Disadvantages to running GH less than 5 months?

[Random]

Guys, i have no experience with Gh..but what are the disadvantages to running GH less than 5 months? Is it simply that most people will be disappointed with the results and it will take longer for your body to respond to it?

Anyone on here get great results running it like 3-4 months? and

How do pros run it so long when theyre always traveling and doing guest posings? surely they cant always time it 5 on and 2 off...?

Do people generally have better results using it during bulking or a cutting cycle?

[spywizard]

the purpose of the 5/2 is for $$$$..

most will not run it 7 days but 6/1 if the $$$ is not the issue..

as for the amount of time on.. the effects are cumulative, that is yes 3 months you will notice some things and at 6 months you will notice alot more..

[SPIKE]

I wouldnt really use the word disadvantage Capt, you'll still notice some gains just not as much if you run it longer. By the tim IGF levels get high enough to really start making progress you'll be coming off, really makes no sense. That's why so many more are taking the LR3 route. Takes weeks to notice gains not months. I prefer to use them both though, no one ever said this was a cheap lifestyle...

If I were you I definitely would not waste my $$ on a 3-4 month run. Either save your moeny and run 6+ months or jump on the LR3 bandwagon. Many dislike LR3, I love it.............

[Random]

By the tim IGF levels get high enough to really start making progress you'll be coming off, really makes no sense. That's why so many more are taking the LR3 route

Thanks Jay that makes alot of sense...so if i were to invest in Gh...would it be better to run it during my off-season or precontest? any more experiences would be helpfull too....thanks again

[oswaldosalcedo]

Guys, i have no experience with Gh..but what are the disadvantages to running GH less than 5 months? Is it simply that most people will be disappointed with the results and it will take longer for your body to respond to it?

Anyone on here get great results running it like 3-4 months? and

How do pros run it so long when theyre always traveling and doing guest posings? surely they cant always time it 5 on and 2 off...?

Do people generally have better results using it during bulking or a cutting cycle?

good answers:
Why the necessity for long (6 month+) runs of GH?
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=232218

[SPIKE]

...so if i were to invest in Gh...would it be better to run it during my off-season or precontest?

I'd say both but finances I'm sure will put a stop to that huh Capt?

[Random]

I'd say both but finances I'm sure will put a stop to that huh Capt?

Lolol yea for sure man, im broke!!

[Triposinator]

I will be at 5 months on August 16th. 4iu/day of Jin.

I can tell you my results thus far are nothing to write home about.
At this point my primary benefits have been to eliminate tendonitis that I had for many years.

However, if you search around here you can find all sorts of hyperbole about what a wonder drug it is. Many of these "results" are when other gear/aas are used at the same time. There are few pure hgh logs here on the forum.

Pure Igf logs are scarce here as well.

Guys, i have no experience with Gh..but what are the disadvantages to running GH less than 5 months? Is it simply that most people will be disappointed with the results and it will take longer for your body to respond to it?

Anyone on here get great results running it like 3-4 months? and

[pscarb]

I prefer to use them both though, no one ever said this was a cheap lifestyle........

agree with you there mate...
i am running 4 weeks on 4 weeks off on the IGF-1LR3 and using GH 10iu's eod throughout gonna be running this for as long as i can at the moment i have enough for 10months...

like jayhova said this ain't a cheap lifestyle...

[Carlos_E]

Many dislike LR3, I love it.............

What do they dislike about it?

[rodge]

What do they dislike about it?

i gues it did,nt turn out to be the wonder drug they hoped for ie. loosing tons of bf% and gaining alot of lbs of lean mass

-rodge

[Triposinator]

It actually takes very little time for IGF levels to climb substantially with hgh. In approximately 1 month my levels went up 300%. Other published studies back this up too. In another thread Red Baron explained that it is the duration of time IGF levels need to be elevated that drives long hgh cycles.

Here's my question

How the hell can IGF cycled for a few weeks ever yeild any benefits other than fat loss?

