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**JD250** · 10-22-2012, 09:57 PM

I can appreciate "quality of care" but you know me, I'm not gonna rub my nose in your ass just because your name is "System Admin". Here are my concerns, first, your cost is 300% what I pay now, yes I get SOME stuff from india when I can but I don't believe your "Quality of care" marketing scheme justifies those costs. Second, if you care about mens health as much as you say then look into the insurance issue.....many men I know are suffering because they don't make the kind of money that I do and can't afford it plain and simple, I feel fortunate in that respect but I'm still a tight ass!!

If you can get my insurance to pay then I couldn't care less if you charged 4 million a year for the package. Thirdly and don't take this wrong as I'm a businessman also but I find it hard to trust a man who knowingly deceives young people with products like I see on the banner of this site in order to make a profit.......you asked for honest opinions, now you have mine, I wish you the best and if you can compete in my opinion, I would give you a try.

***system admin*** · 10-22-2012, 10:37 PM

Opinions are like assholes

Your math does not make sense with LEGAL Medical care.

You say you pay $800 (300% less than what we want to charge) for service?

Full panel blood test = $300 x 2 times a year =$600

Doctor Consultation = What value do you put on this? = Should we do this for free?

1 year of Drugs prescribed by a doctor and FDA approved meds = 3 bottles Testosterone , 6-10 bottles HCG , 48 tabs Arimidex , 4 bottle b-12, DHEA = $$Whats that worth from the pharmacy? Should we give you the medication just because?

Cost of Complete Medical Care with a certified physician? = Whats that worth?

Communication with medial staff during your treatment? = Value?

What do these things worth:

Medical insurance
Clinic Overhead (building, phones, supplies)
Staff
Marketing

Sounds like you just want to be "that guy" at the party. I do not mind constructive criticism, and no one here has to "rub their nose in my ass", but what exactly was the point of your post? The cost of these meds and this service take time and money. The care given by trained medical staff is worth something. Obtaining medications legally and safely has a clear advantage. I sell product that deceives young people? We have a 100% return policy. We don't make people buy our products and although its hard to understand, our company continues to GROW because our RETURN customer base continues to GROW. Although you don't like our products, it seems that hundreds of thousands of people do. Not everyone on our website are fully committed to using AAS and our product line is exactly the thing many people desire. Millions of people on this site do NOT share your views, but I appreciate you having the ones you do.

Again, what constructive criticism have you offered here? To me, it seems like your just being a dick, but thats just me. Its an open forum and your opinion of me and our ideas are welcome. Perhaps you should take the time to post your thoughts in a more appropriate forum or post?

My research has shown me that not only is our plan a solid one, its also priced better than any that I have found (for the care and treatment we intend on offering)

Bc

**warmouth** · 10-22-2012, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by system admin

Opinions are like assholes

Your math does not make sense with LEGAL Medical care.

You say you pay $800 (300% less than what we want to charge) for service?

Full panel blood test = $300 x 2 times a year =$600

Doctor Consultation = What value do you put on this? = Should we do this for free?

1 year of Drugs prescribed by a doctor and FDA approved meds = 3 bottles Testosterone , 6-10 bottles HCG , 48 tabs Arimidex , 4 bottle b-12, DHEA = $$Whats that worth from the pharmacy? Should we give you the medication just because?

Cost of Complete Medical Care with a certified physician? = Whats that worth?

Communication with medial staff during your treatment? = Value?

What do these things worth:

Medical insurance
Clinic Overhead (building, phones, supplies)
Staff
Marketing

Sounds like you just want to be "that guy" at the party. I do not mind constructive criticism, and no one here has to "rub their nose in my ass", but what exactly was the point of your post? The cost of these meds and this service take time and money. The care given by trained medical staff is worth something. Obtaining medications legally and safely has a clear advantage. I sell product that deceives young people? We have a 100% return policy. We don't make people buy our products and although its hard to understand, our company continues to GROW because our RETURN customer base continues to GROW. Although you don't like our products, it seems that hundreds of thousands of people do. Not everyone on our website are fully committed to using AAS and our product line is exactly the thing many people desire. Millions of people on this site do NOT share your views, but I appreciate you having the ones you do.

