Are you interested in becoming a client of our LowTestosterone.com Clinic?

**j2048b** · 10-28-2012, 05:35 PM

interested pending total $, available compounds, and if we can get bloods done with our own insurance from locally and then sent in, then yes, but mainly cost, and i know u get what u pay for but if they are a very reputable company than u will always get the best no matter the cost,

and also how long the supply will last and how quick it will get refilled and delivered....

also is it cyp, enthanenate (sp) cyp is usally cheaper but it shouldnt be,

**HRTstudent** · 10-28-2012, 07:41 PM

Brings up an interesting point...

whether or not you must use an in-house/specific pharmacy would turn away a lot of people.

**slopike** · 10-29-2012, 05:10 PM

I'd certainly consider it, but I am in the education process and finding a local would be the best of both worlds. But given this forum, I think it would be a strong consideration.

**slopike** · 10-29-2012, 05:35 PM

When do you plan to open your practice? perhaps it will be at the same time my education process reaches a sufficient level to decide? Do you recommend though getting lab work first? I know my current primary care is one of those that says...it's the natural part of aging...face it, you are getting older" I don't have the time to try this dr and that dr to finally find a doctor. If I can go to a clinic and get what I want, administered by someone with indpeth knowledge. I am in....(already voted). You said you are not a dr. Will their be a dr on staff? Thanks...

**dan991** · 10-29-2012, 07:34 PM

I'm in providing its priced reasonably. I do have a couple concerns:

1. I'd want to get my own test from CVS, Walgreens, etc....
2. No problem flying to TX once or twice a year but more than that can be a pain.
3. I travel A LOT for work.... need to have the paperwork with me because TSA can sometimes be off the hook.
4. Be reasonable.... like the upfront costs ESPECIALLY for those of us that already have a TRT program in place. Crissler's biggest downfall is that he charges a ridiculous amount for initial consultation. Don't like feeling like I'm getting screwed. I don't mind paying normal doc office charges but $500.00 to talk to a doc via the internet is well... a total scam.
5. Consider skipping the first trip to Houston if longer term TRT patients have the medical records, give preliminary bloods, etc. I would wait to till I absolutely needed to get a new doc before I board a trip to Houston... but I'd gladly provide the last years worth of medical records from my current doc and pay for the review of them, etc.

**dan991** · 10-29-2012, 07:45 PM

Oh yea... also try and be supportive of other small issues outside of just TRT. For example, when I had an ear infection I went to my TRT doc. Not only does he help with TRT issues but he also handles most minor health issues. Granted if I break my leg he's gonna send me elsewhere to get XRay's and a cast or whatever, but when I get an ear infection I go in and he checks that out and I leave with a script for antibiotics. More like a "Men's Health" clinic than just a TRT clinic. I love my doc's office and the only issue I have is that you must go in weekly for injections. Its only a few miles from my house so it hasn't been that problematic however with my work schedule having a script I can fill at CVS anywhere in the country would be a lot easier for me. Right now when I know I have work travel and can't make my weekly appointment I get a preloaded injection for the road and take it myself as normally scheduled. I like seeing a doc weekly and getting a full work up on shot day (BP, problems review, etc) but at the same time it can be a total PIA.

Taking insurance is great. I have insurance and my doc takes insurance, but I still pay cash ($300 a month) because I'd rather my employer not know my business.

***system admin*** · 10-29-2012, 09:52 PM

I honestly believe that the people who care about what brand of drug they are getting vs. their health being treated will be minimal. There is a business plan in place here and if we dont make money on the consultations, blood work, or the meds, what reason would it be to go into business? We would be better off offering it like planned parent hood, however we dont have govt funds

lol

Like most business, you can not please everyone, but you can build it to make the most effective to the masses. We are going to do our best to make it affordable, easy, and as convenient as we can.

***system admin*** · 10-29-2012, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by dan68131

Oh yea... also try and be supportive of other small issues outside of just TRT. For example, when I had an ear infection I went to my TRT doc. Not only does he help with TRT issues but he also handles most minor health issues. Granted if I break my leg he's gonna send me elsewhere to get XRay's and a cast or whatever, but when I get an ear infection I go in and he checks that out and I leave with a script for antibiotics. More like a "Men's Health" clinic than just a TRT clinic. I love my doc's office and the only issue I have is that you must go in weekly for injections. Its only a few miles from my house so it hasn't been that problematic however with my work schedule having a script I can fill at CVS anywhere in the country would be a lot easier for me. Right now when I know I have work travel and can't make my weekly appointment I get a preloaded injection for the road and take it myself as normally scheduled. I like seeing a doc weekly and getting a full work up on shot day (BP, problems review, etc) but at the same time it can be a total PIA.

