calling all mass monsters, build this beast

**Steele** · 05-14-2006, 03:42 PM

hey bros,
wanted to discuss what measures need to be taken to continue to grow and break thru plateaus as an advanced lifter.
i have atleast 5 steroid cycles under my belt and 1 growth/slin/aas cycle.

basically, i have used various substances at moderate doses and growing is VERY slow now. the last cycle i did included the gh and i put on 10 lbs in 4 months. i have always kept my doses pretty moderate (test has never been more than 700mg per week) i basically want some input on what substances and amounts of aas and grams of protein it takes you guys to continue to make gains.
my info: i started out as a hard gainer weighing 170 at 6' tall. five years later i weigh 225 with visible abs and arms went from 13 inches to 18 inches. i want to be 240 competition ready. i do compete now and my diet is up to par, though i have yet to eat 2gm per lbs of bodyweight.

how many grams of protein do you eat per lbs?
what substances and what kind of doses are you guys taking?
who has added close to a 100lbs to their frame and how?
what do you think your genetic limit was, and where are you now?
is it best to cycle non stop at low doses or cycle on/off with high doses?
how do you think pro's/strongmen cycle?

i have my own answers and theories to these questions, but want others opinions and/or experiences. thanks, STEELE

**Timm1704** · 05-14-2006, 03:57 PM

potentially interesting thread. looking forward to seeing some answers

**Steele** · 05-14-2006, 05:22 PM

thanks timm1704,
i have been on this board and in the game for quite awhile and we never seem to hit this topic directly. hoping for some info from competitors and experienced vets alike. you out there rodge???

**Equiguns** · 05-14-2006, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Steele

hey bros,
wanted to discuss what measures need to be taken to continue to grow and break thru plateaus as an advanced lifter.
i have atleast 5 steroid cycles under my belt and 1 growth/slin/aas cycle.

basically, i have tried everyting and growing is VERY slow now. the last cycle i did included the gh and i put on 10 lbs in 4 months. i have always kept my doses pretty moderate (test has never been more than 700mg per week) i basically want some input on what substances and amounts of aas and grams of protein it takes you guys to continue to make gains.
my info: i started out as a hard gainer weighing 170 at 6' tall. five years later i weigh 225 with visible abs and arms went from 13 inches to 18 inches. i want to be 240 competition ready. i do compete now and my diet is up to par, though i have yet to eat 2gm per lbs of bodyweight.

how many grams of protein do you eat per lbs?
what substances and what kind of doses are you guys taking?
who has added close to a 100lbs to their frame and how?
what do you think your genetic limit was, and where are you now?
is it best to cycle non stop at low doses or cycle on/off with high doses?
how do you think pro's/strongmen cycle?

i have my own answers and theories to these questions, but want others opinions and/or experiences. thanks, STEELE

When bulking I take in between 0.5 grams/lb and 0.75 g/lb and when CUTTING I take in minimum 1 g/lb and sometimes close to 1.25 g/lb...It is really a waste to run more then 1g/lb even though magazines and many BB tell you to take in hundreds of grams/day...just my educated opinion. I stopped cycling but I found the best cycles for gaining lean quality muscle included equipoise and test E or test prop. Winny was great when cutting and added strength and density. HGH is not great for adding mass without juice, so your 10 pounds is normal, remember, you likely dropped body fat as well. I HAVE put on approximately 100 lbs since my BB dreams began. I started at a medium (not lean, not fat) 175 pounds at 6.0 feet tall. I then, over the course of approximately 2-3 years put on about 80 pounds of muscle. At my peak, I was 255 pounds with visible abs and rounded muscle bellies, over 20 inch arms flexed. I then stopped working out TOTALLY, and have recently started up again not long ago, I am weighing approx 273-275 lbs of course still at 6 ft. (right now at 20-21% BF) and goals are to get down to 7 or 8%, which was my previous off season best. I should lose somewhere around 40 lbs, but my other goal is to add 10-15 lbs muscle while dropping the fat, using the HGH for an 8 month cycle. So thats my shpeel...my genetic potential is hard to tell, I started out as a small frame, small guy, and using only workouts and 3 cycles of juice i seemed to expand my frame.... I think I went from a chest in the late 30's (been a while so figures are hard to remember) and my chest is now close to ~49-50in (resting). MY waist however was a 30-32 size in jeans (loose fitting) and is now much bigger, I wear 36 size (and they are form fitting). I believe proper cycling is better then hormone replacement, etc. Running test and EQ (and hgh and maybe igf) for 20 weeks, then taking 20 weeks off with just running the hgh and igf still, then restarting test EQ, etc if you understand what i mean, Time on equals time off. PRos and strong men? They likely cycle year round, but if you do the way I prefer you can run clomid, nolva, AIs, HCG etc and go absolutely back to normal, keeping your body in a nice self efficient homeostasis.

**Steele** · 05-14-2006, 06:33 PM

this is great info equiguns!!!

**Steele** · 05-14-2006, 08:12 PM

anyone else???

**Equiguns** · 05-14-2006, 08:18 PM

thanks, i am sure you will get a ton of posts, you just need to wait for the bigger guys to see this thread...maybe you should label the thread "big gains" instead of mass monster, considering I would still feel small if it weren't for buddies pointing out size, etc.

