weird twitching

**pv66** · 05-11-2006, 08:11 AM

So this is my third week on a mild cycle I've been taking by all accounts. I have been taking 20 mg/day of anavar along with 2 iu's per day of Jintropin AQ. I have been doing the Jintropin 5 days on and 2 days off. Yesterday morning and throughout the entire day yesterday and so far this morning too I have been experiencing this muscle twitch in my right upper chest. It freaked me out a bit yesterday and I went to the doctor yesterday and she told me it is more than likely related to the compounds I am taking. However, she said give it a few days and see if it gets better. She said it also could be related to stress or lack of sleep too, but I have not had any sleep problems. She indicated it wasn't anything internal, so I am not so concerned about it, but it is pretty bothersome. Anyone experienced any similar situations. Is there any medication I can take which would relieve me of this problem? Thanks for the help.

**Ufa** · 05-11-2006, 08:28 AM

Most likely unrelated. You should be fine.

**pv66** · 05-11-2006, 08:34 AM

That's what I thought, not worrying me a great deal because it's not an internal problem, just annoying.

**rodge** · 05-11-2006, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by pv66

she told me it is more than likely related to the compounds I am taking. .

sounds like she is trying to scare you to keep you away from aas/hgh. nothing to worry about imo just wait it out a couple of days.

-rodge

**Equiguns** · 05-11-2006, 01:30 PM

NOTE: Muscle twitching is from the oxandrolone and can be considered a dangerous side effect. Your physician already knew that, she is not scaring you, she actually knows more about this...make sure you drink lots and lots of water and supplement with potassium incase your not getting enough. Don't drink alcohol while running the ox.

**Booz** · 05-11-2006, 01:35 PM

not saying that you are wrong mate but can you explane to me why the var is responsible for the muscle twitching............thanks..

**Equiguns** · 05-11-2006, 01:40 PM

I will look it up for those that need it, I remember that from pharmacology back in school. I am checking my books as we "type"

**Equiguns** · 05-11-2006, 01:42 PM

A matter of fact, check out this gov medline site I am sure it has it listed in the side effects section, but I will post on here the physiological aspects of this reaction when I go home:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/d...r/a604024.html

**Equiguns** · 05-11-2006, 01:45 PM

Also, make note that running hgh and OX is pretty dangerous, when running the hgh it can make you insulin resistant (weak muscle feeling) and therefore you can temporarily show diabetic symptoms, something oxandrolone should not go with. diabetics dont want to run this stuff.. but you should be fine, you havent been running hgh long enough to become diabetic (or show diabetic symptoms)...good luck and adios, i'll get back on here later.

**pv66** · 05-11-2006, 03:40 PM

OK, well just read that link you put on here saying if you experience any of these side effects they will not go away, muscle twitches or weakness is one of them. It said to call your doctor immediately. I assume I should be concerned?

**Maldorf** · 05-11-2006, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by pv66

OK, well just read that link you put on here saying if you experience any of these side effects they will not go away, muscle twitches or weakness is one of them. It said to call your doctor immediately. I assume I should be concerned?

Ive had muscle twitches like you speak of. The last one I had was in my left quad, and it went away after about 4 days or so. To me if this was a side effect of the drugs you are taking it would be affecting your ENTIRE BODY, not just one specific area. I think what we experience as this twitching is perhaps a small injury to that muscle, some swelling that is putting pressure on a nerve perhaps. This is all speculation though, it doesnt make sense that the drug would only effect your one pectoral muscle and thats it.

**Equiguns** · 05-12-2006, 01:50 AM

no, dont get worried...keep close track of yourself, including dosage times, etc...listen to what i said earlier (whatever it was i posted earlier) and if for any reason anything happens, such as pain, fatigue, etc then contact your doc...she knows whats up...as far as the person who posted about specific muscles being affected, that makes no difference what-so-ever...i could explain it but examples would take many paragraphs...a person with high blood pressure can go blind (not traditionally related), you can be having a heart attack but your right foot may hurt, or your right hand, or (as shown on TV) your left arm...but those particular body parts have nothing to do with the heart or chest. Just shitty examples...i can't help you since you are not living in the state i am licensed...but you definately should keep tabs with your doc and she is the only one who knows whats really up...i cant say shit to you even if i wanted.

**Kale** · 05-12-2006, 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by Equiguns

no, dont get worried...keep close track of yourself, including dosage times, etc...listen to what i said earlier (whatever it was i posted earlier) and if for any reason anything happens, such as pain, fatigue, etc then contact your doc...she knows whats up...as far as the person who posted about specific muscles being affected, that makes no difference what-so-ever...i could explain it but examples would take many paragraphs...a person with high blood pressure can go blind (not traditionally related), you can be having a heart attack but your right foot may hurt, or your right hand, or (as shown on TV) your left arm...but those particular body parts have nothing to do with the heart or chest. Just shitty examples...i can't help you since you are not living in the state i am licensed...but you definately should keep tabs with your doc and she is the only one who knows whats really up...i cant say shit to you even if i wanted.

