TRT Questions

[21yearsold]

HI ALL-

I was recently placed on TRT. I am doubling the dose of Cyp that my doc is prescribing to me but still taking according to schedule. Here is the routine:

Day 1
Testosterone Cypionate (IM) 1ml/200mg
Day 2
Anastrazole capsule 1.2mg
Day 3
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Day 4
B-12 injection (SubQ) 1ml /1000 mcg
Day 5
Tamoxifen capsule 10mg
Day 6
hCG injection (SubQ) 250 units
Day 7
Testosterone Cypionate (IM) 1ml/200mg
hCG injection (SubQ) 250 units


Any recommendations? Outside of "don't take that much"...? Do the AI levels look alright? Haven't experienced ANY gyno and it's been about 3 weeks I've been doing this.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

couple of questions:
After day seven do you go right back to day 1?
If so, it looks to me that you are going to be injecting your testosterone 2 days in a row.

I believe that you just started TRT 3 or 4 weeks ago.
Why don't you give your doctor prescribed protocol time to work?
What happens when your bloodwork comes back and your testosterone level is through the roof? Your doctor will then want to lower your dosage.

From your previous posts I believe that you want to lose weight. Most people gain weight with higher test levels.

You have stated that you became overweight partly because of your low T. Relax, stick to your doctor's protocol, get a good diet and exercise plan going, and give a normal T level a chance. No need to come sprinting out of the gates.

Just my 2 cents.

[21yearsold]

couple of questions:
After day seven do you go right back to day 1?
If so, it looks to me that you are going to be injecting your testosterone 2 days in a row.

I believe that you just started TRT 3 or 4 weeks ago.
Why don't you give your doctor prescribed protocol time to work?
What happens when your bloodwork comes back and your testosterone level is through the roof? Your doctor will then want to lower your dosage.

From your previous posts I believe that you want to lose weight. Most people gain weight with higher test levels.

You have stated that you became overweight partly because of your low T. Relax, stick to your doctor's protocol, get a good diet and exercise plan going, and give a normal T level a chance. No need to come sprinting out of the gates.

Just my 2 cents.

OK, should I space out dosages more? I didn't know about that. My main question here is if I need more AIs than the listed ones above. Is that the case in your opinion?

[MuscleInk]

OK, should I space out dosages more? I didn't know about that. My main question here is if I need more AIs than the listed ones above. Is that the case in your opinion?

WTH are you doing!?! Why are you taking an AI and a SERM? Why are you dosing the AI so high? What do you think will happen when you run out of cyp and have to ask for more? The doctor's going to realize you are taking more than the prescribed dose. Are you really thinking this through?

[21yearsold]

WTH are you doing!?! Why are you taking an AI and a SERM? Why are you dosing the AI so high? What do you think will happen when you run out of cyp and have to ask for more? The doctor's going to realize you are taking more than the prescribed dose. Are you really thinking this through?

My Dr. prescribed both to me. He also prescribed the high AI dosage. I have an extra bottle of cyp because of a previous doctor's prescription before I switched physicians. The current Dr. knows all about my prior treatment, but not that I am using the extra cyp alongside the current treatment.

[MuscleInk]

My Dr. prescribed both to me. He also prescribed the high AI dosage. I have an extra bottle of cyp because of a previous doctor's prescription before I switched physicians. The current Dr. knows all about my prior treatment, but not that I am using the extra cyp alongside the current treatment.

Ok, but I still don't like to see TRT abused this way. It has its purpose. I'm not brow beating you for what you are trying to do, but its this type of abuse that can hurt people who really need access to TRT for medical purposes if laws are changed because some abuse the therapy for gains unrelated to low T. If you haven't planned out a full 12 week cycle to calculate how much cyp you will need and you do run short, the doc will figure out what you're doing and may discontinue your treatment. Then you will be screwed when your testosterone crashes - it is very very unpleasant, trust me on that. I have been there.

1.2mg Adex weekly is still too high regardless of 200 or 400mg weekly.

[21yearsold]

Ok, but I still don't like to see TRT abused this way. It has its purpose. I'm not brow beating you for what you are trying to do, but its this type of abuse that can hurt people who really need access to TRT for medical purposes if laws are changed because some abuse the therapy for gains unrelated to low T. If you haven't planned out a full 12 week cycle to calculate how much cyp you will need and you do run short, the doc will figure out what you're doing and may discontinue your treatment. Then you will be screwed when your testosterone crashes - it is very very unpleasant, trust me on that. I have been there.

1.2mg Adex weekly is still too high regardless of 200 or 400mg weekly.

I understand and empathize with what you're saying. I'm OK with too high, too low is scary lol.

[MuscleInk]

I understand and empathize with what you're saying. I'm OK with too high, too low is scary lol.

Dude, there is so much to learn. Too high testosterone can have very bad outcomes....and my point wasn't that. You are essentially using medical grade test and your physician as a drug source. Bad bad idea.

[TennTarheel]

Obviously rational advice isn't going to make sense to someone who is injecting both Cyp shots two days in a row.

21, if you don't know better than that, then you don't need to be messing with it anyways. That is meant in a constructive way, honestly. But do you personally even know why you are taking everything you are?