Taking insurance is great. I have insurance and my doc takes insurance, but I still pay cash ($300 a month) because I'd rather my employer not know my business.

Thats exactly right about your insurance. Once mine found out, my premiums went up big time. Our target is $200 a month for ALL blood, meds, consults. No hidden fees or charges.

**10nispro** · 10-29-2012, 10:30 PM

I would be interested as long as everything is spelled out and up front. If its run like this forum then I have not doubt it will be a well oiled, smooth running business that will please the needs of its clients as well as be profitable to the owners and investors(shoot me an email if you need more). I agree with asking the input of the trusted members on here as well. It proves to me y'all are trying to put clients first and help them with a sensitive issue that alot of doctor's dont know about or consider a money maker without giving a crap about the wellbeing of its clients.

As for me, I do have insurance but have never used it for hrt, fearing they will raise premiums. But If it will help in cost and I will have confidence in my care then I will definitely look at both using the insurance and/or just using cash. Maybe give a slight discount for CASH only paying clients. I also like the idea of being able to have small aches, pains, or infections diagnosed and possibly treated.

Like i said earlier, if things are spelled out and most questions can be or will be answered in a professional and honest manner, I will do business with your possibly new company.

**dan991** · 10-29-2012, 11:55 PM

So what's wrong with still charging $200 a month but I can get the stuff from a local place? I don't get why it has to come from the docs and not the usual place you go for everything else?

**dan991** · 10-29-2012, 11:58 PM

If I have an ear ache, and the doc checks it out and says yep you have an ear infection... 99% of the time I'm handed a piece of paper to take to the store. Why is TRT any different?

**MuscleInk** · 10-30-2012, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by dan68131

If I have an ear ache, and the doc checks it out and says yep you have an ear infection... 99% of the time I'm handed a piece of paper to take to the store. Why is TRT any different?

Not sure I follow the question, but from a medical point of view, treating low T is not the same as treating an ear infection with antibiotics. Treating low T (or TRT) requires medical supervision and regular follow-up visits to (1) assess efficacy and (2) monitor patient safety. Administration of an endogenous hormone like testosterone , in any form (pellets, topicals, injections) will have a number of effects even at low doses which require medical supervision. Moreover, unlike treating an infection which is short term, TRT is often long term/permanent so a patient should be seen regularly by a licensed professional to assess outcomes and provide secondary treatment to offset any side effects. Routine assessments frequently include regular blood work, demographics, history, and occasionally a physical exam. So TRT is a little more involved than writing a prescription and sending a patient on his way.

I hope that addresses your question. My apologies however if I have missed your point and gone off on a tangent.

MI

**dan991** · 10-30-2012, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Not sure I follow the question, but from a medical point of view, treating low T is not the same as treating an ear infection with antibiotics. Treating low T (or TRT) requires medical supervision and regular follow-up visits to (1) assess efficacy and (2) monitor patient safety. Administration of an endogenous hormone like testosterone , in any form (pellets, topicals, injections) will have a number of effects even at low doses which require medical supervision. Moreover, unlike treating an infection which is short term, TRT is often long term/permanent so a patient should be seen regularly by a licensed professional to assess outcomes and provide secondary treatment to offset any side effects. Routine assessments frequently include regular blood work, demographics, history, and occasionally a physical exam. So TRT is a little more involved than writing a prescription and sending a patient on his way.

I hope that addresses your question. My apologies however if I have missed your point and gone off on a tangent.

MI

I think you missed what I was asking..... agreed on everything you said in the post though. My point was why is it a requirement at some TRT places to get the stuff from them. For example; when I need antibiotics for a medical issue... the doc sends me home with a piece of paper to get it filled. Yet, some TRT places require you to buy only from them. I'm questioning the motives behind being forced to buy from them.

**HRTstudent** · 10-30-2012, 12:40 PM

$200 dollars a month is steep. I'll be very upfront about this and say this clinic will be out of contention for me providing something doesn't go seriously awry with my current situation.

That's over 2,000 dollars a year for a drug that costs me $10 with insurance or around 70-80 out of pocket and lasts most people 2-3 months. This is just sounding very expensive when you can access other experts in the field for similar or less...

**j2048b** · 10-30-2012, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by HRTstudent

$200 dollars a month is steep. I'll be very upfront about this and say this clinic will be out of contention for me providing something doesn't go seriously awry with my current situation.