Show me an honest to god pure IGF LR3 cycle log with no AAS envolved where there was anything more than some fat loss.

By the tim IGF levels get high enough to really start making progress you'll be coming off, really makes no sense. That's why so many more are taking the LR3 route. Takes weeks to notice gains not months. I prefer to use them both though, no one ever said this was a cheap lifestyle...

[comradebillyboy]

It actually takes very little time for IGF levels to climb substantially with hgh. In approximately 1 month my levels went up 300%. Other published studies back this up too. In another thread Red Baron explained that it is the duration of time IGF levels need to be elevated that drives long hgh cycles.

Here's my question

How the hell can IGF cycled for a few weeks ever yeild any benefits other than fat loss?

Show me an honest to god pure IGF LR3 cycle log with no AAS envolved where there was anything more than some fat loss.

What you are saying makes sense to me. I would guess that the aas gives the mass gains. while igf metabolizes fat like crazy. So maybe there is now a combo that lets you bulk and cut at the same time. As more folks try the stuff a better picture will emerge.

[SPIKE]

What do they dislike about it?

i gues it did,nt turn out to be the wonder drug they hoped for

That's basically it Carlos. Everyone expects too much from it and when they dont get crazy gains like if they were eating 10 d-bol a day they rule it useless. If you know what to expect you'll be satisfied.

[SPIKE]

Here's my question

How the hell can IGF cycled for a few weeks ever yeild any benefits other than fat loss?

Everytime I have ran it was always during or post cycle never really alone. So all my feedback will come with AAS or post AAS (PCT). I have read of many experiencing LBM gains using it alone. Just b/c the scale weight doesnt move drastically dosent mean that you're not gaining LBM. Many will run orals for a month and gain 20lbs. and walk around with a boner claiming it's all LBM .

I'll vouch for LR3 all day as its produced great gains in my life working towards my goals. My goals will vary greatly with others so LR3 may be a complete waste to some but it proves to be quite useful my life.

[WEBB]

it is by far the best thing i have ever incorpoated into a cycle, especially precomp...i will never ever do another cycle or comp with out it...i am planning on running it 5 weeks on 5 weeks off at 100mcg ed, with 9 iu of GH ed for 52 weeks, and 10i.u of slin pwo on the 5 weeks of from IGF, this is all with a heavy test c, eq, deca, tren e, cycle.... I will keep a log for every one...but with out a doubt IGF is better imo on the wallet and for faster results...i noticed a huge differnce in just 4 days on very low carb and comp cutting diet...

[pscarb]

we all react diffrently to every substance so i really don't how anyone can definatly say that no one will see LBM using IGF-1LR3 and will only see fatloss just because their experiances or those done on some lab rat did not yeild LBM results....

[oswaldosalcedo]

What do they dislike about it?

10 grams of lean mass?

[Triposinator]

They are dissapointed partly out of ignorance, and partly by believing BS posts. For example recently someone posted a story about a friend gaining 12 pounds of LBM in 3 weeks from 60mcg of IGF/day - with a fvcked up diet/

Since we now have sponsers selling IGF, I think it is increasingly difficult
for Noobs to get the straight poop on what to really expect from IGF.

That's basically it Carlos. Everyone expects too much from it and when they dont get crazy gains like if they were eating 10 d-bol a day they rule it useless. If you know what to expect you'll be satisfied.

[guest589745]

it is by far the best thing i have ever incorpoated into a cycle, especially precomp...i will never ever do another cycle or comp with out it...i am planning on running it 5 weeks on 5 weeks off at 100mcg ed, with 9 iu of GH ed for 52 weeks, and 10i.u of slin pwo on the 5 weeks of from IGF, this is all with a heavy test c, eq, deca, tren e, cycle.... I will keep a log for every one...but with out a doubt IGF is better imo on the wallet and for faster results...i noticed a huge differnce in just 4 days on very low carb and comp cutting diet...

