1 Year a Slave, Jomamma007's HRT Exit

**jomamma007** · 06-25-2014, 05:54 PM

Just an update, had bloods drawn at a clinic up in az 8 weeks since end of pct
Total T is 421
Estradiol 16.9
Free test isn't in yet but my shbg is high so it's not even going to be on the range.
And I've been feeling it. I've felt like death for the last 6 weeks.

Going to wait another 4 weeks to Re test and probably be below 348 so my insurance will cover.

**BuzzardMarinePumper** · 06-25-2014, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by jomamma007

Just an update, had bloods drawn at a clinic up in az 8 weeks since end of pct
Total T is 421
Estradiol 16.9
Free test isn't in yet but my shbg is high so it's not even going to be on the range.
And I've been feeling it. I've felt like death for the last 6 weeks.

Going to wait another 4 weeks to Re test and probably be below 348 so my insurance will cover.

WELL I HAVE BEEN TOLD TO DROP THE HCG 1 TO 2 WEEKS BEFORE THE BW TO DROP TEST LEVEL ? I KNOW YOU ARE TRYING TO RAISE YOURS BUT IF YOU KNOW YOUR BODY & NEED INS TO COVER THIS WOULD WORK ? ? ? ? COULD YOU NOT JUST DROP HCG FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND THEN DO HCG EOD AND I LOVE THE WAY IT MAKES ME FEEL ! But I am 54 and full blown TRT ? ? ? ? SOOOO

**jomamma007** · 07-12-2014, 05:05 PM

Any problem in doing a second PCT

**Beethoven** · 07-14-2014, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by jomamma007

Any problem in doing a second PCT

I don't personally know but how are you holding up through this? How do you feel at this level? Good luck brother.

**jomamma007** · 07-14-2014, 02:40 PM

Feeling pretty crappy , unable to get erections the last 1.6 weeks, getting my second pct together to start this weekend.

Got blood work today 10 weeks after pct, will post results .

**bullshark99** · 07-14-2014, 03:43 PM

J, u tried give u the utmost credit, do hope u have plan B ready....

**Beethoven** · 07-14-2014, 06:23 PM

Jo you've made one hell of an attempt. Best of luck. Got my fingers crossed for you.

**jomamma007** · 07-17-2014, 02:31 PM

10 weeks since end of PCT
Total T 460
Free T 5 (9-20)
So my shbg seems to be 60-70 I don't know why it's so elevated

So free T up a point, not sure if that's progress feel like crap, can't get an erection lol. Time to attempt a second pct , not sure if there's a point but want to rule it out before a life of HRT

**jomamma007** · 08-06-2014, 11:02 AM

A week into my second restart feeling better already.
Keeping it simple this time and not obsessing over blood work.

Hcg 2000iu E3D accomapnied by letro at 1.25mg
For 7 shots~3 weeks

Letro during first week of serms at 1.25mg 2X week then dropped completely.

Then
Clomid 70/35/35/35/35/35
Nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20

Bloods probably 6 weeks after cessation of serms.

**Trevtrev** · 08-06-2014, 05:28 PM

Good luck!!

**Beethoven** · 08-06-2014, 07:31 PM

Good luck Jo.

**Chodecabode** · 08-08-2014, 07:51 PM

Yo Jo, can't believe I stumbled on this. I'm 27 started TRT about 8 months ago and now wondering if I need this for the rest of my life. I felt like a really really late bloomer, basically no consistent facial hair at all at 27, no chest hair, thin leg and arm hair, soft looking face.

I basically grew to hate myself because I felt like I was never fully virilized into a man. I don't feel transgendered at all, it's just like...I was stuck from going fully through puberty and it slowly drove me insane as I obsessed about it. Stopped even trying to get into relationships because I thought I was broken.

Anyway, TRT hasn't solved all my problems but it's making losing weight and gaining muscle easier. Some days generally towards the end of my 1 week 150mg Test C shot, I actually have a libido, but during my shot and a few days after I actually feel less of a libido and I stil have left sided gyno, probably E spiking.

Anyway I'm interested to follow your progress. The progress pictures you had I saw in a thread were definitely huge. You got any recent pictures? I actually grew my first chest hair on T which is hilariously embarrassing and facial hair is very slowly starting to sprout up here and there.

I wish I started TRT earlier than 26/27 because I feel like I could have avoided a lot of physical and mental stress it caused.

**jomamma007** · 08-09-2014, 11:22 AM

That's exactly how I felt bud. No facial hair even though guys on both sides of my family have legit facial hair.
Dad told me he was a late bloomer so I just figured the same would go for me.
Didn't get body hair until I got on trt.
Well I don't look as good as in those pics but I haven't worked out this year.

**Chodecabode** · 08-10-2014, 04:00 PM

How has the restart been? What made you want to stop exactly? You looked jacked in that "After" pic. My shoulders are finally broader than my hips and facial hair is slowly coming in, and hair moved up above my belly button really fast the past 5-6 months. I swear I can feel the highs and lows of the 150mg/week Test C though, which sucks, and I don't like injecting so I don't know if I'd want to do like 75 every 3 days.

