Lion vs S-P

**Phreak101** · 10-03-2006, 10:18 AM

Close this thread if it means me getting banend for asking, but I have been told by someone I trust, as they would have no reason for telling me otherwise, that Lion has claimed that S-P's IGF-1 did not test as IGF, and real IGF needs to be shipped on ice. S-P does not ship their IGF on ice, and that confuses me.

I'm not trying to start a war, I'd just like some clarification before I finalize my order with S-P.

**Gear** · 10-03-2006, 10:31 AM

LOL, this is going to be a ammusing thread.

Mate I don't know anything about that. I haven't heard anything about Lions or SPs products at all.

-Gear

**Phreak101** · 10-03-2006, 10:39 AM

Yeah this is going to be somethin...sponsor vs sponsor.

Where is a bro to turn for solid advice when two parties are telling me two different things??

***perfectbeast2001*** · 10-03-2006, 10:40 AM

me either but it's got my interest!

**steroid-peptides** · 10-03-2006, 10:57 AM

The owner of the site knows us and knows our reputation well, and would not allow someone to advertise if they were scamming.

In addition, feel free to question him *system_admin* or anyone who has made a purchase from us about the legitimacy of our products. I believe one of the admins here (*Admin*) knows of our products, and knows people who have used them, and has never once heard a complaint on them from a customer. (Competitors, perhaps, but never customers.)

Please, by all means, verify the quality of our products with any customer of ours. I think the quality of our products will speak more for us more than I can possibly hope to.

**Phreak101** · 10-03-2006, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by steroid-peptides

The owner of the site knows us and knows our reputation well, and would not allow someone to advertise if they were scamming.

In addition, feel free to question him *system_admin* or anyone who has made a purchase from us about the legitimacy of our products. I believe one of the admins here (*Admin*) knows of our products, and knows people who have used them, and has never once heard a complaint on them from a customer. (Competitors, perhaps, but never customers.)

Please, by all means, verify the quality of our products with any customer of ours. I think the quality of our products will speak more for us more than I can possibly hope to.

I've heard the "Admin" say the very same thing about Lion Nutrition. In fact this board lost a LOT of good bros over the very stance that "System_Admin" kept about Lion Nutrition. So, with that logic, I'm wondering why a sponsor of this board who the owner himself has stood by is saying that S-P's IGF is garbage...

Any ideas?

**PROTEINSHAKE** · 10-03-2006, 12:00 PM

is there any truth that igf needs to be shipped on ice?

I guess its all about trust on this one. Obviously both sponsors are here to make money. I do agree that its difficult to ALWAYS believe that when admin or any of the "higher-ups" back a product it isnt in their best interest as well. being board members we are kinda in the dark about all the inner workings of the board & the financials behind it all. I am curious to know about all these questions as well. I have used loins products & have been very happy. havent used S-P products yet as i was waiting for more feedback from members & their results. Not trying to stir any pot here, I feel that we as members should know 100% that the products the are advertised here are totally legit, despite having more than one sponsor. competition is always good for business..

**steroid-peptides** · 10-03-2006, 12:13 PM

Here is the Stability Data for LongTMR3IGF-I (Liquid Formulations), as provided by the manufacturer. You'll kindly note that there is no change in biological activity, when stored as a liquid for an entire year, even at the very hot (tropical) temperature of 37C. If by some chance, you live on a planet closer to the sun, and it takes a year for the spaceship to get there, then perhaps there would be a problem.

The stability of a liquid solution of LongTMR3IGF-I was monitored for a period of two years at storage conditions of -20 C, +4 C, +22 C, and +37 C. The final concentration of LongTMR3IGF-I was in acetic acid. At various time points, samples were taken and compared to a lyophilized control (stored at 4 C). Listed below are the stability results for each respective storage condition.