Again, what constructive criticism have you offered here? To me, it seems like your just being a dick, but thats just me. Its an open forum and your opinion of me and our ideas are welcome. Perhaps you should take the time to post your thoughts in a more appropriate forum or post?

My research has shown me that not only is our plan a solid one, its also priced better than any that I have found (for the care and treatment we intend on offering)

Bc

I agree here, andI have nothing against the poster. Seems like he was seeing how far he could go to get a response. I think this is a brilliant idea, for your sake and ours. As long as the doctors are aware that many of the clients use or have used AAS and are not going to judge or dismiss us. That is the most important thing. Many Drs will turn it into your insurance, stop treating you, give you the death and steriods spill, and are not educated on the subject.

**JD250** · 10-22-2012, 11:07 PM

Good points and well taken....and yes I am a dick at times, thanks for noticing. The constructive part of my criticism may have been hidden too deep in my opinions so I'll stick to the important stuff....LEGAL care doesn't mean squat to someone who can barely meet a deductible, having at least a portion of this covered is important and 99.9% of TRTers don't know anything about getting reimbursed from insurance.......we need help, period. Constructive enough?? I have no doubt in my mind that you will supply the best care possible, I believe you run the best site of this kind and will follow suit with your clinic. My apologies for the comments about your products, no doubt they are big hit with names like that, I don't share your enthusiasm about them, I'll keep that to myself but I think you can see where there may be a trust issue.

The comment about brown nosing is because so many fall in line with WHATEVER you say without reason or critical thinking....sorry, I'm a skeptic or as you say "that guy"........but if you come through I will be your biggest advocate!!

Thanks for letting me share my asshole.....I mean opinion

**steroid.com 1** · 10-22-2012, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by JD250

I can appreciate "quality of care" but you know me, I'm not gonna rub my nose in your ass just because your name is "System Admin". Here are my concerns, first, your cost is 300% what I pay now, yes I get SOME stuff from india when I can but I don't believe your "Quality of care" marketing scheme justifies those costs.
So admittedly you buy controlled substances illegally from overseas in clear violation of federal laws because of economic reasons or because your healthcare provider won't provide. The costs for overseas formulations will never compete with what we have here in the States for so many reasons. You have no idea what you are buying, you have no idea what you are putting into your body, the conditions it was formulated and manufactured in and most importantly not being purchased under a Physicians care from what you stated. I think there is something to be said for obtaining controlled substances legally from federally controlled pharmaceutical manufactures.

Second, if you care about mens health as much as you say then look into the insurance issue.....many men I know are suffering because they don't make the kind of money that I do and can't afford it plain and simple, I feel fortunate in that respect but I'm still a tight ass!!

If you can get my insurance to pay then I couldn't care less if you charged 4 million a year for the package.
Most insurance companies won't pay for the type of complete hormone replacement therapy that is required in many men. Things like aromatase inhibitors and HCG are off label or not on the formulary so no matter what the Doc writes it won't be covered. Now, there are certain circumstances where a Doc can write a letter to the insurance company to get special permission but imagine having to do that 1000 to 2000 times a month...makes no sense. Let's face it JD, an insurance company may cover transdermals where a man is clinically below the reference range but many of us are not that low but still have serious symptoms...and insurance won't cover it whether or not the Doc wants to or not. I hear ya man, but it's a tough argument to say the least.

Thirdly and don't take this wrong as I'm a businessman also but I find it hard to trust a man who knowingly deceives young people with products like I see on the banner of this site in order to make a profit.......you asked for honest opinions, now you have mine, I wish you the best and if you can compete in my opinion, I would give you a try.
I don't even understand this comment at all and it looks like a personal attack; it has nothing to do with the start up of a new clinic and looks more like a sucker punch just to make a point and hurts your credibility man...just my opinion anyways.

Above in bold.

