Hgh Heart Attack!!!!!!!!!!!!!ahhhhhhhhh

[Hellmaskbanned]

Now that I got your attention PLZ read & tell me what you think.


Originally Posted by dr. livingstone

Doctor David Speer thinks the water retention from HGH is caused by an increased release of ADH:

"The water retension from HGH is due to increased secretion of ADH (anti- diuretic hormone) from the posterior pituitary.
This hormonal relationship is not in any medical literature. However, it must be true, because the water retension and hypertension are easily controlled by .2mg of clonidine q 12 hours (personal experience). Clonidine's primary action is retarding ADH secretion."

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...n/message/7259

"Growth hormone, however, causes A.D.H. (Anti-Diuretic Hormone) to go up. ADH is a very potent coronary constrictor which also constricts veins. It is produced starting in the hypothalamus. The nerve endings of certain neurons in the hypothalamus reach into the posterior pituitary, and ADH and oxicitocin come from the posterior pituitary. ADH can go up to 20 times normal levels with fear, or anger, and stress. This can cause coronary constriction within minutes, and this can cause a massive heart attack.
Growth hormone makes ADH go up, and as a direct effect of this, water retention goes up, which causes higher blood pressure. ADH is dose dependent of GH, which is why you have to drop the dose if blood pressure goes up too high, until your circulatory system adjusts to handle it. This is the only bad side effect of an otherwise very good dose of growth hormone.
"Clonidine" is the safest high blood pressure medicine. It causes no side effects, and no impotency of any kind. It is indicated if you have high blood pressure due to ADH."







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Found this article after doing a search. No one responded to female member abcde on this article. She was the one who posted it originally.


Now , this got me thinking....How serious is this?

"ADH can go up to 20 times normal levels with fear, or anger, and stress. This can cause coronary constriction within minutes, and this can cause a massive heart attack."

Hell I get really worked up on my own, through lifting/competition/or just my crazyness. So does this mean If I get really worked up while on HGH I'm at a high risk of having a heart attack?

Shed some light on the ol subjecta!

[Ufa]

My personal experience while doing cardio shortly after sub-q injection
of GH is that my pulse stays very low (like about 110) while on treadmill
for over half hour. Plood pressure stays very low. There are so many
studies that are not worth reading unless you have a current one with
a athletic profile. very rare. Thaks for the input. Just take not of your
personal experiences and you will learn more than (studies).

[Da_Mayor]

interesting post. I'll have to do more research on the subject. But recently i had a check up at my doctors office and he said I had a very high BP. I'm 24 and been running GH for 3 1/2 months. However, I think the increase in blood pressure was due to nitrates. I used to always take superpump 250 before my workout and that will increase your blood pressure. I stopped and my BP went down but not drastically so maybe the ADH increase could have something to do with the increase in BP.

[Hellmaskbanned]

My personal experience while doing cardio shortly after sub-q injection
of GH is that my pulse stays very low (like about 110) while on treadmill
for over half hour. Plood pressure stays very low. There are so many
studies that are not worth reading unless you have a current one with
a athletic profile. very rare. Thaks for the input. Just take not of your
personal experiences and you will learn more than (studies).

Thats good to hear & good point. BUT I don't want my HGH experience to involve a Heart attack!

[Hellmaskbanned]

interesting post. I'll have to do more research on the subject. But recently i had a check up at my doctors office and he said I had a very high BP. I'm 24 and been running GH for 3 1/2 months. However, I think the increase in blood pressure was due to nitrates. I used to always take superpump 250 before my workout and that will increase your blood pressure. I stopped and my BP went down but not drastically so maybe the ADH increase could have something to do with the increase in BP.

How many IU's you running?

I'm 21 & I'm thinking about running my HGH cycle starting out at 2 & ramping up to 6 IU's. <--- might change still thinking about is it worth the sides/does it heal etc.

What gains have you experienced,

Fat loss wise=
Weight gain=
strength increase=
endurance increase=
+ any nagging injurys healed?

[Ufa]

You can actually prevent heart attack's by using GH. It's not going to
hurt your heart. Are you going to use (massive dosage) enough to cause
insulin shock. You know they give aids patients 18 iu's at a time.

Don't know who put it into your head that GH will lead to heart problems.

I have 4 stents in my heart and get a stress test yearly. I am honest
with my cardio Doc. I am very familiar with the heart and GH. Feel
free to PM me if you want. Best of Luck!

[Hellmaskbanned]

You can actually prevent heart attack's by using GH. It's not going to
hurt your heart. Are you going to use (massive dosage) enough to cause
insulin shock. You know they give aids patients 18 iu's at a time.

Don't know who put it into your head that GH will lead to heart problems.

I have 4 stents in my heart and get a stress test yearly. I am honest
with my cardio Doc. I am very familiar with the heart and GH. Feel
free to PM me if you want. Best of Luck!

Nice info Ufa.

