Reducing Cholesterol Experiment

[NACH3]

I thought this protocol changed.

With what? It's working but im all ears for better ways

[kelkel]

Thx Kel for the tips(argenine & Cutruline - would you still supplement arginine tabs even if it's in my BCAAs and ON GS shks)?? It must act in a different manner?? Yup the Jarrows since I can't get inj... Looking at a RC if they carry inj b12(or another place) just have to do a quick search...

forgot to list cialis(5mg ed) that's why the NAC(also running an oral atm) but for the oxidation as it causes me some low back aches and leg aches...

Edit** got it.... Thx again!!!

If already running low dose cialis there's really no need to do both, imho, although I know some who do.

[NACH3]

If already running low dose cialis there's really no need to do both, imho, although I know some who do.

Ok... I was hoping Cialis By itself would be just as effective... thx for chiming back in

[ermasta]

Update:
It appears the desired RYR, the pure Chinese form found at Hard Rh!no, is no longer available. I contacted H.R. several weeks ago. They informed me that it would be back in their inventory soon and was, at present, undergoing their, QA testing (whatever procedures they may use). But it has yet to show back up. If it does, I'm highly doubtful it will be the same product they once handled but time will tell I suppose. As we all know, the "good stuff" of any product always seems to go the way of the dinosaurs.

seems to be available from their own website..i just don't know if the price was better thru amazon.

[kelkel]

I'm heading in for BW next week and will pull the vap cholesterol profile again. I stopped the RYR several months ago as I want to see how I hold up without it.

[GirlyGymRat]

I'm heading in for BW next week and will pull the vap cholesterol profile again. I stopped the RYR several months ago as I want to see how I hold up without it.

Please update this thread if there's a protocol change suggested. I do not like the taste of RYR.

[kelkel]

Please update this thread if there's a protocol change suggested. I do not like the taste of RYR.

Oh it's atrocious. That's one reason I stopped it but the main reason is to see if I hold on to the gains I made without it. If not, it'll go back in my protein drinks which destroys the flavor.....

[OdinsOtherSon]

Hard Rhino now has the Chinese RYR in stock!!!

[kelkel]

Update:

As stated I stopped the RYR maybe 3-4 months prior to blood work I just had done. The goal was to see if I could hold onto the positive changes I made without using it and thus, eliminate it from my protocol. Well my BW came back great! My LDL particle size remained "Pattern A, Large Buoyant LDL" so I'm excited about it. It means I'm holding that level without the use of the natural statins in RYR.

My doc is very happy with this as well. Only time will tell if it holds there until my next BW in six months, but I see no reason why it should not. So far this experiment has validated the use of this protocol, imho. Hopefully it works for someone else as well.

[OdinsOtherSon]

kelkel, did you maintain the niacin and NAC, less the ryr?

[kelkel]

Exactly. I don't see myself giving up on either of those two. NAC is too good an overall supplement and the SloNiacin helps my HDL.
Main thing Odin is getting that VAP or NMR Lipo Profile. It's the only way to track particle size.

[OdinsOtherSon]

Yes, I totally agree. It's a shame you have to request that particle size be monitored. I also take NAC as a daily sup for other benefits as well. I also take Vitamin C with the NAC. I've read that it helps to reduce the oxidation of the NAC. Not sure about the validity of that but I look at Vit C like I do NAC...it's too cheap with too many positives to not incorporate.

Thank you for sharing your experiences and knowledge kelkel!

[NACH3]

Hard Rhino now has the Chinese RYR in stock!!!

I'm already on NAC/Vit C/cilias etc, etc... I've been looking into this RYR... I've seen pill form - but I'm thinking the powder is the way to go, correct?! Based on its horrible taste im definitely assuming it's powder lol... Best place to get is HR? Thx fellas

[GirlyGymRat]

I'm already on NAC/Vit C/cilias etc, etc... I've been looking into this RYR... I've seen pill form - but I'm thinking the powder is the way to go, correct?! Based on its horrible taste im definitely assuming it's powder lol... Best place to get is HR? Thx fellas

Yes. The powder. I ordered mine thru amazon.

