Has anyone ever tried to do daily injections vise every 3.5 days? I wonder if it would allow me to no longer have to use an AI?
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Has anyone ever tried to do daily injections vise every 3.5 days? I wonder if it would allow me to no longer have to use an AI?
I’d imagine it has more to do with the compounds you’re using. What are you using?Quote:
Originally Posted by bethdoth
Honestly even with short esthers I can’t really tell the difference between every day and every other day. A lot of the times I’ll do more frequent injections just to break up volume.
being this is the TRT section I'm guessing your just talking about test at a TRT dose .
when on a heavy blast and especially running Tren ace in that blast I like daily injections. when cruising on TRT however, I don't think its worth it (I only inject 1-2x per week).
its about risk to reward . the reward to having a bit more stable blood levels do not out weigh the risk. now whats the risk ? well every single time you inject yourself their is always the risk of a bad shot or possible infection. we take all the precautions but its still a real risk.
so if I'm on TRT for the next 20 years and I inject once per week. thats 1,040 total injections/risks
if I'm injecting every day for that TRT for 20 years. thats 7,840 total injections/risks
thats a big difference and the potential for a shot going bad sky rockets. which again to me is not really worth a small bit in steady blood levels.
and I really don't think that just a bit steady levels will keep you from needing an AI , if you truly need it in the first place. If you wanted to get off taking an AI , I'd start by lowering your test dosage slightly and see where that puts you
I’m also curious what estrogen related side effects you’re having or do you think your estrogen is just higher than you’d like it to be on paper?
It’s more than blood levels. Anyone who believes in site injections, feels that the injections into the site of focus for the day pays off.Quote:
Originally Posted by GearHeaded
Note: your calculations are off if using Slin pins. Max of 1 ml. If taking more than it is that many more. Sit injections also. Two biceps, two quads, etc.
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Please provide your dose information and any pertinent labs. Are you speaking of normal TRT Dosing, say around 100mg/week with no cycling, or are you speaking of higher doses and cycling of dosages and/or ancillary anabolic compounds?Quote:
Originally Posted by bethdoth
I have not added anything to my protocol since June 1st. I have been doing 80mg test cyp every 3.5 days, 250IU's HCG every 3.5 days, and 12.5mg stane daily. My wife quit working back in December, but has not changed her spending habits (if anything she is spending more). So with the lose of $2,200.00 a month in take home income, money is starting to get tight which is a problem I have not had in many years. Well my last purchase of exemestane with discounts was $103.00, this will last me 4 months.
My estrogen varies, but have never really had any bad sides because I try to keep it in check (see my labs). Just kinda want to save money and if I don't have to take something less is sometimes better. I do understand the risk and scar tissue build up possibilities.
I 100% agree with daily injections for AAS usage and running cycle and doing site injections for sure.. thats a reason I often inject 4 diff spots on both heads of my biceps and also inject my putter tricep, upper pecs, etc..Quote:
Originally Posted by charger69
BUT thats for using AAS . OP was just talking about running long ester test for TRT . spreading 160mg of test out over 7 days pinned daily does not seem reasonable to me.
running an actual cycle especially with short esters in it, injecting daily and site injecting makes perfect sense
OP - I'd drop the AI for awhile and just go by how you feel, rather then chasing numbers on bloodwork. you'll likely get more consistency in E2 levels over time and feel better anyhow (the body has its own way of regulating estrogen to androgen ratios, AI's often times just throw a wrench in that process)
Well now would be a good time to test this since I ran out 2 days ago and have not received my order yet. I could save it for cycles.Quote:
Originally Posted by GearHeaded
Another thing to consider with injection frequency is your sbhg.