Did you notice any positive effects on joints?

[guest589745]

Everytime I have ran it was always during or post cycle never really alone. So all my feedback will come with AAS or post AAS (PCT). I have read of many experiencing LBM gains using it alone. Just b/c the scale weight doesnt move drastically dosent mean that you're not gaining LBM. Many will run orals for a month and gain 20lbs. and walk around with a boner claiming it's all LBM .

I'll vouch for LR3 all day as its produced great gains in my life working towards my goals. My goals will vary greatly with others so LR3 may be a complete waste to some but it proves to be quite useful my life.

Did you notcei any positiev effects ojn your joints either?

[guest589745]

If you know what to expect you'll be satisfied.

I only expect to get huge pumps after 3-5 days and heal my shoulders AcromioClavicular ligament (hopefully a lot) a bit to help me be more pain free when lifting.

I dont care about or expect any gains in muscle mass or fat loss at all.


Expecting too much?

[SPIKE]

They are dissapointed partly out of ignorance, and partly by believing BS posts.

I agree, some of these posts are farfetched.

Did you notcei any positiev effects ojn your joints either?

I did not, never had any issues with joints though

Expecting too much?

I've read more on people using GH rather then LR3 to heal ligament damage. You may want to read up a bit more on this one. Post a thread to see if any others have had postive effects on joints and ligaments SM. Wish I could help more on this one....

[twiney]

I have ran LR3 on it`s own at high doses and can tell you it does not produce any pure muscle gains.Great for 1-2% fat loss on a non restricted diet,and if you on a restricted diet (watch your carbs) it will do wonders.It`s the type of hormone that make you look good in the mirror,but as for lean mass it`s not going to happen.

[twiney]

Lolol yea for sure man, im broke!!

If your broke and you want to gain muscle,think of home-brew,not HGH!!!!

[pscarb]

I have ran LR3 on it`s own at high doses and can tell you it does not produce any pure muscle gains.Great for 1-2% fat loss on a non restricted diet,and if you on a restricted diet (watch your carbs) it will do wonders.It`s the type of hormone that make you look good in the mirror,but as for lean mass it`s not going to happen.

did you lose weight whilst using it on its own??

[twiney]

did you lose weight whilst using it on its own??

For sure,I like longer cycles,I use it until I get the results I want usually I aim for 2% loss then I cycle.I like to cycle lean,thats when your body gains best with ASS.

[guest589745]

I have ran LR3 on it`s own at high doses and can tell you it does not produce any pure muscle gains.Great for 1-2% fat loss on a non restricted diet,and if you on a restricted diet (watch your carbs) it will do wonders.It`s the type of hormone that make you look good in the mirror,but as for lean mass it`s not going to happen.

Check out my thread in this forum

[vermin]

I think there must be a dosing element here, too. That 1990 NEJM paper on older men got 8.8% increase in LBM and 14.4% decease in fat in 6 months while dosing at .03IU per KG EOD. That's cool, but they were generally fatty couch potatoes and all over 60, so I doubt the folks on this forum would generally do so well on so low a dose.

On the other hand, in the 2003 Healy et. al. in (J Clin Endocrinol
Metab) they dosed athletes at .067mg/KG ED (that is a whopping 0.2IU/kg, by my math) and saw about a 5.7% increase in LBM in one month.

Know any 265 pound BBs taking 24IU ED? That's a rate of about 15 times what the literature generally cites. I am guessing that you'd probably not want that much for 6 months, even if your name is Rockefeller. This, to me, does raise the notion of "HGH" cycles, though, and perhaps one day we could see folks taking 20-30IU Ed for 4-6 weeks, then "cruising" at 2-6IU ED/EOD in between.

Literature or no, I'll let someone else try it first.....

[Random]

If your broke and you want to gain muscle,think of home-brew,not HGH!!!!

Good call it would be home brew for sure for IGF....