That's over 2,000 dollars a year for a drug that costs me $10 with insurance or around 70-80 out of pocket and lasts most people 2-3 months. This is just sounding very expensive when you can access other experts in the field for similar or less...

depending on what is included within that 200, but better than going to an UGL for the cheaper stuff, cause u can get shit cheap, if ur willing to gamble that they know how to cook???

NOPE ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE!! most doctors WILL not help anyone if their test numbers are not like dealthy below the norm, where as mine sit at 348-377, 348 is considered low by labcorp i believe, and now they r at 377, and my doc specifically said ur fine.. i wont prescribe it, ul have to stay with ur current clinic, now my wife and i both have seperate insurances so we pay double each month to cover our asses, and then to have a doc not approve it, oh ok so its fine that im a full grown ass man who just happens to start crying while working on vehicles in the "man garage" for no damn reason, or my moods swing from happy to ill kill u thru out the day, and there are so many other issues, and yet ?200 is expensive? it might be to someone who found doctor who actually gives a shit... for the rest of us, 200 is ****ing change!! for the amount of change u will get... come on now u cant compare insurance to a clinic,

**HRTstudent** · 10-30-2012, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by j2048b

depending on what is included within that 200, but better than going to an UGL for the cheaper stuff, cause u can get shit cheap, if ur willing to gamble that they know how to cook???

NOPE ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE!! most doctors WILL not help anyone if their test numbers are not like dealthy below the norm, where as mine sit at 348-377, 348 is considered low by labcorp i believe, and now they r at 377, and my doc specifically said ur fine.. i wont prescribe it, ul have to stay with ur current clinic, now my wife and i both have seperate insurances so we pay double each month to cover our asses, and then to have a doc not approve it, oh ok so its fine that im a full grown ass man who just happens to start crying while working on vehicles in the "man garage" for no damn reason, or my moods swing from happy to ill kill u thru out the day, and there are so many other issues, and yet ?200 is expensive? it might be to someone who found doctor who actually gives a shit... for the rest of us, 200 is ****ing change!! for the amount of change u will get... come on now u cant compare insurance to a clinic,

I'm really not following your argument. Nobody advocates black market drugs here. And if that's what someone is debating then it's better to pay big bucks or even do nothing of course... black market drugs and self-treating is not TRT.

**j2048b** · 10-30-2012, 04:39 PM

No i meant most people go with the safest alternative to insurance when their docs wont approve their trt, and some choose the unsafest route wich is the other route...

So 200 is nothing when ur doctor wont aprove u when ur low but to them not low enough,

It seems like they havent been updated with the new lows and highs of the labs

Thats all i meant, never meant to use the other services....but some opt to because of cost

Sorry for the confusion, hope u re read my post because i put a lot more into it then just mentioning the other stuff

***system admin*** · 10-30-2012, 04:57 PM

Good luck getting HRT approved by your insurance. In HRT students case, he is lucky, but MOST will NOT get covered. $200 a month "turn key" care, is NOTHING when you are not covered by insurance (in comparison to most clinics)

***system admin*** · 10-30-2012, 05:00 PM

I'd like to add one more thing to this. If you turn in HRT to your insurance, you will likely see a big jump in premiums and it will be on your permanent medical record which many people do not want.

**MuscleInk** · 10-30-2012, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by dan68131

I think you missed what I was asking..... agreed on everything you said in the post though. My point was why is it a requirement at some TRT places to get the stuff from them. For example; when I need antibiotics for a medical issue... the doc sends me home with a piece of paper to get it. Yet, some TRT places require you to buy only from them. I'm questioning the motives behind being forced to buy from them.

Sorry. I thought I HAD addressed this. As I said, treating low T isn't like treating an infection. Hormonal manipulation is serious stuff. You don't just send a patient off with a script, a set of instructions and hope everything will be honky dory. Patients need to be followed and cases reviewed, regular check ups and BW done to assure the patient is (1) responding to therapy and (2) side effects are minimal or treated as they present.

I'm not sure how many pharmacies stock injectable esters. I suspect the topicals are more common. Thus, in many cases, the injectable would be administered to the patient at the HRT clinic or given in syringes for the patient to self dose weekly/monthly at home (although personally I'd rather treat the patient in clinic than have them self treat at home for reasons of safety and disposal of used syringes).

HRT clinics are a business model. There is an unmet need, and these businesses, under the supervision of licensed medical staff, provide services to meet this need. It's not entirely different from breast augmentation clinics. Plastic surgeons could just as easily operate under the auspices of a hospital or academic center; many do not. Why? There is a need and an economic opportunity for the provider - i.e. operate a clinical profit center. Keeping with this example, many breast clinics treat patients who pay for these procedures completely out of pocket because in the majority of cases, breast augmentation is cosmetic, not clinically necessary (the exception being patients that have had mastectomies to remove pathological lesions).

