Peptides - The Next Frontier in Hypertrophy

[steroid-peptides]

This article was written by Anthony Roberts. It is a very good guide to understanding peptides.

Release date: 21/08/2006

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...s/peptides.htm

Steroid -Peptides
http://www.steroid-peptides.com

[Triposinator]

Lot's of theory.

More reference to a SINGLE study of rodents

No measured results in a bodybuilding context.

[Property of Steroid.com]

Lot's of theory.

More reference to a SINGLE study of rodents

No measured results in a bodybuilding context.

You need to understand that MGF is a new drug, and IGF is relatively new too...they aren't going to be doing any studies in bodybuilders any time soon...or ever.

Most of the real-world information I have on the compounds comes from self-use, or input from manufacturers as well as members of several very large discussion boards (I currently write for about 4-5 boards, and members on all of them give me input constantly).

So my effort here was to combine studies with user feedback, and produce something to further people's understanding of these two peptides. I think I succeeded). Judging from the fact that the article was released yesterday, and has already appeared on a dozen different boards, I would hazard a guess that most people who have read it think I succeeded as well.

[Triposinator]

Don't use "hits" as a measure of the meaningfulness of your work sir.

By that measure, any number internet hoaxes would be catogorized as scientifically significant.

You need to understand that MGF is a new drug, and IGF is relatively new too...they aren't going to be doing any studies in bodybuilders any time soon...or ever.

Most of the real-world information I have on the compounds comes from self-use, or input from manufacturers as well as members of several very large discussion boards (I currently write for about 4-5 boards, and members on all of them give me input constantly).

So my effort here was to combine studies with user feedback, and produce something to further people's understanding of these two peptides. I think I succeeded). Judging from the fact that the article was released yesterday, and has already appeared on a dozen different boards, I would hazard a guess that most people who have read it think I succeeded as well.

[Property of Steroid.com]

I recognize your criticisms of this particular piece of work, and understand your suggestions to improve future pieces. But as I said, there is no way that I can see to incorporate your suggestions in a realistic sense. I would love for scientists to do studies on bodybuilders and athletes, but it's not going to happen. So until then, my endeavor is to use scientific studies wherever I can find them, and see if those studies correlate with real-world feedback and knowledge....and then produce an article synthesizing the two.

[sofus99]

This is just like television, commercial breaks every 15 minutes...

[Triposinator]

In reality, perhaps you're just my whipping boy for a general frustration I have. And I may be unique. But I've seen this with virtually all of the peptides.

NOBODY is willing to invest the time to put together even a 5 person study of real/actual results in a bb context. So what we get is a theoretical discusssion of why it "should " work and then a bunch of random often contradictory "noise" on actual results. Everything from 12 pounds of LBM gain in 3 weeks using IGF, to no results using IGF. MGF is setting up to have the same cycle:

- MGF is great
- 1 million dosing and mixing questions
- I didn't get sh!t from it
- You didn't use it right
- MGF is great
- MGF sucks
- Your source sucks
- Your protocol is wrong

Very little is actually accomplished during these gyrations - Why the absence of facts. Given that a cycle of this stuff is so short. I see no reason why a study of actual results could not have been undertaken.

I'm not buying your position that you couldn't have done this. I will buy your arguement that there was no ROI in it for you, if that is the case.

I recognize your criticisms of this particular piece of work, and understand your suggestions to improve future pieces. But as I said, there is no way that I can see to incorporate your suggestions in a realistic sense. I would love for scientists to do studies on bodybuilders and athletes, but it's not going to happen. So until then, my endeavor is to use scientific studies wherever I can find them, and see if those studies correlate with real-world feedback and knowledge....and then produce an article synthesizing the two.

[Carlito B]

In reality, perhaps you're just my whipping boy for a general frustration I have. And I may be unique. But I've seen this with virtually all of the peptides.

NOBODY is willing to invest the time to put together even a 5 person study of real/actual results in a bb context. So what we get is a theoretical discusssion of why it "should " work and then a bunch of random often contradictory "noise" on actual results. Everything from 12 pounds of LBM gain in 3 weeks using IGF, to no results using IGF. MGF is setting up to have the same cycle:

- MGF is great
- 1 million dosing and mixing questions
- I didn't get sh!t from it
- You didn't use it right
- MGF is great
- MGF sucks
- Your source sucks
- Your protocol is wrong

Very little is actually accomplished during these gyrations - Why the absence of facts. Given that a cycle of this stuff is so short. I see no reason why a study of actual results could not have been undertaken.

I'm not buying your position that you couldn't have done this. I will buy your arguement that there was no ROI in it for you, if that is the case.