Bro are you a Dr ? I presume you are. I am interested to know why you think she would know anything about Var. In my experience Dr's know nothing about Steoids except the BS they read in the press. The Dr's I see certainly know nothing about them thats for sure.

**pv66** · 05-12-2006, 09:59 AM

For now at least I stopped the var, the last 10 mg tablet I took was yesterday morning. I am continuing the gh at least temporarily because this will be a better way of finding out if the twitching was truly due to the var. Thanks for that link Equiguns, I looked all over the internet yesterday for side effects, yet could not find anything mentioning twitching as one of them. What would anyone recommend to me in terms of another compound I could start in conjunction with the GH? I would not want this almost 3 weeks to go to waste? My primary concern going into this thing was hair loss, so I felt that var and gh together would be the least damaging combination. Thanks for your help.

**Ufa** · 05-12-2006, 11:52 AM

Every body gets cramps, twiching, ect. On cycle off cycle. The only twich to worry about would be the "heart'. If your ticker is cool stop worrying.
Shit! Give your self a break. All that stress is most likely the culprit.

**pv66** · 05-12-2006, 12:04 PM

A twitch is one thing Ufa, this is a continuous spasm that has been ongoing now for 3 days.

**Ufa** · 05-12-2006, 12:18 PM

I get those also. Have your Doctor perscribe generic Soma or a muscle relaxer. Are you dehyrated? Hope you are doing cardio. 30 or 40 minutes
on treadmill will do wonders. Make sure you are at least taking a multi vitamin.
I take a hand full of pills and anti oxidants, milk thistle, ect. Make sure you
are getting all the right minerals. Eating right? Fruits, vegitables, protien
drinks, meats salads. meats. No sugars, beers, tylenol, plenty of sleep.
Good luck! Hope it goes away.

**Equiguns** · 05-12-2006, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Kale

Bro are you a Dr ? I presume you are. I am interested to know why you think she would know anything about Var. In my experience Dr's know nothing about Steoids except the BS they read in the press. The Dr's I see certainly know nothing about them thats for sure.

Im a pgy1 resident, and the reason why she probably knows about var is because it has other uses as well, osteoperosis, turners syndrome, and of course hiv muscle wasting, etc...i am sure there are many more uses, but i think it became a controlled substance a while back. There are alot of docs that learn about different juices (people assume they dont know much but it really has to do with them not wanting or needing to know much), but you have to remember that pharmacokinetics is taught in med school, and is much much different then what people cover here on the boards...over here we look at cycles, dosage, antiE's, real world application of substance (that is a controlled substance by the way), and what that chick doc knows is totally different, she sees relations to the test axis, increase in androgens, liver toxicity values...blah blah To be honest, after learning this stuff over the past few years I realize juice is really bad stuff, but if done properly and the person has a resilient body then...well ah who cares? I dont cycle juice anymore, but may some day...

**Equiguns** · 05-12-2006, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by pv66

For now at least I stopped the var, the last 10 mg tablet I took was yesterday morning. I am continuing the gh at least temporarily because this will be a better way of finding out if the twitching was truly due to the var. Thanks for that link Equiguns, I looked all over the internet yesterday for side effects, yet could not find anything mentioning twitching as one of them. What would anyone recommend to me in terms of another compound I could start in conjunction with the GH? I would not want this almost 3 weeks to go to waste? My primary concern going into this thing was hair loss, so I felt that var and gh together would be the least damaging combination. Thanks for your help.

No problem, always check that gov site...with gh you can run igf or test (test would be the best) just run something for the hair...these days it surprises me what you can get from these sites...flavored sprays, etc...run some prop and it will hit you quickly, and start enth at the same time so your test shoots up quick...run something for the hair, and KEEP anti E and a good PCT ready since without perfect PCT you shouldnt waste the money on juice. Oh and time on equals time off.

**pv66** · 05-12-2006, 03:51 PM

I really wanted to run test but was concerned about the hair loss, so now I am back to square one.

**pv66** · 05-12-2006, 04:49 PM

Once this thing dies down, I'm considering changing to deca with the jintropin. Deca is equally safe on the hair.

**pv66** · 05-12-2006, 05:59 PM

Any thoughts on a good dosage for the deca with the gh?

**Ufa** · 05-12-2006, 09:20 PM

Don't run Deca with out test.

