New Bloodwork help

**fLgAtOr** · 02-08-2012, 08:22 PM

Hey folks,
Been a while, but I was wondering if someone could help me interpret this a bit. Got my results back from a late afternoon test (fasting). I've been experiencing a little soreness (always had a bit of fatty tissue there but this is new) and lethargy...decided to take a look.

Test, total 450ng/dL (range 250-1100)
Test, free 81.8pg/mL (46-224)
Test, bioavailable 182.4ng/dL (110-575)
Sex bind globulin 21nmol/L (10-50)
Albumin, serum 4.9g/dL (3.6-5.1)
FSH 16.9mIU/mL (1.6-8.0)
LH 9.2mIU/mL (1.5-9.3)

Estrone 38pg/mL (<= 68)
Estradiol 21pg/mL (<=29)

I'm 28 and have 3 previous cycles w/ PCT however, I did mess around with some PH when I was younger. From what I read in the sticky the test numbers might be a little low but the LH seems very high (as well as the FSH). Any ideas or observations?

**kelkel** · 02-08-2012, 09:47 PM

Soreness and fatty tissue where Flg? Did you leave it out or am I missing it? My first thought when seeing your fsh/lh levels is testicular issues. Any trauma or injuries there? Do you have any other recent tests showing rising lh/fsh and declining T levels? If so those could be signs of becoming primary hypogonadal.

**steroid.com 1** · 02-08-2012, 11:50 PM

Agree kel, looks like he's possibly Primary or headed that way...but he's still producing.

**Flier** · 02-09-2012, 05:43 AM

Candidate for a HCG cycle/burst.
Something like 2500iu x4 E3D might restore the leydigs. Worth a shot.

**fLgAtOr** · 02-09-2012, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Soreness and fatty tissue where Flg? Did you leave it out or am I missing it? My first thought when seeing your fsh/lh levels is testicular issues. Any trauma or injuries there? Do you have any other recent tests showing rising lh/fsh and declining T levels? If so those could be signs of becoming primary hypogonadal.

Sorry, probably should have been more descriptive. The soreness has been in my nips...for lack of a better term. Always had a little tissue there but have been able to keep it at bay during and post cycle. No injuries in the testes in the past. I am guilty of not getting bloodwork post cycle though, and this is my first test (I know I know). My last cycle was about 3 yrs ago. The last two years have been a struggle maintaining that lifestyle due to work and a few injuries (the usual excuses).

Out of nowhere though they started to have some soreness. Ive been very lethargic lately, but that in and of itself wouldn't prompt concern if I wasn't sleeping well or eating right, etc. I've been more sedentary than ever lately and diet has been unacceptable. I know that my first responsibility is to fix my lifestyle before taking anything, and that's on me.

My thought was make some adjustments in my lifestyle and then retest first thing in the morning. Think one month should be enough?

Flier, interesting that you mentioned HCG . I ran it in my last PCT and thought it was the best I felt. Very smooth PCT. (Of course no BW to back that up.) Would HCG work even if the LH was already high?

Thank you for all the responses; I really appreciate it.

**fLgAtOr** · 02-09-2012, 08:44 AM

Also, any idea why FSH would be so high? I keep trying to search but nothing is coming up.

EDIT: going to search for follicle stimulating....

**kelkel** · 02-09-2012, 09:01 AM

Your pituitary is ramping up production as it's not seeing the results it wants downstream.

**steroid.com 1** · 02-09-2012, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

your pituitary is ramping up production as it's not seeing the results it wants downstream.

exactly!

**Flier** · 02-09-2012, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by fLgAtOr

Sorry, probably should have been more descriptive. The soreness has been in my nips...for lack of a better term. Always had a little tissue there but have been able to keep it at bay during and post cycle. No injuries in the testes in the past. I am guilty of not getting bloodwork post cycle though, and this is my first test (I know I know). My last cycle was about 3 yrs ago. The last two years have been a struggle maintaining that lifestyle due to work and a few injuries (the usual excuses).

Out of nowhere though they started to have some soreness. Ive been very lethargic lately, but that in and of itself wouldn't prompt concern if I wasn't sleeping well or eating right, etc. I've been more sedentary than ever lately and diet has been unacceptable. I know that my first responsibility is to fix my lifestyle before taking anything, and that's on me.

My thought was make some adjustments in my lifestyle and then retest first thing in the morning. Think one month should be enough?

Flier, interesting that you mentioned HCG . I ran it in my last PCT and thought it was the best I felt. Very smooth PCT. (Of course no BW to back that up.) Would HCG work even if the LH was already high?

Thank you for all the responses; I really appreciate it.

Your LH/FSH levels are indicating testicular failure.
Present this to your doc, and get a prescription for HCG (Pregnyl)

**fLgAtOr** · 02-09-2012, 02:44 PM

Thanks gents. I have not told the doc about past usage and did the BW off the books. I'm a little concerned about the conversation, more for insurance reasons. Although he does start the drug questions with, "off the record."