**JD250** · 10-22-2012, 11:36 PM

No disrespect meant, I seem to have the need for a Dale Carnagie course, sometimes I just say or type what I'm thinking. ANY help with insurance would be HUGE........as I stated in my PM to you, there are so many guys out here that are living miserably because they can't afford more than a deductible, Again sorry for my initial and undeserved rant, I will be waiting and watching, I would also like to hear more about what you plan on doing with insurance education, this could be a huge selling point for you amongst people who are watching from the sidelines.

***system admin*** · 10-22-2012, 11:41 PM

Gdevine seems to know a LOT more about these issues than I do and from the sound of it, taking insurance is going to be something we are going to have to really focus on. As we learn more from the legal counsel, I will fill everyone in. Does not sound like its going to be that easy... we shall see.

**JD250** · 10-22-2012, 11:44 PM

I hear you GD but I don't concern myself with how many times someone has to write a letter, I'm making a valid point and there are thousands sick men who don't care how it all works either, they just want help.

My AI, tadalafil and other things are exactly what you buy from the same company....fake? So far so good.

Other points, well taken.

**steroid.com 1** · 10-22-2012, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by JD250

I hear you GD but I don't concern myself with how many times someone has to write a letter, I'm making a valid point and there are thousands sick men who don't care how it all works either, they just want help.

My AI, tadalafil and other things are exactly what you buy from the same company....fake? So far so good.

Other points, well taken.

I get this from a personal standpoint JD but you need to look at it from a business owners perspective; writing a few thousand letters to healthcare plans each and every month not only would send a giant red flag to the Feds but it's just not practical or efficient.

It's precisely why some of the top TRT Doc's don't/won't accept insurance as it would be a 110% pain in the ass each and every time they'd write the scripts that needed to be written and their business model would suffer the most equating to men not getting the care they need.

Just not practical right now...but it will change over time I believe.

**JD250** · 10-23-2012, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by gdevine

Just not practical right now...but it will change over time I believe.

Then that's where my hope falls bro. Appreciate your input and again sorry for my ranting.

**steroid.com 1** · 10-23-2012, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by JD250

Then that's where my hope falls bro. Appreciate your input and again sorry for my ranting.

Di nada mi amigo

**bass** · 10-23-2012, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by JD250

I can appreciate "quality of care" but you know me, I'm not gonna rub my nose in your ass just because your name is "System Admin". Here are my concerns, first, your cost is 300% what I pay now, yes I get SOME stuff from india when I can but I don't believe your "Quality of care" marketing scheme justifies those costs. Second, if you care about mens health as much as you say then look into the insurance issue.....many men I know are suffering because they don't make the kind of money that I do and can't afford it plain and simple, I feel fortunate in that respect but I'm still a tight ass!!

If you can get my insurance to pay then I couldn't care less if you charged 4 million a year for the package. Thirdly and don't take this wrong as I'm a businessman also but I find it hard to trust a man who knowingly deceives young people with products like I see on the banner of this site in order to make a profit.......you asked for honest opinions, now you have mine, I wish you the best and if you can compete in my opinion, I would give you a try.

no disrespect JD, but i totally disagree with your post. i have gone through clinics and doctors who screwed me up and paid way more than $2400 per year until i found a good doctor near me, now i pay half of that per year, but not everyone will have the luck i had by finding a good doc who really cares about the wellness of her patients. if i ever lose my doc i'll be the first inline to consult with this clinic. as for the banners in this site, are you serious?! you being a business man should never have made that comment.

respect.
Bass

**J DIESEL3** · 10-23-2012, 07:10 AM

I am for sure interested in using your hrt services.

I look forward to hearing more about this in the near future!

***system admin*** · 10-23-2012, 09:49 AM

We will continue to bounce ideas off of you all and keep you posted when new developments occur.

Please continue to vote if you care to give input. Thanks guys!

Bc

**APIs** · 10-23-2012, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by system admin

2. Our prices; (nothing is in stone at this point) Should average under $2400 a year for ALL meds, All Blood work (2 full panel annually), All Consultations (first face to face and any phone and internet), 24 hr concierge access to our medical staff (working out details). We do NOT want to price ourselves out of business and do NOT want to lack on customer care, but we DO have every intention of providing the best care at the best prices available.