I tried Clomid first but the Estrogen sides were massive at 50 mg EoD and I couldn't take it anymore. My doctor said he hadn't prescribed HCG In 20 years and only used it for fertility. Very few endos seems to know about HRT and it sucks.

I'm still on the fence about how far I want to keep going with this.

**jomamma007** · 08-20-2014, 05:12 PM

well I'm taking my last hcg shot either today or tomorrow.
Didn't get blood work but I'm definitely feeling better on it.
100%? no but getting there. At least I have energy to move now.
Erections are either hit or miss, probably dropping my estrogen too low with 1.25mgs letro causing my ED and slight joint pain.

Anyways I'm feeling a lot better and that is what's important. Trying not to obsses over blood work this time until 6-8 weeks after the whole restart, as people keep telling me it's in my head even though my Free T levels aren't even on the low end of the range. But I decided to give it a shot.

Dropping the letro after tomorrows injeciton and starting my 2nd phase

Clomid
70/35/35/35/35/35
Nolva
40/20/20/20/20/20

**jomamma007** · 08-30-2014, 09:09 PM

Finished HCG , started my SERMS and finally able to get an erection. Feeling better as well. Hopefully things continue to improve.

**Beethoven** · 08-31-2014, 07:13 AM

Got my fingers crossed for you Jo.

**Chodecabode** · 09-03-2014, 09:03 PM

You been seeing an endo? or doing this alone?

**600@50** · 09-04-2014, 10:04 AM

Best of luck Jo. This has been a really interesting thread. I've been on TRT since 1993 at age 32. It's been 21 years of pinning for me. Not so bad considering the alternative.

**jomamma007** · 09-07-2014, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Chodecabode

You been seeing an endo? or doing this alone?

My doctor told me I didn't need any restart compounds as I was only on a TRT dose of testosterone for a year lol. So I'm doing this alone.

**jomamma007** · 09-07-2014, 06:39 PM

been on serms for almost 2 weeks now, finally starting to feel them.
Anxious and major ED now, lost a few pounds of water from them and gyno is down. Everytime I take nolva I tend to harden up, but it drys out my skin as well.

was feeling pretty good after the first week now it's hitting me. Probably elevated estrogens flowing through my blood. Anyways I'm going to run them the rest of the month and see where I end up.

Got some cialis in the mean time lol///

**jomamma007** · 09-26-2014, 09:06 PM

Been feeling extra crappy since finishing serms 2.5 weeks ago,
to the point where I was losing muscle, couldn't even get much of an erection even with cialis, and today was the final straw when I passed out in the parking lot. from stress or low estrogen from low test plus cialis lowering my blood pressure, who knows but I'm over this crap. Getting blood work monday and most likely back to the needle on wednesday with A
Ageless Mens Health Clinic, not sure if i can post that by the way. Thanks guys for advice, ill update with my HRT results.

**Beethoven** · 09-26-2014, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by jomamma007

Been feeling extra crappy since finishing serms 2.5 weeks ago,
to the point where I was losing muscle, couldn't even get much of an erection even with cialis, and today was the final straw when I passed out in the parking lot. from stress or low estrogen from low test plus cialis lowering my blood pressure, who knows but I'm over this crap. Getting blood work monday and most likely back to the needle on wednesday with A
Ageless Mens Health Clinic, not sure if i can post that by the way. Thanks guys for advice, ill update with my HRT results.

Sorry it didn't work Jo, you gave it one hell of a shot. You'll start feeling better soon I suspect.

**64509chvl** · 09-27-2014, 10:32 AM

Been following your thread pulling for ya bud...sucks to see it didn't work out, but on the up side, at least you can be fixed & you're well educated on how to do it

! I wish so much that my natural production worked right so I could just carry on like everyone else with not a single thought on all this HRT stuff but it ain't happening & I'm super happy that I feel much better with it.

Outstanding efforts bud!

**hawk14dl** · 09-27-2014, 11:06 AM

That's a shame jo.

Have you considered an hcg only protocol? Or clomid only?

**jomamma007** · 10-05-2014, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by APOLLON

Eat something salty if this happens again. Funny thing is google searches say low testosterone causes high blood pressure and that high T normalizes BP.
I have only seen the opposite. With lower T the BP falls and the heart beats faster if you are working out.

Thanks.
Well I've decided not to give up and run a legit restart since i stopped my last one 2 weeks in and see where I end up.

Just got bloods from the doc 3 weeks removed from clomid and nolva
Total T 800
Free T 7(9-21)
SHBG 108(15-51) highest I've ever seen, wondering if the SERMS really elevate my ciruclating estrogen in turn raising shbg

so I'm doing
nolva
40/20/20/20/20/20
clomid
70/35/35/35/35/35
aromasin 6.26mgs daily to keep down estrogen, with an additional 4 weeks after I finish serms

will post bloods in 6 weeks after SERMS to see where I'm at.