With a low sbhg more frequent injections are necessary
I've been on HRT for almost a decade. I blindly followed the cookie cutter Mon/Thurs injection routine for my Test. I switched to MWF (only one extra injection per week) and it's a substantial difference. Whether someone wants to debate placebo effect is neither here nor there because the science and math doesn't lie. You can graph your injections on steroidcalc and see the peaks/valleys and compare based on injection frequency.Quote:
Originally Posted by bethdoth
From real world application, I have the luxury of unlimited free bloodwork. I have 10 years of blood work and spreadsheets / graphs coming out the wazoo. Prior to adding Deca to my HRT regiment, I would routinely get bloodwork done just so I could have data.
Some people like watching Netflix, I like graphing my health.
In terms of you AI, here are the steps I would take to remove your AI;
1) Switch to MWF or E3D injections and monitor
2) If 1 doesn't work, introduce 200mg of DIM
3) If 1+2 doesn't work, titrate up to 400mg (then 600mg) of DIM AND/OR 50-100mg Masteron
Seperate from those, I would also advise adding the following to your HRT if not already introduced
1) Vitamin D3 (this is actually a hormone in our body)
2) DHEA
3) 50-80mg Deca (one year supply is going to only cost you $65-95)
I like to keep stable levels myself. If I could put up w pinning more I would.Quote:
Originally Posted by Windex
However, I have heard a solid argument for not keeping stable levels. This one guys actually used sust for trt. He says your body doesn't naturally keep stable hormone levels, so it's not good to have it as such. Something about how it aromatizes. I think it was drugs n stuff episode 32, could be wrong. Also, in a much earlier episode, he had another good argument for spikes leading to better hypertrophy.
I have been on the 3.5D injections since I started 8 years ago. I do take D3 and micronized slow release DHEA. I have never tried DIM? I wish I could do unlimited labs, I would be like you and have graphs and charts of everything. I am curious why you recommend 50-80mg Deca? Would that be daily every 3.5days etc .... My concern with deca is that it is considered a bulking steroid (maybe not in the low dose), but I really don't want to get bigger at this point of my life. Do you feel this dose of Deca would help with joint pain?Quote:
Originally Posted by Windex
E3D is different than every 3.5 days. It would mean 10 injections per month rather than 8.Quote:
Originally Posted by bethdoth
At 50-80mg of Deca it's just a therapeutic dose. You won't blow up and you'd wanna inject it at the same frequency as the rest of your HRT for simplicity. You would need to pull Deca 6-8 weeks prior to running Free Testosterone bloodwork otherwise your doctor will have a stroke. The joint benefits are great.
You'd also wanna introduce Glucosamine year round with Chondroitin + MSM to offset having to pull Deca out (if applicable).
DIM is actually better than an AI for TRT purposes. It also cheaper and not toxic.
This is my HRT for comparison (I inject MWF)
90mg Test
100mg Deca
150mg Primo
7000IU Calciferol
3.3IU HGH
30mg MK677
20mg Cardarine
50mg DHEA
1000IU HCG
I'll also just point out that adding a small dose of Deca is not only beneficial for the joint aspects, but it also provides a slight bit of anabolic load that essentially makes your more efficient at assimilating protein (which is an issue as you get older.. the older you get the harder it is to assimilate protein and our protein requirements often need to go up as we age)
How much does DIM lower e2 for you? I am not too far out of range and would like to knock it down to the middle, but worried about tankingQuote:
Originally Posted by Windex
Hummm I was looking at these amounts and have to ask is this what you take a week or on your injection day? Some numbers look like daily (DHEA) some weekly (HCG) and some per shot day (TEST)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Windex
Test, HCG, Deca, and Primo are weekly.Quote:
Originally Posted by bethdoth
DHEA, Calciferol, HGH, MK, and Cardarine are daily.
I don't take DIM as I'm only on 90mg of Test for HRT and the most amount of Test i'll run is about 160-180mg. I never go above that to remove the need for an estrogen control. Instead I just run high doses of 19nors and manipulate my diet.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoldMyBeer
In a vacuum 600mg of DIM = 12.5mg Aromasin