This pricing is in line with what I currently pay for my TRT & 24 hour access to my Doctor (aka concierge medicine). This care covers all aspects of men's health too (i.e. common cold etc.). Since I've made this Doc my PCP, Oxford covers all the meds except HCG . I imagine your clients will need to do the same in order to run the meds through their insurance. I'm very happy with it, the only downside is he's out of state and it's difficult to run in for an office visit. Overall though, I find it works very well. As long as your practice covers all aspects of Men's Health (besides TRT) it sounds like you have a good platform so far...

**JD250** · 10-23-2012, 01:03 PM

Maybe you covered this somewhere and I missed it.........Are you using a compounding pharmacy that you will be affilliated with or just scripts for our local pharms to fill for us? The reason I ask about the compounding pharmacy if you are going to fill scripts for us is because it would be nice if we could get scripts that could be combined in a cream, ie DHEA/preg/etc....GD and a few others have this luxury with their docs now and quite honestly it's a very attractive idea for those who delve deeper than just Test/AI/HCG

**bullshark99** · 10-23-2012, 01:04 PM

I beleive your pricing to be not only fair but very competitive. Im kicking more than that now using an out of state clinic, I have to use this site and the knowledge of other members because the clinic doesnt give a rats ass about me, they just want to sell product. Im not the lone ranger here either, how many others are being mislead??? Im in this journey because of money and greed, and my stupidity. If you come thru with your clinic for ballpark what you are suggesting, Im second in line behind GD.

**bass** · 10-23-2012, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by APIs

This pricing is in line with what I currently pay for my TRT & 24 hour access to my Doctor (aka concierge medicine). This care covers all aspects of men's health too (i.e. common cold etc.). Since I've made this Doc my PCP, Oxford covers all the meds except HCG. I imagine your clients will need to do the same in order to run the meds through their insurance. I'm very happy with it, the only downside is he's out of state and it's difficult to run in for an office visit. Overall though, I find it works very well. As long as your practice covers all aspects of Men's Health (besides TRT) it sounds like you have a good platform so far...

good suggestion API! also offering pain management would be great!

**bullshark99** · 10-23-2012, 01:08 PM

Pain management????? Your on to something there Bass!

***system admin*** · 10-23-2012, 01:29 PM

Very good posts guys!

We will be using a compounding pharmacy and can cater to just about EVERYTHING you will need for your "wellness". Please understand, these services are NOT going to be cookie cutter. They will be tailored to EACH of our clients. I am not a doctor, so I need to be careful as to what I say, but our vision is to TAKE CARE OF OUR CLIENTS to the best of our ability. We will understand the problems that AAS use has caused in our clients. We will be "listening" to your issues and we will be dedicated to working with you to bring you back to optimal levels for all hormone issues.

As for pain management, that is a subject we are not working on at the moment. I have several friends who not only own these pain management clinics, but also the pharmacy and I can tell you first hand that they have had NOTHING but problems because 90% of their client base are doctor "shoppers" and are under a lot of pressure from the governing forces. Many other people I know have either closed the doors of these clinics OR they have converted their clinics to more of a family practice that deals with many typical issues as well as some HRT.

When I think of a doctor, I think of someone who will be listening to my concerns and who will have the expertise to remedy them. That is what I am working to create. We want to "specialize" in HRT and want to make sure that we can cover ALL aspects of those issues. Broadening that goal will just distract us from our target idea.

**TennTarheel** · 10-23-2012, 01:36 PM

Yeah, prescribing hormones and roxys would make you a huge target for the DEA. Just saying. They would have you jumping through so many hoops, it wouldn't even be worth it. Plus, that would add a toootally errr..different clientele than what you are looking for.

**LevMyshkin** · 10-23-2012, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by system admin

Very good posts guys!

When I think of a doctor, I think of someone who will be listening to my concerns and who will have the expertise to remedy them. That is what I am working to create. We want to "specialize" in HRT and want to make sure that we can cover ALL aspects of those issues. Broadening that goal will just distract us from our target idea.

