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The guy has been doing 60mcg's/day of this stuff. He has only been running it for 3 wks, so far he's lost noticable bodyfat and even gained 8 lbs!! And all the while still eating shit like donuts and cookies. So does the shit work, ummm yeah I'm convinced!!
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Bullsh*t
Go ahead and be convinced, but there is no fvcking way.
Originally Posted by stayinstacked
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Utter garbage dude!!! No way you could eat like shit and lose body fat....especially while taking IGF. Insulin like...remember!!! Its a transport tool. Give yourself shit and that is what you will but on.....shit!!! I was lean and mean then I took a small 1 month cycle of this suff. Ranging from 20mcg to 40mcg/day. I might have gained roughly 2 lbs and I definately leaned up beyond my expecttations but my diet was super clean!!
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Well, I have no trouble believing he gained 8 pounds in 3 weeks while eating cookies & donuts....
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The use of growth hormone has been increasing in popularity among athletes, due of course to the numerous benefits associated with use. To begin with, GH stimulates growth in most body tissues, primarily due to increases in cell number rather than size. This includes skeletal muscle tissue, and with the exception of eyes and brain all other body organs. The transport of amino acids is also increased, as is the rate of protein synthesis. All of these effect are actually mediated by IGF-1 (insulin-like growth factor), a highly anabolic hormone produced in the liver and other tissues in response to growth hormone (peak levels of IGF-1 are noted approximately 20 hours after HGH administration). Growth hormone itself also stimulated triglyceride hydrolysis in adipose tissue, usually producing notable fat loss during treatment. GH also increases glucose output in the liver, and induces insulin resistance by blocking the activity of this hormone in target cells. A shift is seen where fats become a more primary source of fuel, further enhancing body fat loss.
I found this in an article I was researching. I was under the impression that IGF-1 helps speed protien synthesis and contributes to fat loss, if it doesnt then why do people stay on it pre contest? I did not post this to prove a point, I have in fact never used the stuff yet. When I say my buddy eats shit, I dont mean shit every meal, but yes, everyday is not clean for him, he'll wake up in the middle of the night and eat crap sometimes.
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Did you read Webb's journal? Do you realize that with poor diet IGF can cause insulin shock/coma, just like insulin? I suppose nearly anything is possible, but those results seem hard to attribute to IGF in 3 weeks, esp. with a weak diet.
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on lr3 you can eat like sh!t and still loose some BF%. yes it has insulin like properties but its fat burning properties exceed those of hgh imo.
-rodge
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interesting...i'm gonna go buy me a dozen glazed right now!
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So you would not be concerned about sugar like with insulin?
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I have used 100mcg a day for 30 days and did not gain anything or lost anything for that matter. I could not even feel I was taking it.
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Does it come with 1000mcg of IGF?
That would be selling like hot cakes
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Those results just seem unrealistic in that time frame.
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i would agree that the gains stated are unrealistic in the time frame but i would also say that Morgan you was either taking IGF with no active ingrediants or one of the few that does not react to IGF ...
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I have used it for about 60 days at 100mcgs a day. with clen which is not recommended. i definiately saw the fat burn off and had great pumps at the gym but didn't gain much weight. it is a great product but i don't know about muscle mass.
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I tried IGF from 2 different sources.
Both the powder form and premixed.
Nothing to report. No pump or anything else.
I am still not sure if the product I used was good or not since I dont really belive you can be 100% non responder to IGF.
I am tempted to try it again.
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were you on anything else or did you take it by itself. (including sups. and hormones)
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Morgan - i have used the IGtropin from GenSci and the premixed version from Muscle Research both with great results if they was not the versions give them a try i have had great results from as little as 40mcg's per day...
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Right, but loosing body fat in the process is the turd in this punchbowl.
Lets say the guy weighed in at 200, noticable fat loss might be 5 pounds (who the fvck knows) so the guy gained 13 pounds of lean mass in 3 weeks ( 8 pounds + 5 fat loss).
Bullsh*t
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Define eat like sh!t for us please.
Most of us are fairly well versed in nutrition.
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i ran it for a month and didn't see results like that. it may be different on a more serious cutting diet for me.
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eat like sh!t to me is: my regular diet + everything that feel like having,applepie,burgers,fries and milkshakes etc.
