hello everyone

**mikehawk82** · 07-28-2006, 04:21 PM

whats up everyone newbie here. ive been lookin through the forums and reading up on gh, igf etc. i have done a few cycles of deca /dbol /sust. i have gained about 20lbs of muscle while dropping bodyfat. it just seems virtually impossible for me to drop below about 8-10% bf and lose that "stubborn" fat(love handles, inner thighs, etc). i am really excited to try hgh AND/OR igf, slin. my goal is to gain 10lbs of muscle and lose about 10lbs of body fat(roughly). i am 25y/o 6'2'' 225 and around 10-11% right now. ive heard gf needs to be ran about 6mos to be effective. question is, i guess. which of the 3 would be best for getting sub 6%bf?? im sure everyone will say "DO ALL 3" but money is a factor here. how much would a 6month cycle of gh, igf, and slin run(approximate of course). i do have a source, same place i bought my letro from *** nutrition(think i can put that). so many questions...if i buy from them..do i want hgh fragment? ghrp-6? I KNOW THIS IS ALOT GUYS, but if someone has the time..help me out. thanks guys.

**Gear** · 07-28-2006, 08:40 PM

Hi and welcome to AR.

Have tiy tried all the original ways to loose fat first? Cardio, diet? Have you tried using milder drugs such as Clenbuterol ? If not, give those things a go and see how you go.

Now as for loosing fat, well it does take time, and it certinly takes long when you have that last little bit to loose, and I don't know for how long you have been trying to lower your BF, but perhaps you are not patient.

Anyway, when it comes to fat loss, I wouldn't bother with insulin or IGF/IGF1LR3. HGH does tend to be beneficial for fat loss purposes, but many will also disagree to this. IMO, GH is way too much just for fat loss purpose. Surely if you cardio, diet and perhaps use a milder drug, you will get results. Some people gain easy, some take a bit longer, some take extra too long to gain so perhaps you are one of those slow gainers?

Now as for loosing fat and gaining muscle at the same time, well that's going to be a mission for you. It's very hard to gain both of those things at the same time. I would either bulk, or cut. People genreally will bulk and then cut up, that's what I would do and if you after fat loss, then I wouldn't worry about not gaining any muscle, just concentrate on lossing the excess fat.

If you do decide to run HGH, I would run it for about 6 months. Most start to see results around 8th - 12th week mark, so I would run it for at least 4 - 5 months. In terms of how mucha cycle of HGH costs, well this depends on many things. How much are going to take? How long for? What brand are you using? All these depend on how much your cycle will approx cost.

As I said, I would stick to cardioing and extra strict dieting. You will feel like crap, but the results are more than likely to come. I don't know your tranining/diet schedule so I can't say if you are trying hard enough but IMO there are many other alternatives before you turn to HGH.

All the best mate.

-Gear

**mikehawk82** · 07-29-2006, 10:19 AM

thanks for the reply. well i have tried clen /t3 together...but i seem to lose muscle along with the fat. i know i should prob be using winny/test and maybe eq to go along with this, but i know winny is a big one for hair loss(ive cycled it before). im showing signs of a receeding hairline. on my winny/eq/test e cycle i was probably down to about 8% body fat, pretty ripped-but i was only 205lbs. my goal is to keep my weight of 225 or even 230 at around 5% i was just thinking about trying something new (hgh) along with test E to see what results i get.

**spywizard** · 07-29-2006, 11:34 AM

welcome.. what you want to do is the dream of all body builders..

it just takes time..

***JohnnyB*** · 07-29-2006, 02:23 PM

Welcome to A-R

JohnnyB

**mikehawk82** · 07-29-2006, 03:45 PM

thanks guys.
lets say i do decide on a gh cycle. ive heard test and gh go good together. say im running 750mgs test e/week and 8iu's a day(5/2) of gh......now, everyone says run gh for about 6mos(4mos minimum). would u start with a 12 week cycle of test? or the last 12 weeks? or for some of u meatheads(haha) would u run test the whole 24weeks?

**Gear** · 07-30-2006, 02:03 AM

Run GH for a few months before starting AAS. I wouldn't use test E if you want to cut up, test E tends to make you retain water so that will give you the bloated/fat look, and you don't want that if you are cutting. If you endup doing a cycle, I would run it 8 - 12 weeks depending on what compound I used. Many run long term cycles, but I always run 8 - 12 week cycles because that's what suits me.

-Gear

**juiceboxxx** · 07-30-2006, 02:19 AM

welcome bro

**mikehawk82** · 07-30-2006, 04:17 AM

thank you gear, and juicebox. i am pretty educated on aas, but not too smart on the gh/igf. im gonna start saving money now...or try to win the lotto

**juiceboxxx** · 07-30-2006, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by mikehawk82

thank you gear, and juicebox. i am pretty educated on aas, but not too smart on the gh/igf. im gonna start saving money now...or try to win the lotto

get in line bro bahhhh