some hgh questions

**toofatbuilder** · 06-13-2006, 12:47 AM

now, ive read up on hgh a little bit, but i want to talk to someone who has taken it before, or knows someone who has. so, anyone take hgh? or have you taken it? how does it make you feel? would you do it again? any advice on it? is it a black market thing? how much better is it then steroids if at all? how good is it for weight loss? whats the average weight you could put on of lean muscle for a cycle of it? whats an average cycle? whats an average doseage per shot/week/cycle?

**oldman** · 06-13-2006, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by toofatbuilder

now, ive read up on hgh a little bit, but i want to talk to someone who has taken it before, or knows someone who has. so, anyone take hgh?

>>> lots of people take GH.

or have you taken it?

>>>

how does it make you feel?

>> broke.. GH is not a mood altering drug so I am not sure what you are wanting here.

would you do it again?

>> Until I die

any advice on it?

>> as in what? I would advise not to use it if that is you in your Avvy, I would advise not to do it if you are young, I would advise not to use if you know nothing about it, I would advise not to use it unless you have the $$$ to use it long term.

is it a black market thing?

>> research it more.. No it is not black market stuff (can be but read more)

how much better is it then steroids if at all?

>> For what?? AAS and GH are not even close to being the same type of drugs

how good is it for weight loss?

>> Get over to the diet section, GH will do NOTHING to help you lose weight.

whats the average weight you could put on of lean muscle for a cycle of it?

>> No such thing. GH is not a muscle builder and you don't really cycle GH. READ READ READ

whats an average cycle?

>> See above

whats an average doseage per shot/week/cycle?

>> There is no standard dose. Many people use 2-4Iu's 5/2 or 6/1

~Old

**IBdmfkr** · 06-13-2006, 07:16 AM

toofat, honestly I don't think GH would benefit you too greatly.. but a descent diet and excercise program would do wonders.

**BIG_T_MC06** · 06-13-2006, 07:32 AM

Stop being lazy and trying to get us to do your research for ya!

There are thousands of pages you could (and should if you are considering using it)read about GH and it's effects.

T

**toofatbuilder** · 06-13-2006, 01:08 PM

like i said, ive read about it. the only thing ive found that ive absorbed was that you have to get it from a DR. ive read all the things it helps you with, including "fat burning" thats why i was wondering if it actually does. i havent seen anything about amount per week. i read it was a cycle thing. i havent read that you need to continue on with it.... and i was told that you can put on an average of 20-35 lbs of lean muscle in a 10 week cycle. this is a cross of things ive been told and read. i havent gotten a straight answer on things. thats why i figured, where better to ask then here. thanks old for the answers.... ya, i know IBdm im workin on the excersize right now, im going to start the diet portion soon.

**oldman** · 06-13-2006, 01:16 PM

i read it was a cycle thing. i havent read that you need to continue on with it.... and i was told that you can put on an average of 20-35 lbs of lean muscle in a 10 week cycle.

All this is very false. GH is a long term, IMO a lifetime use item. You do not put on Mass like this with GH it is not a mass builder at all.

Diet, cardio and lifting is where it really is. no magic bullet will get anyone away from this truth.

Good luck

~Old

***JohnnyB*** · 06-13-2006, 01:35 PM

HGH is an age dependent thing too, it works better if you're older, even better if your HGH levels are low. Damn 25-30 lbs in 10 weeks, that's a good AAS cycle, HGH doesn't put out those types of gains and for sure not in 10 weeks. You don't start seeing results until 3-4 months.

JohnnyB

**Oki-Des** · 06-13-2006, 06:22 PM

I have been doing 4 IU's of HGH for my fifth month now. I am using Jin and beleive I am possibly 5 pounds lighter than I may have been if was not on it. I am only slightly more vascular than I would have been and cannot distinguish much of a difference. What everyone saying is correct. It is a great product, but will not perform miracles.

**vermin** · 06-13-2006, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by toofatbuilder

i was told that you can put on an average of 20-35 lbs of lean muscle in a 10 week cycle

**G-Force** · 06-14-2006, 05:24 AM

quoting oldman:

>> Get over to the diet section, GH will do NOTHING to help you lose weight.

whats the average weight you could put on of lean muscle for a cycle of it?

>> No such thing. GH is not a muscle builder and you don't really cycle it

you are saying hgh does not reduce bf? and does not add muscle?

both these statements are false - that is exactly what it does
hyperplasia

**oldman** · 06-14-2006, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by G-Force

quoting oldman:

>> Get over to the diet section, GH will do NOTHING to help you lose weight.

whats the average weight you could put on of lean muscle for a cycle of it?

>> No such thing. GH is not a muscle builder and you don't really cycle it

you are saying hgh does not reduce bf? and does not add muscle?

both these statements are false - that is exactly what it does
hyperplasia

GH IN ITSELF is NOT a muscle builder per se, GH IN ITSELF is NOT a diet drugs in the least bit. Look at his question and tell me that my advise is not sound.

Yes it CAN reduce BF and yes it CAN help increase muscle but you are taking my word way out of context to try to make me look stupid. This guy should not even be dreaming of GH or AAS at this point.

