10IU gh or igf?

**europeman** · 08-25-2005, 08:27 AM

I am planning the following cycle,

1-26 2gram test
1-26 600mg deca
and some deca/d-bol/tren here and there

is it better to run the entire cycle with 10 iu gh and some igf-1 here and there, ore just use 100mcg igf 4 weeks on, 3 of

**Pinnacle** · 08-25-2005, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by europeman

I am planning the following cycle,

1-26 2gram test
1-26 600mg deca
and some deca/d-bol/tren here and there

is it better to run the entire cycle with 10 iu gh and some igf-1 here and there, ore just use 100mcg igf 4 weeks on, 3 of

I personally don't think you need 10iu's.I feel with the anabolics you're running 6iu's would be plenty to get the synergy you're after.
I run 8iu's off cycle,and 6iu's while I'm on.That's what seems to work for me.

***JohnnyB*** · 08-25-2005, 08:56 AM

Anything over 4iu, is a waste of money in my book, you'd be better off running LR3 IGF-1

JohnnyB

**europeman** · 08-25-2005, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Anything over 4iu, is a waste of money in my book, you'd be better off running LR3 IGF-1

JohnnyB

why is it a waste of money? and do you think igf is beter fot growth?

**rodge** · 08-25-2005, 10:28 AM

your better off running it at 4iu with lr3 igf-1 cycled 4 weeks on/4 weeks off.lower the hgh to 2iu when on igf.

-rodge

**europeman** · 08-25-2005, 10:45 AM

why not 10 IU gh?

**rodge** · 08-25-2005, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by europeman

why not 10 IU gh?

cause hgh converts not only to igf-1 but also to igf-2 wich causes gh gut.this is something that def will show at such a high dose.

-rodge

**Nicky B** · 08-25-2005, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by europeman

why not 10 IU gh?

Thats were the nasty sides can show themselves. Like skull growth and gut formation.

***JohnnyB*** · 08-25-2005, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by europeman

why is it a waste of money? and do you think igf is beter fot growth?

The cost for one, and as mentioned HGH has to convert to IGF-1, so the cost becomes the over riding factor and the side effects

JohnnyB

**europeman** · 08-26-2005, 08:36 AM

but it is effective, i also gonne run 100mcg igf every other month

**rodge** · 08-26-2005, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by europeman

but it is effective, i also gonne run 100mcg igf every other month

do your self a favor and lower the hgh dose(2iu) when on igf.

-rodge

**Seattle Junk** · 08-26-2005, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by rodge nl.

do your self a favor and lower the hgh dose(2iu) when on igf.

-rodge

Rodge, if you've been on GH long enough to where you're producing a high amount of IGF-1 via your liver (2-3+ months), what's the benefit of using l3 IGF-1 ontop of that? Isn't that opening yourself up to possible sides? I can see using l3 IGF-1 at the initiation of GH/AAS since it takes a few months before your liver start releasing higher amounts of IGF-1. Please help me understand this, thanks.

***JohnnyB*** · 08-26-2005, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Seattle Junk

Rodge, if you've been on GH long enough to where you're producing a high amount of IGF-1 via your liver (2-3+ months), what's the benefit of using l3 IGF-1 ontop of that? Isn't that opening yourself up to possible sides? I can see using l3 IGF-1 at the initiation of GH/AAS since it takes a few months before your liver start releasing higher amounts of IGF-1. Please help me understand this, thanks.

I got ya on your thread

JohnnyB

**goose** · 09-12-2005, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by rodge nl.

do your self a favor and lower the hgh dose(2iu) when on igf.

-rodge

why lover the dose to (2iu) when on ifg?

**noober** · 09-12-2005, 07:05 PM

what is igf? Where can i read more about it i haven't found that many informative posts on it and im looking for something good for a first cycle and i saw someone in here say that it has less chances of side effect than test
thanks,
noober

***SPIKE*** · 09-12-2005, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by noober

what is igf? Where can i read more about it i haven't found that many informative posts on it and im looking for something good for a first cycle and i saw someone in here say that it has less chances of side effect than test
thanks,
noober

Just scroll around these threads. There's plenty of useful info. Most of it coming from guys that already commented on this thread. Look for the titled threads that have IGF in it.

**rodge** · 09-12-2005, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by goose4

why lover the dose to (2iu) when on ifg?

to keep sides to a minimum.you don't need high dose of hgh when on lr3 igf-1 so 2iu is just a replacement dose.

-rodge

**HumanPerfection1** · 09-12-2005, 11:33 PM

what were all of ur previous cycles so we know

**goose** · 09-13-2005, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by rodge nl.

to keep sides to a minimum.you don't need high dose of hgh when on lr3 igf-1 so 2iu is just a replacement dose.

-rodge

Thanks rodge, as we know when you combine hgh and IG-f it becomes synergistic you will lose more fat and gain more muscle when you combine GH and IGF-1 than you would using either alone.What I would like to know, when you combine the 2 in a cycle, is this the same for the sides? have you experienced any sides?

**jerseyboy** · 09-13-2005, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by rodge nl.

to keep sides to a minimum.you don't need high dose of hgh when on lr3 igf-1 so 2iu is just a replacement dose.

-rodge

Het Rodge, you mentioned a week ago that your running 4iu's with IGF next cycle.

**oswaldosalcedo** · 09-13-2005, 02:26 PM

i agree with johnny b (but have to say "to stimulate hgh production" not convert),agree with nicky b (side efects) too.
IGF-1 and IGF-2 are encoded by two different genes which are expressed differentially in different tissues and at different times of development. i add a graphic to show it (from preforms).
Both types of IGF are synthesized in many fetal and adult tissues. IGF-1 is produced constitutively in large amounts in the liver (approximately 10 mg/day). It is produced also locally in many other tissues including kidney, heart, lung, fat tissues, and various glandular tissues. IGF-1 is produced also by chondroblasts, fibroblasts, and osteoclasts

**rodge** · 09-13-2005, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by jerseyboy

Het Rodge, you mentioned a week ago that your running 4iu's with IGF next cycle.

do as i say,not as i do

-rodge

**Nicky B** · 09-13-2005, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by oswaldosalcedo

i agree with johnny b (but have to say "to stimulate hgh production" not convert),agree with nicky b (side efects) too.
IGF-1 and IGF-2 are encoded by two different genes which are expressed differentially in different tissues and at different times of development. i add a graphic to show it (from preforms).
Both types of IGF are synthesized in many fetal and adult tissues. IGF-1 is produced constitutively in large amounts in the liver (approximately 10 mg/day). It is produced also locally in many other tissues including kidney, heart, lung, fat tissues, and various glandular tissues. IGF-1 is produced also by chondroblasts, fibroblasts, and osteoclasts

Are saying that our body produces 10mg of igf-1. I don't think thats right that would mean taking 10,000 mcg's of igf-1 ed just to equal normal levels.