the other things that you taught me with timing of HCG and AI doses. I will definately keep the thread going.

**kelkel** · 03-19-2012, 09:40 AM

Great! I'd really like to know how you actually feel throughout the process. Joints, libido, etc. That was definitely a "jump start" to your E level! I'll pm you when I have more time with an interesting concept I have...

**flatscat** · 03-20-2012, 06:25 PM

Hey kel ... Mine just came back at 8. geeze it's an epidemic lol.

**kelkel** · 03-20-2012, 08:30 PM

Damn flats! Never did like that "rule of thumb" and I've posted negatively about it many times (not that you adhered to that.) How are you feeling? What's your plan? Abbot did a quick re-boot that seemed to work for him!

**flatscat** · 03-21-2012, 10:00 AM

I am not feeling that great. Got there on .25 twice a week. I have always been a converter usually stayed around 30- 40 on that dose.

There should be NO rule of thumb when it comes to an ai dose.

**bass** · 03-21-2012, 10:10 AM

the conversion rate seems to fade a way after a while being on TRT. same here Flats, i seem to always hover at around 30-40, but not anymore! check out my new thread regarding blood work based on SQ no AI.

**flatscat** · 03-21-2012, 10:52 AM

I agree with that. Which is why adding proviron is so intriguing to me in place of an ai. Still don't think we ever got to the bottom of that discussion other than it ia difficult to obtain.

**kelkel** · 03-21-2012, 02:07 PM

Flats I've got a script for it but it's unobtainable in the US. Even though a US company makes it. Still searching......will advise...

**flatscat** · 03-21-2012, 02:42 PM

I am pretty sure if you have a legitimate rx you can have it filled from out of country.

**jamotech** · 03-21-2012, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by bass

the conversion rate seems to fade a way after a while being on TRT.

Agreed, seems like most knowledge of AI usage comes from cycle experience, and cycling dosent usually last more than 16 weeks. So, for our purposes, its still an unknown. Its possibly our bodys adapt over time, maybe producing less aromatize enzyme. Maybe...for some... its only needed when test levels are initially increased, then after 3-4 months the body starts to adjust to the high test by possibly producing less aromatize enzyme=less conversion? Just a thought.

As flats said its like an epidemic, are the anastrazole tabs overdosed nowadays?

Id love to try proviron instead of adex, when I cycled I did sust 750-1000mg a week while on proviron- 50mg a day I think- and I was fine. I did use a little nolva, but the cycle before I did 500mg a week and 25 mg proviron a day-no nolva- and was fine. Id have to look up my old posts to be sure, some of my doses may be off.

**jamotech** · 04-11-2012, 07:37 PM

Will be updating this thread next week, getting BW saturday. Ive been close to getting an E2 test prior, however Ive been trying to find the right dose... or ratio of ai to test. Been on the same protocol for about 4 weeks now so it should be an accurate test. Ive felt my E2 get low a few times in between, usually about the same time after taking the AI. Im confident the numbers will be better now on this test!

**bass** · 04-11-2012, 10:19 PM

good, i look forward to see your BW.

**jamotech** · 04-20-2012, 07:48 PM

Well, E2 sensitive assay came in at 53, I feel pretty good. I am also on a blast, taking the blast into consideration E2 is just slightly high imo. Id like to see how I feel in the 40's. Currently on 250mg test C a week, with .5 mg of adex a week, both split doses. I am going to take .75 mg a week adex now, .25 after each test dose, the other .25 will get split up somewhere during the week(ill probably try breaking them up into 1/8's). I thought about taking .5mg after each test shot for 1mg total a week, but feel great and only had a nip itch here and there, so 1mg will probably be too much . GD came in with some good info from his doc that an itch here and there isn't bad. Ill try and get tested in 4-6 weeks. Since I posted this thread ive monitored and adjusted just based on overall feel, it was hard to get a test that would show a 4 week period of a consistent protocol. This one was, also same day and time of the week.

Having slightly high E2 definitely feels better than low E2, seems like the best advice nowadays is to err on the

**bass** · 04-20-2012, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by jamotech

Well, E2 sensitive assay came in at 53, I feel pretty good. I am also on a blast, taking the blast into consideration E2 is just slightly high imo. Id like to see how I feel in the 40's. Currently on 250mg test C a week, with .5 mg of adex a week, both split doses. I am going to take .75 mg a week adex now, .25 after each test dose, the other .25 will get split up somewhere during the week(ill probably try breaking them up into 1/8's). I thought about taking .5mg after each test shot for 1mg total a week, but feel great and only had a nip itch here and there, so 1mg will probably be too much . GD came in with some good info from his doc that an itch here and there isn't bad. Ill try and get tested in 4-6 weeks. Since I posted this thread ive monitored and adjusted just based on overall feel, it was hard to get a test that would show a 4 week period of a consistent protocol. This one was, also same day and time of the week.

Having slightly high E2 definitely feels better than low E2, seems like the best advice nowadays is to err on the

1/8! lol. yes e2 not bad. youre lucky you don,t conver easy.

**jamotech** · 04-21-2012, 09:13 AM

Yea Bass, less ai the better!

**maelpj** · 08-21-2013, 03:55 PM

In a way isn't Arimidex better than Aromasin for the simple fact that recovering for a crashed e2 caused by Dex would be lot faster than a crashed e2 caused my Aro?

**jay adams** · 08-21-2013, 05:00 PM

I feel like I just took a time machine to the past. Neat reading you guys figuring this stuff out.

**bass** · 08-21-2013, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by maelpj

In a way isn't Arimidex better than Aromasin for the simple fact that recovering for a crashed e2 caused by Dex would be lot faster than a crashed e2 caused my Aro?

Aromasin has less sides, and it sway more $$$$$ than arimidex .

**Remington** · 08-21-2013, 06:00 PM

How do you know when your E3 levels have crashed?
What are the tell tale signs?
Other than bloodwork, is there a feeling one gets?

**bass** · 08-21-2013, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Remington

How do you know when your E3 levels have crashed?
What are the tell tale signs?
Other than bloodwork, is there a feeling one gets?

this has been discussed many times here, do some search I am sure you'll find lost of threads.

most prominent sides,

HIGH......
bloating,
low libido
tired
itchy nips (gyno if stays high for too long)

LOW......
achy joints
muscle pain and cramps
dry looking skin
low libido
low energy

**Bigboybodybuilder** · 01-04-2018, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Jamo I'm still recovering from it. I was at less than 3 at 1.5mg ai per week. Cut it in half, retested one month later at 5. Went totally off the ai and started Nolva. Next test one month later was at 15. Another month passed by and I just retested again. Results should be in tomorrow and I'm hoping to be in the 20's. Made a world of difference with joint pain/libido (there's a joke there.) Anyway, I highly recommend the serm to get you through this process if your having any sensitivity issues.

Crashing it happens fast. Restoring it takes time.

I know a old thread mate

What sides did u get with low e2 ?

I didn’t know if had low or high e2

Had no sex drive loss of appetite
Felt panic in mornings with anxiety

No morning wood or sex drive

Took 1 mg of arimidex before bed to see what
Would happen was a horribale night
Night sweats could not sleep at all but was so tired kinda felt scared to get out of bed

Was even taken cialis and was not working and been told cialis does not work with low e2

Got out of bed and injected 1500 ui of hcg and injected my t dose of 62.5 mg
Two hours later felt better and and had sex

Guess the hcg spiked my e2 to make me feel better

I think it so hard to tell from high and low even with bloods