[kelkel]

Yes, I totally agree. It's a shame you have to request that particle size be monitored. I also take NAC as a daily sup for other benefits as well. I also take Vitamin C with the NAC. I've read that it helps to reduce the oxidation of the NAC. Not sure about the validity of that but I look at Vit C like I do NAC...it's too cheap with too many positives to not incorporate.

Thank you for sharing your experiences and knowledge kelkel!

To me and from all my readings the LDL particle size is one of the most important aspects. It's what originally enlightened me to make the changes that I did. I highly recommend you check yours if possible to see what's really going on inside of you.

I'm already on NAC/Vit C/cilias etc, etc... I've been looking into this RYR... I've seen pill form - but I'm thinking the powder is the way to go, correct?! Based on its horrible taste im definitely assuming it's powder lol... Best place to get is HR? Thx fellas

You don't want U.S. made RYR as the natural statins are removed from it per the FDA.

[NACH3]

To me and from all my readings the LDL particle size is one of the most important aspects. It's what originally enlightened me to make the changes that I did. I highly recommend you check yours if possible to see what's really going on inside of you.




You don't want U.S. made RYR as the natural statins are removed from it per the FDA.

Thx Kel/Girly! So would Amazon be ok then to order from or do you suggest somewhere else? Obviously the whole point is for the statins...

[GirlyGymRat]

I don't see it available on Amazon anymore but can buy it from hard rhino dot com. No space between hard and rhino.

[NACH3]

I don't see it available on Amazon anymore but can buy it from hard rhino dot com. No space between hard and rhino.

Thx Girly.... will be placing my order

[OdinsOtherSon]

I'm already on NAC/Vit C/cilias etc, etc... I've been looking into this RYR... I've seen pill form - but I'm thinking the powder is the way to go, correct?! Based on its horrible taste im definitely assuming it's powder lol... Best place to get is HR? Thx fellas

Yes. The powder. I ordered mine thru amazon.

To me and from all my readings the LDL particle size is one of the most important aspects. It's what originally enlightened me to make the changes that I did. I highly recommend you check yours if possible to see what's really going on inside of you.




You don't want U.S. made RYR as the natural statins are removed from it per the FDA.

NACH, as GGR and kelkel have already stated, the powder ryr from HR is the way to go. I honestly don't see how sup suppliers can sell the pill forms from the US as cholesterol lowering supps when the FDA has regulated the beneficial compound out of it.

[NACH3]

NACH, as GGR and kelkel have already stated, the powder ryr from HR is the way to go. I honestly don't see how sup suppliers can sell the pill forms from the US as cholesterol lowering supps when the FDA has regulated the beneficial compound out of it.

Thx Odin... I was thinking the same thing

[GingerbeardJ]

When I tried ryr it made me sick as hell! Gave me flu like symptoms, nausea, and body cramps. Do you guys think my body just doesn't work will with it or it was a bunk product?

[GirlyGymRat]

When I tried ryr it made me sick as hell! Gave me flu like symptoms, nausea, and body cramps. Do you guys think my body just doesn't work will with it or it was a bunk product?

Hard rhino powder has certificates for theirs which makes me think ryr is under dosed or faked.

[OdinsOtherSon]

Hard rhino powder has certificates for theirs which makes me think ryr is under dosed or faked.

This^^

All ryr produced in the US have the natural statins removed via gov regulation. Like I said above, I don't see how most supplement vendors get away with peddling their ryr as such. In all honesty, there's no telling what you might have taken.

[NACH3]

This^^

All ryr produced in the US have the natural statins removed via gov regulation. Like I said above, I don't see how most supplement vendors get away with peddling their ryr as such. In all honesty, there's no telling what you might have taken.

Well it's a great thing I never did, Odin!

And exactly why I wanted to be sure! Thx brother!

[ermasta]

Update:

As stated I stopped the RYR maybe 3-4 months prior to blood work I just had done. The goal was to see if I could hold onto the positive changes I made without using it and thus, eliminate it from my protocol. Well my BW came back great! My LDL particle size remained "Pattern A, Large Buoyant LDL" so I'm excited about it. It means I'm holding that level without the use of the natural statins in RYR.

My doc is very happy with this as well. Only time will tell if it holds there until my next BW in six months, but I see no reason why it should not. So far this experiment has validated the use of this protocol, imho. Hopefully it works for someone else as well.

Congrats Kelkel!!