I'm in the DFW area, however, the clinician at my TRT clinic just left and they're bringing in a new guy. Unfortunately, I have to go in once/week for my shot - they won't allow self administration. However, I'd be more than happy to take a trip to Houston every so often provided I could self administer and yall took my insurance.

I think the TRT clinic business is going to keep booming. It's a solid business model and provides care that guys like us on this board really need. Best of luck to you!

**rd27** · 10-23-2012, 02:45 PM

I think your poll answers kind of limit (and skew your results).

Take price/insurance for example, I don't think many folks would expect the "best price", just a reasonable price. And some would be ok with you not taking insurance if the price was reasonable. I'll add, people searching for the best price is not really the core customer base you want - though some pro gratis work might be good (for the community and your rep).

I think maybe you want to instead poll on what dimensions folks care about the most - price, convenience, travel, expertise, ability to work with existing doctor, cute nurses

, etc.

Just something to think about.,,

d

**rd27** · 10-23-2012, 02:50 PM

Oh, and I would add that its important to take visible steps to ensure the forum is perceived as an open forum rather than promotion vehicle. Just something to think about, its common gotcha for groups/forums that naturally become associated with products/services for their communities.

d

**Torqued** · 10-23-2012, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by system admin

We are looking to be in or near North Houston.

Inside or outside the loop?

**bass** · 10-23-2012, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by system admin

Very good posts guys!

We will be using a compounding pharmacy and can cater to just about EVERYTHING you will need for your "wellness". Please understand, these services are NOT going to be cookie cutter. They will be tailored to EACH of our clients. I am not a doctor, so I need to be careful as to what I say, but our vision is to TAKE CARE OF OUR CLIENTS to the best of our ability. We will understand the problems that AAS use has caused in our clients. We will be "listening" to your issues and we will be dedicated to working with you to bring you back to optimal levels for all hormone issues.

As for pain management, that is a subject we are not working on at the moment. I have several friends who not only own these pain management clinics, but also the pharmacy and I can tell you first hand that they have had NOTHING but problems because 90% of their client base are doctor "shoppers" and are under a lot of pressure from the governing forces. Many other people I know have either closed the doors of these clinics OR they have converted their clinics to more of a family practice that deals with many typical issues as well as some HRT.

When I think of a doctor, I think of someone who will be listening to my concerns and who will have the expertise to remedy them. That is what I am working to create. We want to "specialize" in HRT and want to make sure that we can cover ALL aspects of those issues. Broadening that goal will just distract us from our target idea.

okay then I'll just stick with my MSM. LOL!

***system admin*** · 10-23-2012, 04:47 PM

Lev, Our clients would be able to self administer and until we learn more, I think you only have to have a face to face with us 1 time. All other consultations can be via phone or internet and your lab work can be sent to us from your area (which we would set up for you)

Torqued, the location has not yet been found, but most likely outside the loop.

**LevMyshkin** · 10-23-2012, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by system admin

Lev, Our clients would be able to self administer and until we learn more, I think you only have to have a face to face with us 1 time. All other consultations can be via phone or internet and your lab work can be sent to us from your area (which we would set up for you)

Man, that would be perfect for guys like me. And to have that convenience, I wouldn't mind the drive down I-45 at all.

***system admin*** · 10-23-2012, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by LevMyshkin

Man, that would be perfect for guys like me. And to have that convenience, I wouldn't mind the drive down I-45 at all.

Take 59!!!!!!! I would only drive down 45 if the treatment was FREE! haha!!

**RaginCajun** · 10-24-2012, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by LevMyshkin

Man, that would be perfect for guys like me. And to have that convenience, I wouldn't mind the drive down I-45 at all.

Originally Posted by system admin

Take 59!!!!!!! I would only drive down 45 if the treatment was FREE! haha!!

hahahaha!!!!

**Brohim** · 10-24-2012, 10:39 AM

I live in Spring so driving down 45 is a regular thing for me, unfortunately

**TheSpoonyBard** · 10-24-2012, 11:10 AM

It's funny because in a post of mine regarding prolactin, some of the guys and myself were discussing clinics that accepted insurance. For someone like myself who is bound by insurance because out of pocket funds are limited to nil, a clinic such as yours would be invaluable. Please please take insurance, so I can get on a protocol that is effective and safe! Bump for votes people!