[Jerkface3333]

This poor kid is going to jack himself. Do yourself a favor and listen to your doctor. What you're doing might seem right but believe me it's wrong and you will be way worse off than you were in the beginning.

[21yearsold]

Obviously rational advice isn't going to make sense to someone who is injecting both Cyp shots two days in a row.

21, if you don't know better than that, then you don't need to be messing with it anyways. That is meant in a constructive way, honestly. But do you personally even know why you are taking everything you are?

I came here and asked for a reason... This was a pretty elitist response TBH. Actually if you look at the BW I posted you see I have a condition called "low testosterone ". Being that I'm 21 years old, as indicated by my username, the endocrinologist (That's the hormone doctor) decided to put me on what's called "testosterone replacement therapy". This is where you use a synthetic form of testosterone to boost your testosterone levels and get rid of symptoms and negative side effects of having "low testosterone".

When doing "testosterone replacement therapy" or "TRT", you should always take things called "aromatization inhibitors". Since excess testosterone in your body is aromatized into estrogen, these "aromatization inhibitors", or "AI's", block that process from happening. You can also supplement this with "HCG " which stimulates your body to raise testosterone levels naturally.

Did I explain it well enough for you?

[TennTarheel]

I wasn't asking for regurgitated info. But if you want to be a smartass and not get guys here to help, have at it Dick. You've read some, just not enough to know any better

[JohnnyVegas]

Inject Cyp 3.5 days apart (twice a week). I inject Sunday morning and Wednesday night.

Agree that your dose isn't really TRT, it is a light cycle. You probably don't want to stay at that level for longer than a cycle would be...like 12 weeks.

Your AI seems high, but blood work will tell you. Or, lower your dose if your joints start to hurt or you can't get an erection.

I hope I remembered everything I meant to say. I am on the phone app and I am typing this without being able to see your original post.

[21yearsold]

Inject Cyp 3.5 days apart (twice a week). I inject Sunday morning and Wednesday night.

Agree that your dose isn't really TRT, it is a light cycle. You probably don't want to stay at that level for longer than a cycle would be...like 12 weeks.

Your AI seems high, but blood work will tell you. Or, lower your dose if your joints start to hurt or you can't get an erection.

I hope I remembered everything I meant to say. I am on the phone app and I am typing this without being able to see your original post.

Aren't AIs used when you can't get an erection? I thought that was the main usage was to inhibit estrogen from forming? K will inject 2x a week Sunday/Wednesday

[MuscleInk]

I came here and asked for a reason... This was a pretty elitist response TBH. Actually if you look at the BW I posted you see I have a condition called "low testosterone ". Being that I'm 21 years old, as indicated by my username, the endocrinologist (That's the hormone doctor) decided to put me on what's called "testosterone replacement therapy". This is where you use a synthetic form of testosterone to boost your testosterone levels and get rid of symptoms and negative side effects of having "low testosterone".

When doing "testosterone replacement therapy" or "TRT", you should always take things called "aromatization inhibitors". Since excess testosterone in your body is aromatized into estrogen, these "aromatization inhibitors", or "AI's", block that process from happening. You can also supplement this with "HCG " which stimulates your body to raise testosterone levels naturally.

Did I explain it well enough for you?

Wow. Thanks for helping us out. I've only been in medicine for 18 years and I needed someone half my age to educate me on the endocrine system and interventional endocrinology.

[MuscleInk]

Aren't AIs used when you can't get an erection? I thought that was the main usage was to inhibit estrogen from forming? K will inject 2x a week Sunday/Wednesday

Wow, so with the lecture you just provided on TRT, that's what you think AIs are actually for? Amazing.

[TennTarheel]

I rest my case...

[21yearsold]

Wow, so with the lecture you just provided on TRT, that's what you think AIs are actually for? Amazing.

Wasn't talking to you dude. Was talking to TennTarheel. You knew that too.

[bass]

We only know the answers related to TRT questions, so you won't get much help here with what you want to do. Having said that, Johnny Vegas answered your question, nothing else anyone can add here except give you advice to follow your doctor's protocol, and the guys already done that. It's up to you.

[TennTarheel]

Regardless of who you were talking to, you don't have a handle on what you are doing or how to adjust it. You've put on 40 lbs of unwanted weight this year as you stated in another thread. Maybe you should start taking people's advice?? Your knowledge isn't cutting it. I'm only being harsh because you wanted to be a prick. There is good help here and nobody was out of line til you thought I was being elite.

[JohnnyVegas]

Aren't AIs used when you can't get an erection? I thought that was the main usage was to inhibit estrogen from forming? K will inject 2x a week Sunday/Wednesday

You said you were asking Tar, but I am the one that said it. Yes, the AI is to keep you from getting high estrogen which will cause a loss of erection. But, low estrogen causes that problem as well. Since the AI dose might be high, I recommended watching for a few of the more obvious sides of low estrogen.

There is overlap in the sides of high and low E2.

[21yearsold]

Gotcha... So lower the dosage to what in your opinion? And which one should I lower, the Tamoxifen (Nolvadex ) or the Anastrozole (Arimidex )?

[21yearsold]

Anybody?

[21yearsold]

Does nobody have an answer to this?