**Equiguns** · 05-12-2006, 09:49 PM

ufa is 100% CORRECT. In traditional medicine deca is often taken alone, but if you are juicin you dont want the DD...you will figure out what DD stands for later...you feel like shit too...

**pv66** · 05-15-2006, 08:04 AM

I'm familiar with the DD term yes. Any suggestions on what else I could run with the GH?

**Duma** · 05-15-2006, 06:24 PM

Guns I gotta tell ya man.....unless pv went to an endocrinologist there's no way this chic doctor knows anything of Anavar . We all know that the majority of the members on this forum know FAR more about steroids than doctors do. This is in no way putting down doctors....AAS is a niche thing in the medical community and the education on and study of said substances takes much lesser priority to other more widespread disease medicines. And pv....unless its a 24/7 twitch I honestly wouldn't sweat it. These things have happenned to all of us.

FYI Equiguns--Searle no longer makes Anavar in the US (perhaps even worldwide, cannot confirm that though.)

**Equiguns** · 05-15-2006, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by Duma

Guns I gotta tell ya man.....unless pv went to an endocrinologist there's no way this chic doctor knows anything of Anavar . We all know that the majority of the members on this forum know FAR more about steroids than doctors do. This is in no way putting down doctors....AAS is a niche thing in the medical community and the education on and study of said substances takes much lesser priority to other more widespread disease medicines. And pv....unless its a 24/7 twitch I honestly wouldn't sweat it. These things have happenned to all of us.

FYI Equiguns--Searle no longer makes Anavar in the US (perhaps even worldwide, cannot confirm that though.)

Make note, I was in contact with the subject (guy who posted this thread)and upon completion of his anavar, his muscle twitching/spasms stopped the next day. So his chick doctor and myself were correct in our assessments...Duma, also remember! Physicians don't use memorized knowledge, most of a physicians knowledge is the deduction of problems and medical text information management...(you will learn that very beginning of med school)...she has so many resources at her finger tips that she either looks this stuff up, or has in the past for another patient and remembers things. Not to mention after 2 years in clinicals and another 3 years in residency you see ALOT of things you would never think you would. I myself working out and juicing a while back have seen guys come in with anxiety attacks (2 of these), because of my knowledge and experience, other physicians will ask of allergies, drug reactions, send them for testing or mri's while I see a big muscular guy freaking out...I ask if they are on equipoise ...they say yes, and they think thats why they are having an anxiety attack...problem solved...now my 4 buddies who were in the ER confused who didn't know much just learned something new. Many physicians may not know much, but just FYI, look at me? There are times when I have seen patients and even friends who think I don't know shit, but find out not only do I know about this stuff, I have experienced it...not saying all physicians know everything by any means, saying that there are many that can soak up things over the years, many that can teach themselves, and many that just dont match the description but end up being very knowledgable in the wierdest of topics...ie I have a buddy who is a perm. licensed radiologist, a baller of magnitude, very intelligent, takes over a million a year to the bank, who you would never think...but used to be a coke addict and smoked week and drank til oblivion everyday through high school, through undergrad, through med school, and through most of residency, now to be cleaned up, but damn does he know his drugs stuff, he explained to me how to make meth and how to make "glass" and "crack" by boiling this and that and heating this and adding ephedrine and aspirin to this and that...i didn't understand crap but he knows it ALL, BUT he doesnt know about juice and I do...etc I hope you understand my long boring explanation. Many docs dont know their stuff, but that doesn't mean there aren't docs that do...matter of fact, my chick, fiance, is an RD (dietetics) and finishing up her MD...she knows juice, and almost every other performance enhancing substance known to man...why? She was taught by me and saw me shoot up 3, 4, 5 years ago...that a prime example...ask her what she likes, she'll tell you "winny is great for hardness" or she'll show you how to make tren from pellets...hehe, it's actually pretty cool, but when she is your doc 2 years from now, you would never know she is well versed in this stuff. Also, people stating physicians dont know enough or care enough is primarily the reason why i went into medicine. Most of my collegues are just like me and new medicine will be developing over the next 10 years...medicine will hopefully benefit.

**pv66** · 05-16-2006, 10:17 AM

Equiguns is right, I stopped taking it on Thursday of last week, and by Saturday the twitching was gone. I kept taking the GH so it was obviously due to the anavar . Now I'm trying to decide what to do in conjunction with the GH and have not made up my mind yet.

**Equiguns** · 05-17-2006, 02:05 AM

you should ask these people what affects dht the least...The subject is looking for something that will NOT affect hair loss...if anyone has any idea post it here...anything you guys know of that doesnt affect DHT? and will help him get slammed?