You sound very ignorant. Someone just posted great feedback on the same MGF steroid -peptides.com sell but out of respect for them I will not show the link or tell you where it is but I will ask that particular person and others to please come over to this board and psot their feedback on this MGF.

This is what he said: your MGF kicks ass bro! i'm loving this stuff and its only day 5.


I do not have to prove anything else cause I know steroid-peptides.com's MGF works and is legit!

C

[Property of Steroid.com]

I see no reason why a study of actual results could not have been undertaken.

I'm not buying your position that you couldn't have done this. I will buy your arguement that there was no ROI in it for you, if that is the case.

Are you actually suggesting that I conduct my own 5-person study? Are you kidding?

With regards to your critique of my work, I suggest that you write an article refuting/rebutting my work and submit it to the site where the article first appeared. I'm sure if your article contains adequate and sound rebuttals of my work, the site owner will publish it, and then publish my answers to those criticisms. However, engaging in discourse like this, on an internet forum, without having a clearly defined position (of equal length to my article) provided by yourself, elucidating your exact critique, I find no real reason to continue.

Feel free to produce an article which opposes the position I have taken in this piece, and when it's published, I will respond to it.

As I said, however, engaging in discourse like this, with every internet detractor I have, is not really beneficial to anyone, from the average member of this forum to the community as a whole. If you were to produce an article which was published, with commeasurate references, and a clearly outlined argument, then I will happily respond.

[shortie]

Anthony, In your article you call for using MGF immediately post work out and IGF1 1hr later. If one was not using MGF, only IGF1 would the appropriate timing for the IGF1 inject be immediately post workout?


Also, I recently read an thread on IGF stating that the highest concentrations of IGF receptors in the body were in the intestines. The author state that it was unwise to use high levels of IGF as this would send some beyond the scope of the inject area and release the IGF which would cause intestinal growth. Is this true, and if so how much is considered a safe dose without this "turtle gut" side effect?

[Property of Steroid.com]

Anthony, In your article you call for using MGF immediately post work out and IGF1 1hr later. If one was not using MGF, only IGF1 would the appropriate timing for the IGF1 inject be immediately post workout?

Yes.

Also, I recently read an thread on IGF stating that the highest concentrations of IGF receptors in the body were in the intestines. The author state that it was unwise to use high levels of IGF as this would send some beyond the scope of the inject area and release the IGF which would cause intestinal growth. Is this true, and if so how much is considered a safe dose without this "turtle gut" side effect?

I have no idea...I know that most people who are using sane doses of IGF aren't getting the "growth-gut" effect....I know people who have used up to 200mcg/day of IGF + MGF and not had that happen to them.

[FranKieC]

Nice article..

I see Trips point with BB studies bu unfortunatly we have to go off of the info and stats that are available.

[guest589745]

Good post anthony.

[Phreak101]

You sound very ignorant. Someone just posted great feedback on the same MGF steroid -peptides.com sell but out of respect for them I will not show the link or tell you where it is but I will ask that particular person and others to please come over to this board and psot their feedback on this MGF.

This is what he said: your MGF kicks ass bro! i'm loving this stuff and its only day 5.


I do not have to prove anything else cause I know steroid-peptides.com's MGF works and is legit!

C

If this is the case, where is Johnny B's post questioning the PEG vs non-PEG content of your IGF? Or mine for that matter?

[Carlito B]

If this is the case, where is Johnny B's post questioning the PEG vs non-PEG content of your IGF? Or mine for that matter?

Can't you see Johnny B is friends with the sellers of the PEG MGF and that they obviously sent him and/or asked him to trash steroid -peptides.com simply because that is what they do...they do it every where they can on AB, SSB etc....

The same thing is happening now has happened on other boards where other companies are/were selling the regular MGF, see this started when he found out someone was about to sell MGF and then suddenly this compnay is selling it for half the price they do, of course this pissed them off so ever since then war was declared on anyone who sold MGF of course by saying we do not know what we are talking about blah blah...then he started posting that MGF does not work but only his version which BTW is a failure according to the feedback---so we asked him if he was going to refund those who bought his so called "bad" MGF and he never did...very contradiciting if you asked me- double standard, right? so first they sell 1mg of MGF for $100 each and then they said it was never good and it was worthless..but they still sold it....hmmmmmm

Is clear you my friend JB are friends with eddy formerly known as you know who..( won;t say it to avoid any controversy ) ..and just like he wants me and anthony roberst to stay out of his threads because God forbid we even post on their forums our posts will be deleted ( they just deleted some posts on AB a few days ago and we don't complain because it is his forum so...) steroid-peptides.com want them out of his threads and that means anyone assocciated with them!