Storage Condition: -20 C

Biological Potency No Change up to 2 years
Immunological Activity No Change up to 2 years
Mobility of Protein No Change up to 2 years
Elution Profile by reversed phased HPLC No Change up to 2 years

Storage Condition: +4 C

Biological Potency No Change up to 2 years
Immunological Activity No Change up to 2 years
Mobility of Protein No Change up to 2 years
Elution Profile by reversed phased HPLC No Change up to 2 years

Storage Condition: +22 C

Biological Potency No Change up to 2 years
Immunological Activity No Change up to 2 years
Mobility of Protein No Change up to 2 years
Elution Profile by reversed phased HPLC No Change up to 2 years

Storage Condition: +37 C

Biological Potency No Change up to 1 year
Immunological Activity No Change up to 1 year
Mobility of Protein No Change up to 1 year
Elution Profile by reversed phased HPLC No Change up to 1 year

Conclusions

o There is no significant difference in the potency of LongTMR3IGF-I associated with the storage of the liquid formulation when stored at this range of temperatures.
o There is no evidence for loss of biological activity at any of the tested temperatures when stored as a liquid product.

**Brie** · 10-03-2006, 12:18 PM

bull shit!

**Brie** · 10-03-2006, 12:20 PM

i will no longer post in this form until sp is gone! feal free to deleat this i know you will sp

**Phreak101** · 10-03-2006, 12:27 PM

Ok, S-P, looks good, then, again, why is the other sponsor of this board hatin' on your products?

p.s. Brie you are fine, don't delete her posts, I wanna look at her avi...

***Doc.Sust*** · 10-03-2006, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Brie

i will no longer post in this form until sp is gone! feal free to deleat this i know you will sp

**sheltonn** · 10-03-2006, 12:46 PM

Dirty water.

I have purchased from both. I prefer Lions because the shipping cost is less and they have shipped faster to me.

However, I have purchased the S-P IGF-1 LR3 on multiple times. I get all of the side effects and that is with pre-workout injections. Read studies all you want, real world results are what my lab rat lives (and grows) by.

**Phreak101** · 10-03-2006, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by sheltonn

Dirty water.

I have purchased from both. I prefer Lions because the shipping cost is less and they have shipped faster to me.

However, I have purchased the S-P IGF-1 LR3 on multiple times. I get all of the side effects and that is with pre-workout injections. Read studies all you want, real world results are what my lab rat lives (and grows) by.

I appreciate the input, but you don't even have enough posts for a Source Check let alone someone who is gonna resolve this issue...

**taiboxa** · 10-03-2006, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Brie

i will no longer post in this form until sp is gone! feal free to deleat this i know you will sp

aye she a fiesty one aint she ><

**FranKieC** · 10-03-2006, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

aye she a fiesty one aint she ><

**sheltonn** · 10-03-2006, 01:13 PM

You think there is going to be a resolution? When it comes to owners and sponsors, we are all out of the loop.

Originally Posted by Phreak101

I appreciate the input, but you don't even have enough posts for a Source Check let alone someone who is gonna resolve this issue...

**FranKieC** · 10-03-2006, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by sheltonn

You think there is going to be a resolution? When it comes to owners and sponsors, we are all out of the loop.

True that!

He didn't mean any harm brotha..He just meant there have been instances when friends of sponsers would sign up and try to pimp products

**AnabolicAndre** · 10-03-2006, 01:15 PM

Im not gonna lie I wouldnt trust either one.

**Phreak101** · 10-03-2006, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by FranKieC

True that!

He didn't mean any harm brotha..He just meant there have been instances when friends of sponsers would sign up and try to pimp products

Exactly. No offense man, Frankie summed it up quite nicely. I am really looking for a response from both sponsors. Since there really is no "outside" source in this, it should be fairly easy to find out what's rotten here since everyone involved has a vested interest...

**taiboxa** · 10-03-2006, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Phreak101

Exactly. No offense man, Frankie summed it up quite nicely. I am really looking for a response from both sponsors. Since there really is no "outside" source in this, it should be fairly easy to find out what's rotten here since everyone involved has a vested interest...

YOUR a very OPTIMISTIC person aintchya..
dont u ever get tired of being disappointed?

**sheltonn** · 10-03-2006, 01:20 PM

No offense taken. I'm just glad to suck up your knowledge.

Originally Posted by Phreak101

Exactly. No offense man, Frankie summed it up quite nicely. I am really looking for a response from both sponsors. Since there really is no "outside" source in this, it should be fairly easy to find out what's rotten here since everyone involved has a vested interest...

**Phreak101** · 10-03-2006, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

YOUR a very OPTIMISTIC person aintchya..
dont u ever get tired of being disappointed?