**Renholder** · 10-24-2012, 11:21 AM

If you could offer consultation over the internet or per telephone, I would be very interested!

Any plans about that?

***system admin*** · 10-24-2012, 02:59 PM

Consultations can be done over the phone and internet, BUT you have to see us face to face before you can be treated with medication. After that it SEEMS we can consult via phone and skype. Testosterone is a controlled substance and the Fl. clinics who are handing out testosterone, deca , anadrol , winstrol , etc and giving MUCH more than a reasonable dosage is killing it for everyone.

It takes 1 day to get here and back and you are under our care for as long as you want to be. Not only that, but we have worked out a way to absorb the cost of the airfare to get you here and back. Its worth 1 day of your year

**LevMyshkin** · 10-24-2012, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by system admin

Consultations can be done over the phone and internet, BUT you have to see us face to face before you can be treated with medication. After that it SEEMS we can consult via phone and skype. Testosterone is a controlled substance and the Fl. clinics who are handing out testosterone, deca , anadrol , winstrol , etc and giving MUCH more than a reasonable dosage is killing it for everyone.

It takes 1 day to get here and back and you are under our care for as long as you want to be. Not only that, but we have worked out a way to absorb the cost of the airfare to get you here and back. Its worth 1 day of your year

Do you plan to or have you considered including HGH in addition to the test therapy?

**Renholder** · 10-25-2012, 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by system admin

Consultations can be done over the phone and internet, BUT you have to see us face to face before you can be treated with medication. After that it SEEMS we can consult via phone and skype. Testosterone is a controlled substance and the Fl. clinics who are handing out testosterone, deca , anadrol , winstrol , etc and giving MUCH more than a reasonable dosage is killing it for everyone.

It takes 1 day to get here and back and you are under our care for as long as you want to be. Not only that, but we have worked out a way to absorb the cost of the airfare to get you here and back. Its worth 1 day of your year

Well, it certainly depends on the price, since I don`t have insurance, but I am interested. Would you be adressing the thyroid, adrenals, etc, as well?

Thanks,

Renholder

**rollingthunder** · 10-25-2012, 11:59 AM

i think there is tremendous demand for this type of thing. if it is done correctly, i think it can help a tremendous number of men (women too?) and be a very profitable business as well. (Profit is good!) i personally am able to get what i want/need for my TRT treatment right now. HOWEVER, it has taken me 4 years, ton of reading/research (much learning here at the forum! thanks!) and a couple doctors. i started from scratch, knowing NOTHING!

if i found myself in need of a new physician for some reason, i would seriously consider making a trip to houston for treatment.

if there was an option like what you are talking about here that was available 4 years ago, it would have saved me alot of time. i think that savings is easily worth the money being talked about here, especially for the initial set up. my guess is that ongoing treatment would be somewhat less expensive.

as far as the insurance issue, none of my treatments are covered by insurance. i'm fortunate to be in a financial position that allows me to get his treatment without the cost being an issue. however, i also place a priority on my health and am willing to spend money on it. how many guys who complain "i can't afford it if it's not covered by insurance" really COULD afford it but actually mean "it is not a priority for me."?

**rollingthunder** · 10-25-2012, 12:01 PM

oh, another thought...how would this clinic be different than john crisler's clinic in michigan?

***system admin*** · 10-25-2012, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by rollingthunder

oh, another thought...how would this clinic be different than john crisler's clinic in michigan?

It would be a LOT cheaper and a LOT more professional. NO hidden fees and the customer support will be 1000 times better. We have a huge community that we will have to impress. That will lead to a better run clinic KNOWING that we will have a large community that will be watching us.

We WILL be dealing with HGH as well as ALL thyroid, adrenals, etc... Complete care for Men. We will focus on women down the road.

**HRTstudent** · 10-28-2012, 02:33 PM

I would be interested, but like many people I have insurance and could not justify nor afford to go thousands out of pocket for additional medical services.