So a guy that is obviously 25+% BF should be told to use GH to lose weight and build muscle. Come on bro I know more about this than you think.

~Old

**G-Force** · 06-14-2006, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by oldman

GH IN ITSELF is NOT a muscle builder per se, GH IN ITSELF is NOT a diet drugs in the least bit. Look at his question and tell me that my advise is not sound.

Yes it CAN reduce BF and yes it CAN help increase muscle but you are taking my word way out of context to try to make me look stupid. This guy should not even be dreaming of GH or AAS at this point.

So a guy that is obviously 25+% BF should be told to use GH to lose weight and build muscle. Come on bro I know more about this than you think.

~Old

on the contrary
i dont doubt u have alot of knowledge on the subject

and yes after reading it again, i agree i did take it out of context as i was reading it far too quickly, so i apologise for that

yes at 25% bf then there is more than enough he can benefit from without resorting to drugs or hormones

i believe this is what u were saying? in which case i agree

but stating that hgh does not have these positive effects on the human body, despite scientific research and thousands of people achieving fat loss and new muscle tissue growth - is and always will be false

i stand by that statement but i apologise for taking it out of context - it wasnt an attempt at 'making u look stupid'

**oldman** · 06-14-2006, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by G-Force

on the contrary
i dont doubt u have alot of knowledge on the subject

and yes after reading it again, i agree i did take it out of context as i was reading it far too quickly, so i apologise for that

yes at 25% bf then there is more than enough he can benefit from without resorting to drugs or hormones

i believe this is what u were saying? in which case i agree

but stating that hgh does not have these positive effects on the human body, despite scientific research and thousands of people achieving fat loss and new muscle tissue growth - is and always will be false

i stand by that statement but i apologise for taking it out of context - it wasnt an attempt at 'making u look stupid'

No worries. i agree 100% with your statement on the benefits Iprobably should have been mor specific on stating it would not have the benefit HE was looking for.

It is so hard to show inflection in words when typing or what is really trying to be said and in what context.. I appoligize for sounding like a jerk.. I should not have.. I think I need coffee

Thanks bro..

~Old

**G-Force** · 06-14-2006, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by oldman

No worries. i agree 100% with your statement on the benefits Iprobably should have been mor specific on stating it would not have the benefit HE was looking for.

It is so hard to show inflection in words when typing or what is really trying to be said and in what context.. I appoligize for sounding like a jerk.. I should not have.. I think I need coffee

Thanks bro..

~Old

no probs man

- i totally agree about the difficulties in deciphering words over text

i have many an argument with my girlfriend on msn messenger just cos things get taken out of context - its a nightmare

we decided not to msn each other anymore in the end cos it caused too many arguments

probably for the best

keep up the good work

**Kale** · 06-14-2006, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by G-Force

no probs man

- i totally agree about the difficulties in deciphering words over text

i have many an argument with my girlfriend on msn messenger just cos things get taken out of context - its a nightmare

we decided not to msn each other anymore in the end cos it caused too many arguments

probably for the best

keep up the good work

Wait till you get a Thai GF like me who doest read english well and you do most talking by SMS. Confusion reins supreme !!!!

**G-Force** · 06-14-2006, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by Kale

Wait till you get a Thai GF like me who doest read english well and you do most talking by SMS. Confusion reins supreme !!!!

ha ha i can see how that might be a problem

**toofatbuilder** · 06-14-2006, 01:27 PM

ok, what are the perks of my grandfather using them? hes 67 and about 15% bf. he has complained about muslce softness and obvious lack of stamina when lifting things. he also complains about some joint problems.... and all the other problems of getting older.

**abcde** · 06-14-2006, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by toofatbuilder

ok, what are the perks of my grandfather using them? hes 67 and about 15% bf. he has complained about muslce softness and obvious lack of stamina when lifting things. he also complains about some joint problems.... and all the other problems of getting older.

Caution for older users (or anyone with a possible cancer link) - screen for cancer first to make sure they do not have cancer, are cancer prone with a past history or family history, etc. HGH makes all cells grow, including cancer cells.

**toofatbuilder** · 06-14-2006, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by abcde

Caution for older users (or anyone with a possible cancer link) - screen for cancer first to make sure they do not have cancer, are cancer prone with a past history or family history, etc. HGH makes all cells grow, including cancer cells.

really, thanks for that. ya, i told him he should ask his dr next time he goes in. just to see what he thinks. i dont want him doin anything not perscribed.

**toofatbuilder** · 06-14-2006, 10:46 PM

thanks a bunch redbaron. ya, as for me.... i was just wondering what my options are other then aas. but as for my grandfather, im serious about him takin that. its hard to see him age like this. hes been like a father and id like for him to be able to do all the things he wants to. some days its even hard for him to work on his hot rod. thanks for all your info. if the dr thinks it would be safe for him but he wont perscribe it for him, maybe ill try to get him hooked up. thanks again....

**toofatbuilder** · 06-16-2006, 12:45 PM

you think this looks good for my grandfather
please change anything you want. this is just a base line

HGH or HRT
test e 100-200mg week
arimidex eod or ed .25-1mg day
deca -durabolin 100mg week joint pain