I never knew about heart trouble with HGH. I just saw that thread and thought wow! Maybe this is something to discuss about. Yeah I'm guessing its hyped alittle to much in that article. Kids , aids patients , rich ppl , they all take it! If it was going to give them heart attacks they wouldnt be on right?

[fred9]

check my previous post:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...&highlight=adh


"The antinatriuretic action of biosynthetic human growth hormone in man involves activation of the renin-angiotensin system.
Garvan Institute of Medical Research, St. Vincents Hospital, Darlinghurst, Sydney, Australia.

Previous studies using human pituitary extracts have not resolved whether the sodium retaining effects of human growth hormone (hGH) are mediated in part by increased aldosterone secretion. We have studied the effects of an authentic biosynthetic GH (bio-hGH) preparation on sodium metabolism and on the activity of the renin-angiotensin system. Six young men were administered this preparation at 0.2 U/kg/d subcutaneously for five consecutive days. Twenty-four-hour urine collections were obtained for measurement of sodium excretion and osmolality and blood collected for quantitating changes in sodium, osmolality, plasma renin activity (PRA), aldosterone, and arginine vasopressin (AVP) concentrations. Bio-hGH administration resulted in a fall in 24-hour urinary sodium excretion (197 +/- 38 to 42 +/- 20 mmol, mean +/- SD, P less than .005), a reduction in urine volume (1,652 +/- 182 to 848 +/- 348 mL, P less than .05) but not osmolality. PRA increased significantly from 1,118 +/- 73 to 3,608 +/- 1,841 fmol angiotensin 1 L/s (P less than .005), which was associated with a sevenfold increase in plasma aldosterone concentration (52 +/- 12 to 402 +/- 99 pg/mL, P less than .001). Plasma osmolality and AVP concentrations did not change significantly. The results show that Bio-GH-induced retention of sodium involves the activation of the renin-angiotensin system. This mechanism may explain in part the occurrence of plasma volume expansion and hypertension in acr*****ly and suggests a risk of fluid retention and possibly hypertension in subjects receiving supraphysiological doses of bio-hGH for treatment of short stature.
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[juicehoe]

your 21 and only going to use 2iu? That would seem pointless to me. Since your younger you would need a higher dose to notice it

How many IU's you running?

I'm 21 & I'm thinking about running my HGH cycle starting out at 2 & ramping up to 6 IU's. <--- might change still thinking about is it worth the sides/does it heal etc.

What gains have you experienced,

Fat loss wise=
Weight gain=
strength increase=
endurance increase=
+ any nagging injurys healed?

[Hellmaskbanned]

your 21 and only going to use 2iu? That would seem pointless to me. Since your younger you would need a higher dose to notice it

Im going up to 6IU's. & muscle gain is not my reason of using.

[MMA]

thanks for the input, but i think there are contradictory studies, so the jury is still out. and i thought clonidine was a miserable drug to be on. made me stupid and lethargic. a little high too, but i don't need to get high, i need to get to the gym!

[Forkin Luzr]

Been on HGH for well over a year. Take 2 I.U.'s/ day with a couple days a week vacation upon depletion of the vial. My wife takes 1 .I.U. a day. We are both 48.

She has always had low blood pressure, I have always had high. HGH did not really change this "dramatically". It was a bit more noticeable to me, because I was very Borderline (always have been....140/90) and a 10% increase is significant. I also retain a lot of water with the HGH and initially, my pulse would race during exercise (I'm a cardio nut, and it went from a 150 bpm for 90 minutes to a 165 bpm without really working that hard.) She has a disability which limits her activity, but is one of the most thoroughly tested women you'll ever meet (She's had more blood panels in the last 4 years than I'll have in 2 lifetimes). The HGH does not effect her BP or thyroid to any measurable level.

I do 2 things. First, take a diuretic every day just like if you had High Blood pressure alone. Recent clinicals have shown they're every bit as effective as ACE inhibitors or Calcium channel blockers in controlling High Blood Pressure, much less expensive, and safer. i take a pottasium sparing brand called Moduretic, also know as Biduret, widely available online through International pharmacies (The over the counter stuff didn't cut it for me). Also, and I reccommend this to anyone, 2 or 3 Ecotrin a day to thin the blood. Well known that aspirin reduces the risk of stroke and heart attack.

I will not stop taking HGH. As a lifestyle supplement at almost 50 years old, it's benefits have been well recieved. However, I would not take it without a diuretic and daily aspirin.

Bottom Line: HGH does not cause Heart Attacks in and of itself, but High Blood pressure and dense platelets can be a bad combo. A diuretic and daily aspirin is a consertaive insurance policy when taking HGH.

Hope this helps.

[cj1capp]

good questions but your link didnt work for me.

[vermin]

Four months on HGH, the last month at 8iu/day, and no BP issues. I was already on BP medicine, though, so perhaps that is sufficient to prevent any increase.