-rodge
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if someone is eating 6 meals a day; 1-4 pro/fat then hitting the gym and pwo1&2 pro/carb; what would be the best time to incorporate lr3?
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I tried it by itself.
Tried it with HGH too.
I am thinking what I used is bunk since I even tried 100mcg on empty stomach first think in the morning and could not even tell I took it.
I read a lot of people are having hits or miss with IGF.
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I will try some again.
I have a source that I like and so far he only have good reports on this IGF.
I will try his soon I think.
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Dude, I was making a joke...who couldn't gain 8 poinds eating donuts? I could do it in 3 days or less, no LR3 required...Right, but loosing body fat in the process is the turd in this punchbowl.
Lets say the guy weighed in at 200, noticable fat loss might be 5 pounds (who the fvck knows) so the guy gained 13 pounds of lean mass in 3 weeks ( 8 pounds + 5 fat loss).
Bullsh*t
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i believe the fat loss in that tmie frame for sure...and as for the 8 pounds i am not totally against that either...in my journal i was on a strict diet for a show and my carbs were very low, i manahged to drop bf and still stay at the same weight, so in total i gained a bit and i was only on 100mcg for 10 days, so i think he might be rightm but as for the donuts, i think that his diet is more than just donuts and crap, he is prolly bulking clean and just having them when he wants like rodge said...if his diet was just donuts then i will call BS too, but i believe the results...
the pumps after only 4 days were so drastic, it felt like i was 290lbs not 230lbs and ripped, vascular and dry...also best training day in 4 years while on my first carb depletion day training....so with good diet and a few donuts and runnning it for 3 weeks i believe it is entirely possible...
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OK, I'll shut up then.
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I know bud....this whole thread is a waste of time. Might as well have some fun
Dude, I was making a joke...who couldn't gain 8 poinds eating donuts? I could do it in 3 days or less, no LR3 required...
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if someone is eating 6 meals a day; 1-4 pro/fat then hitting the gym and pwo1&2 pro/carb; what would be the best time to incorporate lr3? right before eating pwo2 where I'll be consuming carbs or is first thing in th emorning on an empty stomach okay?
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Very good sir 4+ pounds of lean mass per week sounds reasonable to me too then. Everybody should be doing this stuff. Its great!
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Ok understandable bro, perhaps not as harsh as I stated but I still would not eat a bunch of donuts expecting to get great results even if it does have fat burning properties beyond having other properties similar to insulin. It is still a trasnport and one would spec how much of the fat would actually be used as good fuel for the muscle cell! I've seen guys who take insulin and eat fat......they look like crap! Not saying that insulin and IGFR3 are the same but.....
Keeping the diet clean is the way to go!! Also I was lean at the time. If one were not in shape, I guess you might notice a diff if you take it and keep a shitty diet.
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can u take IGF right after pct or do u have to wait likes its gear?
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lr3 can be cycled 4on/4off all through the year, with or without gear/pct.
its a great addition to pct tho, not a substitute.
-rodge
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but what if i just got done with a cycle of test e and i cant get it until after my pct?
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nvm sorry i reread what u said. yes u can
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Holy shit, whats this? Oh my God, somebody who actually uses this stuff and COMPETES, who believes it's possible? WTF!! Yeah, guess I am crazy. Wait wait wait......Rodge chimes in about it too, and he competes?? No way, NO WAY!!!! You mean guys with their actual contest pics for avatars are begging to differ against some of you, whats up with this? And do you fellas even know how much fake GH and IGF there is floating around out there?
VET Retired
I call BULLSHI!!
Really guys calling BS on this is not wise, to many variables. Genetics, training, diet quality of IGF etc all play a vital role in the final outcome.
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One of the most important variables of results with IGF-1 is injection timing.
There is pretty compelling evidence that immediately-postworkout injections in the muscle trained are the way to go, anything else being far inferior.
BTW guys: any muscle gains out of IGF-1 are PERMANENT. You CANNOT LOSE THEM.
Heck at that rate, 1lb a week on it seems pretty fantastic, if you use it a month ON and a month OFF, you can add a PERMANENT 20lbs of muscle in a year.
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Hell at 4 pounds a week, there is no reason we can't put on at least 100 pounds of permanent muscle just by using IGF 8 weeks on 8 weeks off all year.
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