how much t3 with gh!

[bigdiko]

well im gonna start my cutting cycle in 2 weeks im doin, 30mg bonavar/d, 300 primo/d,and 200mg propionate/w, and 2-3 iu gh.my goal is 2 cut down. im planning 2 take 75mg t3? is it ok ? do i need higher or lower doses? im 15% bf plz reply tyhank u all!

[Big Bapper]

T3 comes in mcg not mg and 75mcg is way to much if you are just running it due to GH suppression of the thyroid. 12.5mcg ED first thing in the morning should be enough. If you are looking to cut try some clen or ECA along with your stack. T3 is very effect cutting hormone but can also be very dangerous. Do a little research before using any compound and there is no better place to ask then here, try using the search button I found it a great help when I first came here.

[MrMent1on]

Yes if your running t3 because of the GH supressing your thyroid then all you need is 12.5mcg to 25mcg at most. however if your using it to help you cut as I may suspect then thats a different story. you could actually go higher if you choose like100mcg. I would not leave out the clen if i were you. t3 and clen works well together for cutting. this is why its important for you to state your goal. so we dont have to assume or guess.

[FranKieC]

Yes if your running t3 because of the GH supressing your thyroid then all you need is 12.5mcg to 25mcg at most. however if your using it to help you cut as I may suspect then thats a different story. you could actually go higher if you choose like100mcg. I would not leave out the clen if i were you. t3 and clen works well together for cutting. this is why its important for you to state your goal. so we dont have to assume or guess.

If you do decide to run 100mcgs make sure that there is a strong androgen present because T3 is very catabolic

[MrMent1on]

If you do decide to run 100mcgs make sure that there is a strong androgen present because T3 is very catabolic

YEP!! thats true tends to eat away at your muscles.

[Big Bapper]

If you do decide to run 100mcgs make sure that there is a strong androgen present because T3 is very catabolic

High protein is a must with that sort of dose of T3 and make sure you taper down the dose at the end of your T3 cycle.

[bigdiko]

of course im gonna run clen and t3,and eca im gonna run 10 days clen,then off, 5days, and those 5 days im gonna run eca, i wanna just make sure i can run higher doses than 25, im gonna run 75 max , and gonna tapper up and down, my protein intake is around 600g,carbs 100g and fat 75g. and about androgen im taking 200mg testo propionate + 50mg proviron, dont forget im trying 2 cut down! thank u all bros!

[JohnnyB]

I wouldn't use over 25mcg of t3, while on HGH, t3 can raise IGF-1 Binding Proteins. Since the effects of HGH is caused by the raised IGF-1 levels, you're making your HGH useless, as far as maintaining muscle goes. If you are using HGH for fat lose, I can think of some cheaper ways to do that.

JohnnyB

[Pinnacle]

You don't need T3 at all with HGH....I dare anyone to challenge me to say you do...I'll be back to this thread armed and loaded for intense battle should someone be so bold as to say T3 is neccesary with HGH.


~Pinnacle~

[SPIKE]

You don't need T3 at all with HGH....

After doing some more research I am also leaning in this direction.

Seems the deeper and deeper I dig, the more info I come across that completely contridicts what I've been learning in the past. What an ongoing battle huh?

[taquipariu]

I wouldn't use over 25mcg of t3, while on HGH, t3 can raise IGF-1 Binding Proteins. Since the effects of HGH is caused by the raised IGF-1 levels, you're making your HGH useless, as far as maintaining muscle goes. If you are using HGH for fat lose, I can think of some cheaper ways to do that.

JohnnyB

Hello JohnnyB...

Which are those cheaper ways (I am wishing you don´t say only "eat less")

[Pinnacle]

After doing some more research I am also leaning in this direction.

Seems the deeper and deeper I dig, the more info I come across that completely contridicts what I've been learning in the past. What an ongoing battle huh?

Well Jay,my Endo is extremely well researched in this area since he deals with alot of athletes(not just BBers).He's ran private tests in the past on several of his patients(clients) and found there was no added benefit to running T3 along with HGH.

I'd love to see Johnny B post the study showing T3 can elevate IGF
binding proteins.Oh..and Johnny B has it quite backwards as well.HGH triggers the release of IGF in organs,NOT like he stated saying IGF dictates HGH.

~Pinnacle~

[FranKieC]

l.HGH triggers the release of IGF in organs,NOT like he stated saying IGF dictates HGH. ~Pinnacle~

I agree 100%

Isn't this the point of using GH lol

[gymratpitt]

Agreed. Why T3? Keep it simple: 2ius plus your stated roids and you should get from 15% down to the 11 area in 6-8 weeks while adding some significant muscle (10#?) IF you are working it/ eating intgensely. I did similar running Serostm 5/2 and did just that: 168#>183 & BIA 15.6%>10.6 IN ONLY #&1/2WEEKS AND HAVE KEPT IT FOR THE PAST MONTH>!

[Pinnacle]

I agree 100%

Isn't this the point of using GH lol

That's the problem with ppl who post and never have any experinece running drugs like HGH..slin ect...they post shit they read elsewhere but have no personal experience to back up there statements.Something I totally have no respect for..sickens me actually.Brotelligence once again rearing it's ugly head......

~Pinnacle~

[Big Bapper]

Here Here !!

[MrMent1on]

I disagree that HGH doesnt have a supression effect on the thyroid. have no time to debate but thats where I stand. if I come across a study that backs my statement I'll be happy to post it.