I get more tired checking my threads and seeing BS posts that have nothing to do with the topic at hand....I don't know if my sarcasm was thick enough to puncture that fat ninja skull of yours, but I'll be OPTIMISTIC and hope it was...

**taiboxa** · 10-03-2006, 01:28 PM

LoL BS posts are about all ur going to get

**taiboxa** · 10-03-2006, 01:28 PM

LoL BS posts are about all ur going to get

**taiboxa** · 10-03-2006, 01:29 PM

oh hell yeah! a DOUBLE POST! SKORE!

**Phreak101** · 10-03-2006, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

LoL BS posts are about all ur going to get

Well I was hoping for more than BS when it comes to members spending upwards of $1000.

**Carlito B** · 10-03-2006, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Brie

i will no longer post in this form until sp is gone! feal free to deleat this i know you will sp

nobody cares whether you post or not especially with that attitude..you seem to always have something negative to say about S-P or myself, you do not even know shit about who we are..and I do not give two shits whether you are female or male, had enough with your stinky attitude missy!

C

**Carlito B** · 10-03-2006, 02:02 PM

Phreak101 ,

Why are you trying to start some shit, don't you have something better to do? some money to make or something?

You people are so bitter and that is why I no longer post here...I try to stay away from negative people like all of you!

I got more positive things to do like running my own business and making money.

You guys act like children and I feel sorry for you.

Good bye.

C

***Doc.Sust*** · 10-03-2006, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by AnabolicAndre

Im not gonna lie I would trust either one.

????

**AnabolicAndre** · 10-03-2006, 02:07 PM

whooops sorry doc I FIXED IT

***Doc.Sust*** · 10-03-2006, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Carlito B

I got more positive things to do like running my own business and making money.

C

enough already, all you talk about is running a bussiness and making money, well guess what, do you think you are the only one doing this on the board? do you think the way you come off about "making money " before all else in life comes across as a positive or a negative thing to the eyes of potential buyers in this forum?

**PROTEINSHAKE** · 10-03-2006, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Doc.Sust

enough already, all you talk about is running a bussiness and making money, well guess what, do you think you are the only one doing this on the board? do you think the way you come off about "making money " before all else in life comes across as a positive or a negative thing to the eyes of potential buyers in this forum?

agreed....that is why we are simply looking for answers...not to be whistleblowers or whatever. I think we are entitled to that... comments like that make us question your intentions & integrity. We WANT to buy your products...& i have bought MUCH from lion already in my 9months here. but like every other consumer,we need to be cautious also.

**Phreak101** · 10-03-2006, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Carlito B

Phreak101 ,

Why are you trying to start some shit, don't you have something better to do? some money to make or something?

You people are so bitter and that is why I no longer post here...I try to stay away from negative people like all of you!

I got more positive things to do like running my own business and making money.

You guys act like children and I feel sorry for you.

Good bye.

C

All I'm doing is trying to clarify some things. I don't think asking a few questions about some indiscrepencies is "starting shit". Besides, I was getting ready to spend the hard earned money I'm earning on your store, and another sponsor came out and convinced me not to.

So instead of furthering my indecisiveness of ordering from your company by being a jerkoff, call out the man who convinced me not to and convince me! That's what salespeople do, no?

I think we have a right to be negative considering you're asking us to spend an inordinate amount of money based solely on the "research" that you or your reps provide while deleting anything else that says otherwise, don't you?

p.s. That really didn't sound like Carlito. His grammar was off and he seemed real standoffish. Am I missing something?

**Carlito B** · 10-03-2006, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Doc.Sust

enough already, all you talk about is running a bussiness and making money, well guess what, do you think you are the only one doing this on the board? do you think the way you come off about "making money " before all else in life comes across as a positive or a negative thing to the eyes of potential buyers in this forum?

I am fed up with the unnecessary hostility some members displayed since the day S-P started here and I think is not fair, I even went out of my way and donated a couple of products to ease up things, not a even a ****ing thank you...why even bother right?

Yes maybe all I talk about is running a business because is true I do and I work from 6am to 11pm at night 7 days a week so since I am comsumed in my own work all i can talk about is that,...makes sense to you?

