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I have some dianabol 10mg tabs i purchased in the past laying around and i was thinking of instead of letting them go to waste if maybe i could try them for hrt instead of the 200mg propionate injection every 2 weeks. At 200mg every 2 weeks of propionate that would come to an average of roughly 14mg day ester and all. If i took 20mg dianabol daily instead would it be beneficial as hrt?
dianabol is not part of hrt in any shape or form... if you want to use it then you'll want to post in another forum.
Couple things on this ... HRT = "Hormone Repla***ent Therapy"; meaning bio identical hormones to replenish and balance out the body's hormones as if the endocrine system was functioning correctly. Nowhere can I find that dianabol will substitute as bio identical testosterone.
Secondly, it's an oral, which would be about as crummy of route to go for the long-term, even if it had bio identical features. Optimizing your well being on HRT is ultimately the goal, and well being will be hard to achieve when the liver gets pounded by a hepatotoxic compound like DBol. Short term front load stack for a AAS cycle of sort, might be the way to go. Long term (or even short term) alternative for HRT? Not even in the same ballpark.
Lastly, if you are on a medically supervised TRT protocol of 200mg/e2w of prop, you are truly on the protocol designed in hell! For starters, there's only about 84mg of actual medication per 100mg, 168mg/per 200mg. Not sure where your pulling the 14mg of daily release from it? However, that's somewhat irrelevant, as the half life is only 1 day to 1-1/2 days at best. So, by the 2nd day everything is tapering down and heading out the door. IMO, it would almost be like a patient taking a 200mg injection of cyp 1x per month. For HRT purposes, prop is a very poor choice to put it mildly. Some use Sustanon 250, which I'm not exactly a fan of either, but at least it does have some of the longer esters in it.
agree with guys above again
i'm actually thinking the op meant cypionate not propionate
but defining the term benefit...we dont even know where you are in your trt world...no bloodwork, no history, no stats/goals listed
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yes sorry i did mean cypionate. i was just curious if the dianabol may raise test levels as much or maybe more per day at 20mg day compared to cypionate 200mg every 2 weeks. figured it may raise test levels and make you feel more energetic at a low dose and alone since i read some people are given clomid for hrt with decent results.
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OK, this is getting more & more puzzling to me. First, thanks for clarifying (test, prop, easy to mess them up when on a doctor supervised TRT program). Anyways, if you're getting doctor supervised, 100% legal, GTG test cyp to maintain your levels, then why would anyone even think about screwing with some Dbol that's "laying around" as an alternative? Now, I have no idea what the sentence referring to the Clomid is all about? Clomid is not prescribed for HRT!! It's a compound used to help start up the HPT axis after being suppressed, as a means to get your own natural production working.Quote:
Originally Posted by eckstg
This makes no sense!
like i said
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im not really prescribed cyptionate 200mg every 2 weeks myself. a friend is and i have read i think that that is the usual hrt protocol? Im working on it by taking casodex at 75mg every other day so when i get my bloodwork done at doc office ill be low enough to maybe get the script. just hoping the indian casodex i bought is legit and itll be enough to lower me enough to get rx test. I just had some dianabol i bought from the past i thought might be useful to run at 20mg day to get enough benefit similiar to hrt opposed to nothing?
i did read from someone here that they was low test and prescribed clomid for hrt and that it did raise them to 600-800 on the test bloodwork scale that ranges 200-950 for a few months or so before it began to not work/respond so well before switching them to rx test. i couldnt find that thread at the moment sorry!
Simply put do you think 20mg daily dianabol would give benefit for someone who uses nothin else a surge in testosterone and energy like hrt for someone who is low?
i respect the answers i get from the vets here whether negative or positive. i am just dumb and curious on these matters.thanxs everyone for the responses!
you really need to find a good doctor on HRT. honestly you are far far far more likely to hurt yourself and your well being than help yourself. I urge you not to take this into your own hands because it is 100% clear you do not know what you are doing.
this is really the most helpful advice I can give you right now.
you really need to find a good doctor on HRT. honestly you are far far far more likely to hurt yourself and your well being than help yourself. I urge you not to take this into your own hands because it is 100% clear you do not know what you are doing.
this is really the most helpful advice I can give you right now.
Here is your answer; No, this compound will not benefit you! Everyone is telling you the same thing. It will only shut down your natural Test production, raise Estrogen levels & possibly cause irreversible damage to your system. If you want to explore TRT, become educated & seek further guidance from a medical professional.Quote:
Originally Posted by eckstg
Why can't people be just be straight up with us from the start?? I knew something was fishy when there was an apparent confusion between the cyp and prop. Anyone on doctor prescribed TRT knows (somewhat with pride) exactly what they're being prescribed. OP, no more misleading this board, OK? Everyone here is just volunteering their time, nobody needs to be sifting through the hidden pieces of the puzzle.
Not to gang up on you, but HRTstudent picked up on the obvious, which is it is clear that you have no idea what any of this stuff is about. Taking that Casodex is hormonal suicide! Someday, you will look back at all of this and think "WTF was I thinking!"
Here's an example of your lack of understanding with this. Casodex, as I see it, will totally suppress your HPTA, which will then shutdown LH & FSH production. However, you're curious about Clomid to be a treatment for HRT. If you would do some research, you would find that Clomid is used to restart the HPTA. So, in essence, you're going to damage your HPTA, then bring it back to normal again (or attempt to) with Clomid. An analogy would be as if you purposely decided to flatten a tire on your car (the tire being your HPTA), but then you just added air back to it to get it normal again. In the end, you're no further ahead, but you just spent a lot of unnecessary time going through all of these gyrations. However, now there's no guarantee that your HPTA will ever be as functional as it was before.
Please go see a doctor, be HONEST with him/her on what you're doing, and see if he/she can't get you back on track. This forum WILL NOT condone and contribute any advise to help anyone purposely damage their endocrine system for the purpose of attaining medical treatment.
thought i had him figured out from the get as well
fear of the flaming with no solutions to the question. sorry i shouldve just manned up at the start. from what i read of the casodex it seemed it stated most patients return to normal about 6 months upon quitting it. i was planning to do hcg for a month after my last pill and after bloodwork has been done. seems i could possibly get up to 200mg a week or more since your allowed to give yourself the injection at home and i could substitute my test with hcg and low enough amounts to possibly obtain a larger rx.Quote:
Why can't people be just be straight up with us from the start??
I just feel prescribed test would be a huge benefit to have. if all goes as planned ( which is rare) i can get rx test to keep my levels around 1000-1200 to possibly have more energy, sex drive, and maybe age slower since it appears the decline of test with age speeds the ageing process? i like to workout, build muscle and etc but i only want low amounts or repla***ent just to keep me around a male going through puberty for anti ageing purposes and maybe a better quality of life in the latter years.
doses of hcg and test around the high end of the usual rx seems the way to go to me which is way below bodybuilding and sport athletes use for their purposes which i do beleive takes a toll on them over time. small amounts of test on a regular basis appears to be a safe and good thing to me like 1 glass of wine before bed. but large amounts like 6 glasses of wine before bed will catch up with you.
but i think i understand what your trying to beat into my head is that upon recissitation of these drugs and without them i will never make it back to where i was before i started.im just gonna hope you are wrong. thanks for all your advice and responses though. i do respect all your input and thanks for taking your time to try and help and respond!
I love the internet forums and happy its so simple to get great advice with their use! This is a great board and even though theres alot of flaming etc (which should be expected since most here have a very high amount of adrogens running around in their system) it would be twerrible to not have it! Thanks everyone!