In my experience, this is the norm for many HRT clinics:
- independently/group owned and operated
- largely cash paying patients
- patients treated IN clinic
- fees cover: tx, f/u, Dx tests, ancillaries
- staffed by Med Director, PAs, RN/LVN

Hopefully I've done a better job at addressing the question. If not, my apologies.

MI

***system admin*** · 10-30-2012, 05:40 PM

very good response

**MuscleInk** · 10-30-2012, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by system admin

very good response

Thanks. You have my support. I think it's a good decision and still a growing market.

**joebailey1271** · 10-31-2012, 07:11 AM

Yeah sign me up, tired of going to florida

***system admin*** · 10-31-2012, 07:14 AM

Being in Houston may be a good thing for you Joe! lol We are working hard to get this going asap

**joebailey1271** · 10-31-2012, 07:15 AM

2000 aint bad, i been paying 2000 every 6 monthes just for trt and all the other meds,

**joebailey1271** · 10-31-2012, 07:17 AM

heck yeah, only good thing about using the florida location is i get to take a small vacation from my lady, i just tell her its medical, u know,

**bullshark99** · 10-31-2012, 07:52 AM

To the system admin, just one opinion (mine) but when you talk 200 dollars a month for ALL meds, BW, consultation/feedback and maybe not most important but very important NO BULLSHIT in trying to peddle products, supplements and so forth that are purely being done for profit, not to mention may be dangeroues to one's health. For me, there is nothing to think about, I'm there. My only concern, almost sounds too good to be true?? I like to save a buck as much as the next guy but assumming one could afford it, this is no place to be cutting away the "Fat" by trying to save a few bucks. I get it that a few here are set up awfully nice with the VA or with their insurance so their cost is minimal, however, I would wager that most of us (myself included) pay the lions share out of pocket. So, if you get this done they way you are envisioning it, ballpark with the cost, not only am I in, but I want in on the IPO when the time comes!!!!!! Yeah, I really feel not only is this a viable bus model, but done properly you could be the Cats ass in the United states as time goes by. Good luck and count me in.

**human project** · 10-31-2012, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by system admin

Hey guys! As you may know, we are working on opening up our own HRT clinic and will be servicing people from all over the world. We would love to find out how many people would be interested in using us.

Our clinic will be located in Houston, Tx just minutes away from 2 major airports. We will be offering a special to our clients of either: (These are preliminary figures, but should be close)

(This would be the clients choice)
A FREE round trip airfare credit
OR
Free in office Consultation

The total price of our services are aimed at being the lowest around, but without sacrificing health or customer service.

Please feel free to ask questions and keep bumped to get feed back.

PM me some info. I've been looking for a good hormone replacement center... Even if its just for testing and consultation. I'm in the Houston area quite often also.

**human project** · 10-31-2012, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by system admin

Funny you say that because I am having a hard time deciding what type of office I want to build. As a perfectionist who is severely OCD, I want perfection and in my head, I have some really bad ass clinic in mind. However, at the end of the day... what is more important? A bad ass clinic that looks like a place rich people send their wives to get plastic surgery, OR a bad ass clinic that is bad ass because of the care we give our clients? I mean, what do you really need accept for a clean clinic with several exam rooms and a room to keep our records, lab equipment (we will have our own lab equipment which will give us the BW results in 10 minutes), and an office or two?

Its cool to talk to all of you during the building phase of all of this. I am the first to say that we have a lot to do, but at the same time, its going to be cool to see it when its all under way.

Put a gym in it.

**human project** · 10-31-2012, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by thespoonybard

i would kill fora lace like yours anywhere near me. A place that i could go that understands and cares for men, and doesn't discount their concerns and questions like i'm some sort of moron. Treat me like a human being and dont be afraid to work with me, at least hear out my suggestions, and provide the proper testing needed to accrue crucial treatment data. Ah...if only. Seriously though, i feel like i'm being harmed by my doc right now and having someplace to go like what you guys are setting up would be a godsend for a lot of guys in my same boat, instead of trying all different specialists. Please, please, please take my insurance and fly me to texas for treatment. My testicles are screaming for help! Lol

x2........

***system admin*** · 11-01-2012, 11:54 PM

Sorry, i have been out for a few days and am traveling.