[MrMent1on]

I just couldn't go to bed without leaving you a little something. and I bet you'll agree with everything except the thyroid. I'm only sticking to my opinion here, everyone has a right to their own opinion. Not up for any debate, just stated what I found which speaks for itself.

IMPORTANT! As tissue repair, healing, and cell replacement are speeded up by
growth hormone replacement, the need for nutrients of all types increases. This means if
your body is deficient or borderline in essential nutrients, an increase in cell growth,
produced by HGH, can at the same time aggravate or create deficiencies.

For that reason, it is wise to seek out a physician skilled in clinical nutrition and preventive
medicine when you start growth hormone therapy. You will need to assess and replace
other deficient hormones (such as thyroid and DHEA) and free-radical antioxidants for
optimum results.

CAUTION! At recommended dosages, HGH appears to be safe. Side effects
reported in medical research, such as overgrowth of body parts (called acr*****ly) are
mostly associated with very large doses. Doses of growth hormone given as part of
research are as much as eight times the amount normally produced by the pituitary gland.
Such deliberate overdosage has caused carpal tunnel syndrome, decreased glucose
tolerance (increased tendency to diabetes), breast enlargement (even in males), and fluid
retention.

[MrMent1on]

Red Baron I totally understand what you are saying. No one said anything about added benefits. infact I dont see any added benefit either, however the point here is that GH affects the thyroid somewhat in some way. therefore by taking a tiny amount, your just trying to ensure yourself that you bring your levels back up close to normal thats the whole purpose of the added t-3. thanks for the input.

[Pinnacle]

I wouldn't use over 25mcg of t3, while on HGH, t3 can raise IGF-1 Binding Proteins.
JohnnyB

Could let this one go...the above info is so very inaccurate that it forced me to post this study.And I'll post more if necesary to show the above post is totally false and extremely inaccurate.

The study below suggests T3 could negate the anabolic effects of HGH and IGF...there are more of these studies as well..........





J Hepatol. 1996 Mar;24(3):313-9. Related Articles, Links


Effects of long-term growth hormone (GH) and triiodothyronine (T3)
administration on functional hepatic nitrogen clearance in normal man.

Wolthers T, Grofte T, Moller N, Vilstrup H, Jorgensen JO.

Department of Medicine M (Endocrinology and Diabetes), Aarhus University
Hospital, Denmark.

BACKGROUND/AIMS: A decline in urea excretion is seen following long-term
growth hormone administration, reflecting overall protein anabolism.
Conversely, hyperthyroidism is characterized by increased urea synthesis
and negative nitrogen metabolism. These seemingly opposite effects are
presumed to reflect different actions on peripheral protein metabolism.
The extent to which these hormonal systems have different direct effects
on hepatic urea genesis has not been fully characterized. METHODS: We
measured urea nitrogen synthesis rates and blood alanine levels
concomitantly before, during, and after a 4-h constant intravenous
infusion of alanine (2 mmol.kg bw-1.h-1). Urea nitrogen synthesis rate was
estimated hourly as urinary excretion corrected for gut hydrolysis and
accumulation in body water. The slope of the linear relationship between
urea nitrogen synthesis rate and alanine concentration represents the
liver function as to conversion of amino-N, and is denoted the functional
hepatic nitrogen clearance. Eight normal male subjects (age 21-27 years;
body mass index 22.4-27.0 kg/m2) were randomly studied four times: 1)
after 10 days of subcutaneous saline injections, 2) after 10 days of
subcutaneous growth hormone injections (0.1 IU/kg per day), 3) after 10
days of triiodothyronine administration (40 micrograms on even dates, 20
micrograms on uneven dates) and 4) after 10 days given 2)+3). All
injections were given at 20 00 h. RESULTS: Growth hormone decreased
functional hepatic nitrogen clearance (l/h) by 30% (from 33.8 +/- 3.2 l/h
(control) to 23.8 +/- 1.5 l/h (10 days growth hormone) (mean +/- SE)
(ANOVA; p < 0.01)). Triiodothyronine did not change functional hepatic
nitrogen clearance (36.7 +/- 3.2 l/h), but triiodothyronine given together
with growth hormone abolished the effect of growth hormone functional
hepatic nitrogen clearance (38.8 +/- 4.8 l/h).

CONCLUSIONS: The results show that long-term growth hormone administration
acts on liver by decreasing functional hepatic nitrogen clearance, thereby
retaining amino-N in the body. Triiodothyronine has no effect on
functional hepatic nitrogen clearance, but given together with growth
hormone, it abolishes the effect of growth hormone on functional hepatic
nitrogen clearance. A possible mechanism is the known effect of thyroid
hormones in reducing the bioavailability of insulin-like growth factor-I.
Thus, the effects of growth hormone and triiodothyronine on amino-N
homeostasis are interdependent and to some extent exerted via interplay in
their regulation of liver function as to amino-N conversion.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial
Randomized Controlled Trial

PMID: 8778198 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


~Pinnacle~

[goose]

It`s Unfortunate I fell for this T3 crap during my HGH cycle,I got this from boards,I have stopped using T3 for the last 6 weeks and see no Difference,I am saving money and using less drugs,something I always enjoy,just like my training,less is more if you know what your doing.The conclusion is if you want great results it`s all about using a high dose,this really helps getting a freaky Physique nothing about adding a small amount of T3 that is BALL.....