I will post all threads and posts as I got access to all deleted posts on that same board this whole mess started ..as a matter of fact I am going to do it right now just in case some of their friends keeps me from doing so....

I mean as soon as someone started selling MGF they started the attacks and not just them directly but by his "boys" as well.

Same pattern, same poor attitude and sore loser mentality as ti reflects they way they operate and their products are..that is sad if you ask me.

Peace,

C

[MMA]

Lot's of theory.

More reference to a SINGLE study of rodents

No measured results in a bodybuilding context.

i know this is not an ideal situation, but u have to respect A. roberts expert opinion. who knows more about a compound - a scientist with a THEORY, who may or may get an animal study within the next few years, but has never gotten feedback from any human. or a guy who is getting constant feedback from a fair sized group (the group may not be selected/handled like a real peer reviewed study, but they tend to keep pretty good records. and they're exactly the demographic we're concerned with - hard training athletes).

i'll bet on real world experience every day.

[Property of Steroid.com]

I tried unsuccessfully to contact the scientist who has done the most research on MGF. The e-mail address attached to his articles is not functioning...

[Triposinator]

Actually whether I respect A. Roberts opinion is up to me, and it's entirely based upon the facts that support his opinion. He just doesn't have enough facts right now for his opinion to mean anything at all to me.

i know this is not an ideal situation, but u have to respect A. roberts expert opinion. who knows more about a compound - a scientist with a THEORY, who may or may get an animal study within the next few years, but has never gotten feedback from any human. or a guy who is getting constant feedback from a fair sized group (the group may not be selected/handled like a real peer reviewed study, but they tend to keep pretty good records. and they're exactly the demographic we're concerned with - hard training athletes).

i'll bet on real world experience every day.

[NotSmall]

You sound very ignorant. Someone just posted great feedback on the same MGF steroid -peptides.com sell but out of respect for them I will not show the link or tell you where it is but I will ask that particular person and others to please come over to this board and psot their feedback on this MGF.

This is what he said: your MGF kicks ass bro! i'm loving this stuff and its only day 5.

I do not have to prove anything else cause I know steroid-peptides.com's MGF works and is legit!

C

See Trip? - Conclusive proof!

[pscarb]

You sound very ignorant. Someone just posted great feedback on the same MGF steroid -peptides.com sell but out of respect for them I will not show the link or tell you where it is but I will ask that particular person and others to please come over to this board and psot their feedback on this MGF.

This is what he said: your MGF kicks ass bro! i'm loving this stuff and its only day 5.


I do not have to prove anything else cause I know steroid-peptides.com's MGF works and is legit!

C

Carlito - why is Trip ignorant ?? is it because he has an opinion that does not agree with yours??
actually you do need to prove the MGF steroid.com sell works or do we just take your word for it because your a stand up guy.....
I have to agree with Notsmall this post of yours above actually backs up what Trip is saying about some guy in a gym saying it rocks, if some other guy buys the same stuff and says he got nothing from it would you be saying he stored it wrong or used the wrong protocol??

this type of thread frustrates me, one guy goes against the grain concerning a product a sponsor sells (although not slagging the sponsor off) and the guy gets jumped on i thought this was a discussion board ?? which means everything that is posted is open for discussion if Anthony did not want to hear other peoples views on his article then he should not of posted it (no offence intended Anthony) Trip has some valid points and should be discussed openly...

[NotSmall]

Carlito - why is Trip ignorant ?? is it because he has an opinion that does not agree with yours??
actually you do need to prove the MGF steroid .com sell works or do we just take your word for it because your a stand up guy.....
I have to agree with toosmall this post of yours above actually backs up what Trip is saying about some guy in a gym saying it rocks, if some other guy buys the same stuff and says he got nothing from it would you be saying he stored it wrong or used the wrong protocol??

this type of thread frustrates me, one guy goes against the grain concerning a product a sponsor sells (although not slagging the sponsor off) and the guy gets jumped on i thought this was a discussion board ?? which means everything that is posted is open for discussion if Anthony did not want to hear other peoples views on his article then he should not of posted it (no offence intended Anthony) Trip has some valid points and should be discussed openly...

Well said apart from one little thing.....




It's NotSmall dammit NotSmall!

[Triposinator]

You're still the dude with the bitchin avatar

Well said apart from one little thing.....




It's NotSmall dammit NotSmall!

[pscarb]

Sorry Dude all changed now....

[NotSmall]

Sorry Dude all changed now....

lol, it's all good, there is a "toosmall" on the other board I've seen you on, no relation!