This clinic is 100% for real. No hidden agenda. No up-sells on other products. I have spent nearly every available minute on this business and all of this is no fairytale. I literally have a team of lawyers working on this and we are in the process of applying for many of my licenses, which will be needed to put this on the level that I have in mind. I will be the first to tell you that although all of the particulars have not been worked out yet, I have been green lighted by my lawyers that my plan is golden and MANY things have taken place that are better than expected.

The company is: Low Testosterone , LLC

Think about the potential of this from our standpoint IF YOU DOUBT me. We have the 2 best domains in the world for this business (LowTestosterone.com and HormoneReplacementTherapy.com), We have over 5 million viewers each month who have or are planning on using AAS and due to their abuse and many will require life long treatment and or help getting their bodies hormones back in order, we have capital to invest, we have one of the biggest health care law firms in the country backing us to make sure we are 100% compliant, and we have been given access to a massive network of doctors.

This is real and we are going to do our best to provide a real service to the people who need it AND we are going to do it for the best prices possible. As we get things further in place, you guys will be some of the first to know. This has already been set into motion and we have already gone to far to turn around.... although we have no desire to do so anyway lol!

For the record: The company is being created to help provide REAL health care. This is NOT an all access pass to Testosterone and other HRT meds. There will be protocols and guidelines. No part of Steroid .com or its parent company will ownership.

I will keep you posted and as always, look for any feed back any of you have.

Bc

***system admin*** · 11-02-2012, 12:00 AM

One more thing. The last meeting with the lawyers was not a good one for those of you who want to use your insurance. We CAN provide help in guiding you through the submission process with your insurance company, but due to most insurance companies NOT covering HRT or Low Testosterone issues, it is not looking like we are going to take it. This is pretty much standard for this type of treatment. HOWEVER, that is ALL the more reason why we are doing EVERYTHING we can to help reduce the cost and pass the savings onto the clients. We are going to make this easy. Lowest price, BEST customer service, and above all the BEST medical care.

Stay tuned. I will keep you all posted.

**Torqued** · 11-02-2012, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by system admin

One more thing. The last meeting with the lawyers was not a good one for those of you who want to use your insurance. We CAN provide help in guiding you through the submission process with your insurance company, but due to most insurance companies NOT covering HRT or Low Testosterone issues, it is not looking like we are going to take it. This is pretty much standard for this type of treatment. HOWEVER, that is ALL the more reason why we are doing EVERYTHING we can to help reduce the cost and pass the savings onto the clients. We are going to make this easy. Lowest price, BEST customer service, and above all the BEST medical care.

Stay tuned. I will keep you all posted.

That's a bit discouraging. Any thoughts on possibly using "flex spending" healthcare account $? I'll have to dig into the info on my plan, but this might be another possible avenue for people vs paying with dollars that have already been "taxed".

**Wes201** · 11-02-2012, 10:43 AM

If you ever open up an office in the tri-state area, you can count me in.

**Wes201** · 11-02-2012, 10:49 AM

If you ever open up an office in the tri-state area, you can count me in.

***system admin*** · 11-05-2012, 10:31 AM

UPDATE!!!!!

We are working on a deal where we would be able to service EVERY CITY and you will NOT have to fly!!

This may already be getting bigger than we ever imagined. Will keep you posted!

Bc

**Torqued** · 11-05-2012, 10:57 AM

I'm in Houston, but that is a pretty cool update. Looking forward to hearing more.

**kelkel** · 11-05-2012, 11:02 AM

B it would be good to have in place the pre-filled forms required by the major insurers. This way the patients will have a much easier time when it comes to self-submitting and reimbursement. If, when receiving their meds they were handed exactly what was required it will make it much more palatable for your clients, IMHO. A compounding pharmacy I have to use for a particular item does just this. It's basically bring it home, sign it and mail it in. Simple.

kel

**austinite** · 11-05-2012, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by system admin

UPDATE!!!!!

We are working on a deal where we would be able to service EVERY CITY and you will NOT have to fly!!

This may already be getting bigger than we ever imagined. Will keep you posted!

Bc

But I wanna fly anyway! haha, actually that sounds great. Cant wait to hear more!!

***system admin*** · 11-05-2012, 11:17 AM

With this new development, we should be able to take insurance (if the patients insurance provider covers it). There is nothing we can do if your insurance does not cover you. Will keep you posted as this has all just happened.

Kelkel, We will do EVERYTHING we can to make it easy for the clients to submit to their insurance (IF we decide that filing under each patients insurance is not going to be something we can or want to do. Again, we will keep you posted, but this is really happening fast!!