You give us hope my man...I am going to finish up my 30 day supply of Lipitor , check blood and get on your protocol.....

Thanks again!

[DrewZ]

I haven't seen anything scientific to suggest it's needed but if it makes a person feel better, so be it. Found this article the other day:

Dose-related increase of HDL-cholesterol levels after N-acetylcyste... - PubMed - NCBI

I remember reading this thread awhile ago and referred to it for my father, he got some not so great numbers back and doc wants to put him on statins.

The chinese red rice yeast you linked is no longer available, any other options?

Thank you

[GirlyGymRat]

I remember reading this thread awhile ago and referred to it for my father, he got some not so great numbers back and doc wants to put him on statins. The chinese red rice yeast you linked is no longer available, any other options? Thank you

You can buy directly from hard rhino dot com.

[kelkel]

Congrats Kelkel!!

You give us hope my man...I am going to finish up my 30 day supply of Lipitor , check blood and get on your protocol.....

Thanks again!

Be sure to get the VAP or NMR Profile run ermasta! Cut out sugar as well.

[lovbyts]

You can buy directly from hard rhino dot com.

I noticed its made in China.... Do you thin it's OK/ I TRY to steer clear of anything especially supplements/food products that come from China.

[GirlyGymRat]

I noticed its made in China.... Do you thin it's OK/ I TRY to steer clear of anything especially supplements/food products that come from China.

If we buy the RYR from US, the satins are removed so the benefit is greatly diminished.

Brand was recommended by Kelkel. He was using this same brand with amazing results. He's also a freak of nature, never diets or counts a calorie, no cardio and has freaking abs. I want to really dislike this member on so many levels.

[kelkel]

I want to really dislike this member on so many levels.

The line forms to the left.....

[lovbyts]

If we buy the RYR from US, the satins are removed so the benefit is greatly diminished.

Brand was recommended by Kelkel. He was using this same brand with amazing results. He's also a freak of nature, never diets or counts a calorie, no cardio and has freaking abs. I want to really dislike this member on so many levels.

Wait but just last week you were just saying he was a Freak....



Yeah I got that part about how the US takes out the natural statins. Figures and I know it's not the only thing they do that to that makes it pretty much useless. What do you think the chances are they do it because the drug companies (Cholesterol medication) paid them to do it?

[lovbyts]

Originally Posted by GirlyGymRat

I want to really dislike this member on so many levels.

The line forms to the left.....

I'm so confused.... Yes more than usual. I went through all 4 pages and can not find what or who she is referring to. Am I worried it's me? Yes you never know. It would not be the first time I inadvertently said something or two too piss of a member, especially female.

[GirlyGymRat]

The line forms to the left.....

I would like a number please!!!

[GirlyGymRat]

Originally Posted by GirlyGymRat I want to really dislike this member on so many levels. I'm so confused.... Yes more than usual. I went through all 4 pages and can not find what or who she is referring to. Am I worried it's me? Yes you never know. It would not be the first time I inadvertently said something or two too piss of a member, especially female.

It's not you love.

[lovbyts]

Exactly. I don't see myself giving up on either of those two. NAC is too good an overall supplement and the SloNiacin helps my HDL.
Main thing Odin is getting that VAP or NMR Lipo Profile. It's the only way to track particle size.

So do you think the ryr was not needed at all since you dont need it now or was it still a vehicle needed to get your levels to a healthy range?

[kelkel]

So do you think the ryr was not needed at all since you dont need it now or was it still a vehicle needed to get your levels to a healthy range?

I think it was integral in getting me there due to the natural statins. My next BW in 6 months or so will tell the tale.

[OdinsOtherSon]

kelkel, quick question. Is the ryr more or less effective taken with or without food?

[lovbyts]

I think it was integral in getting me there due to the natural statins. My next BW in 6 months or so will tell the tale.

How long did it take using the RYR and other stuff to get it down? I use everything you have mentioned although not 7 days a week, more like 4
I'm going to add the RYR because nothing has helped much so far.

OK, Fine Ill go back to the beginning and check the 1st post and do the math. lol

Looks like just about 1yr using the RYR?

[kelkel]

I implemented the protocol after not liking my VAP Lipid Profile on page one, which was horrible. BW six months later moved me to middle ground then another 6 months I was in the good category if memory serves me correctly.