**Steele** · 05-14-2006, 09:07 PM

i have tried to change the title and actually couldn't figure it out, nevermind just did it

**C_Bino** · 05-14-2006, 09:46 PM

Well I would say somethin is wrong with your training routine or diet if you cant gain anymore and you are only 225 at 6'. Thats not a knock on you but I just think something isnt exactly right if you are running HGH and AAS and not that big.
Diet is one of thee most important things to be considered when bodybuilding and if it isnt up to par than you will never be top of the game. Take a break and refine your routine now rather than your substances.

**Equiguns** · 05-15-2006, 01:16 AM

You know what I noticed, dude your 225 in great shape and 6' tall...you do realize that is great...IMO! a mass monster is someone in the 6' range weighing around 220-230 on stage (symmetrical and dry). I take it you would be on stage at around 180-200 lbs maybe (depending on what your meaning of "Seeing abs" is)? Have you ever competed? You don't have a very big gap to fill, I would say you could easily put yourself in the 220 on stage range (and take 1st-3rd depending on the comp). Also, RED's cycle is intense and if you are of age that would be something to look into, but if under 30 y/o hgh might not add too much mass, just reinforce gains. Also, unless you are well versed with insulin stay away, you must be responsible and familiar with this stuff...not to say if you run that cycle you wouldn't definately see the 230 mark on stage, because you likely would...IMO stay away from insulin until you are well ready and consult someone like RED who has experience, because books tell you all sorts of stuff, posts tell you all sorts of stuff, but real world experience is what matters the most...oh and stick with you doc, dont be afraid to tell them everything...

**Steele** · 05-15-2006, 06:44 AM

c bino,
i didn't mean i can't grow, i just said its very slow. not like the old days when a test/cyp cycle would put 20 lbs on me and i could keep 10-15lbs. i was a personal trainer at milos sarcev's gym and learned a ton from him, flex wheeler and shawn ray to name a few so i have a good idea of what it takes. i have been using moderate doses and only ran hgh once, which i really enjoyed. just wanting to hear others experiences and what they have to do to continue to make good gains.

red baron,
great minds think alike. that is almost the exact cycle i am doing right now. and thanks for the info about your eating habits, etc.

equiguns,
i have competed once and my next show is this fall. i have used slin and am completely comfortable with it. i was 198lbs and bloated for my first show, this fall i am hoping to weigh 210ish. on my way to weighing 240.

not looking for too much advice here, as i have had plenty of that on this site and elsewhere already. interested more in a response like eguiguns sharing his experience and what he has tried with success.

thanks for the responses so far.

**Equiguns** · 05-15-2006, 09:49 AM

well then...........you will be a monster, give it a year or two...you might be an ecto and just need some serious umph to get there. You have all the tools and the goals. Just make short term goals, 5-7 pounds at a time. I am in your league after quitting (NEVER QUIT TRAINING trust me on that comment) but now I want to lose weight, something I have never wanted to do. Also, dont always rely on weight, go by the mirror and the measuring tape before you go by the scale.. I have buds that will prove that remark. An old bud of mine is 5'10" 160 lbs. The guy looks like a mass monster himself. People used to compare us, myself being 6'0"-6'1" and 250+ at 10% BF or so and my buddy being 5'10" 158-160 at 8%...NO JOKE either. We were compared by tons of people, stating I looked like I was around 240 and he looked like he was around 200-210 but was shorter and stalky...after I heard that, it reinforced that what you see is more important than any numbers. I had 100 lbs on the guy but I usually only looked slightly larger then him volume/mass wise.

**Steele** · 05-15-2006, 11:20 AM

good point about remembering to go by the mirror. everyones shape is different.
how bout your health equiguns? after changing your body so much i am curious if any problems arised (besides continually buying new clothes)

looks like i am doing the right things to continue to grow. time to buy more gh. and set some short term goals. getting impatient i think. thanks a bunch equiguns, great to hear others experiences.

**needbigguns** · 01-04-2007, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Steele

the last cycle i did included the gh and i put on 10 lbs in 4 months.

Are these common mass gains for 4 months of HGH? How many IU's a day did you run and did u run GH alone or with AAS ?

***perfectbeast2001*** · 01-04-2007, 03:10 PM

how many grams of protein do you eat per lbs? 1.9g at the moment
what substances and what kind of doses are you guys taking? GH,IGF,Slin,Test,Deca,proviron at the moment all pretty low dose
who has added close to a 100lbs to their frame and how? No but i lost over 100lb of fat then added muscle
what do you think your genetic limit was, and where are you now? Still not reached, yes I know roids should be used after limit is reached
is it best to cycle non stop at low doses or cycle on/off with high doses? dont know
how do you think pro's/strongmen cycle? I've met a couple, lots of Anadrol,Halo,Anavar,Test,Tren. the ones I met had no clue about PCT or sensible cycles and basically ran pretty high doses year round and peaked at comps. Told me that at many of the scandinavian events UGLs came round and gave them free gear which they used as much as they could.

**Animal505** · 01-08-2007, 09:38 PM

this is a great toppic
BUMP!

**Steele** · 01-13-2007, 12:13 PM

thats crazy about the strong menand ugl labs!!! well, it has been sometime since i posted this "survey" and i am basically going to cycle AAS and slin/igf/mgf/hgh together sometimes and seperate when in pct. keep things at a low dose and just grow.

about the gh cycle: yes, i did a gh/test cycle for 4 months and gained 10 lbs, which i think is right on track. i lost bodyfat too so thats a pretty good result.