I run my own business and my own customers are the happiest and they would say nothing but positive things about me and my services, my customers are "exclusive" and not just anyone is "in" these are solid bros , no BS no kids but serious dedicated athletes and is all I can say about in that regard.

C

**Property of Steroid.com** · 10-03-2006, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Phreak101

Close this thread if it means me getting banend for asking, but I have been told by someone I trust, as they would have no reason for telling me otherwise, that Lion has claimed that S-P's IGF-1 did not test as IGF, and real IGF needs to be shipped on ice. S-P does not ship their IGF on ice, and that confuses me.

I'm not trying to start a war, I'd just like some clarification before I finalize my order with S-P.

That's easy enough to settle. Lion needs to post the lab tests. Seems simple enough to me.

I believe S-P answered the shipping question by posting the temperatures that IGF is stable up to. Again, that seems simple enough to me as well.

I suppose all we're waiting for is the lab test from Lion to come back, showing that Lion in fact has sent in an unopened bottle of S-P's IGF to be tested and that in fact, it was verified to not test as IGF. Then all he has to do is call the company that performed the test and waive the confidentiality for the tests, so anyone can call the company up and verify the claim.

I think that it's all pretty easily resolved, with regards to claims of a Lab Test and degredation temperatures, right? All we need is to see some proof that IGF will degrade at the temperatures Lion says it will, and then we need to see the Lab tests. Should be easy enough to resolve this pretty quickly.

**Phreak101** · 10-03-2006, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Carlito B

I am fed up with the unnecessary hostility some members displayed since the day S-P started here and I think is not fair, I even went out of my way and donated a couple of products to ease up things, not a even a ****ing thank you...why even bother right?

Yes maybe all I talk about is running a business because is true I do and I work from 6am to 11pm at night 7 days a week so since I am comsumed in my own work all i can talk about is that,...makes sense to you?

I run my own business and my own customers are the happiest and they would say nothing but positive things about me and my services, my customers are "exclusive" and not just anyone is "in" these are solid bros , no BS no kids but serious dedicated athletes and is all I can say about in that regard.

C

How can your customers be exclusive when you advertise publicly?

**Property of Steroid.com** · 10-03-2006, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Phreak101

How can your customers be exclusive when you advertise publicly?

Carlito is not S-P (nor am I). Carlito has his own peptide buisness, and it's closed to new customers, I believe. I'm the only one who doesn't make money off selling peptides

....I just make money off writing about them.

**Phreak101** · 10-03-2006, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts

That's easy enough to settle. Lion needs to post the lab tests. Seems simple enough to me.

I believe S-P answered the shipping question by posting the temperatures that IGF is stable up to. Again, that seems simple enough to me as well.

I suppose all we're waiting for is the lab test from Lion to come back, showing that Lion in fact has sent in an unopened bottle of S-P's IGF to be tested and that in fact, it was verified to not test as IGF. Then all he has to do is call the company that performed the test and waive the confidentiality for the tests, so anyone can call the company up and verify the claim.

I think that it's all pretty easily resolved, with regards to claims of a Lab Test and degredation temperatures, right? All we need is to see some proof that IGF will degrade at the temperatures Lion says it will, and then we need to see the Lab tests. Should be easy enough to resolve this pretty quickly.

YES! I agree! That's what I was looking for. This thread was never a dig at S-P, I was asking both of them, as board sponsors, to back up their claims. Now we have plenty of S-P bros present, all we need is Lion. I second AR's request.

**Carlito B** · 10-03-2006, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Phreak101

All I'm doing is trying to clarify some things. I don't think asking a few questions about some indiscrepencies is "starting shit". Besides, I was getting ready to spend the hard earned money I'm earning on your store, and another sponsor came out and convinced me not to.

So instead of furthering my indecisiveness of ordering from your company by being a jerkoff, call out the man who convinced me not to and convince me! That's what salespeople do, no?

I think we have a right to be negative considering you're asking us to spend an inordinate amount of money based solely on the "research" that you or your reps provide while deleting anything else that says otherwise, don't you?

p.s. That really didn't sound like Carlito. His grammar was off and he seemed real standoffish. Am I missing something?

hey bro..is not my store, stop thinking I am S-P because I am not..and he may even get mad at me for this but I am just speaking my mind here and this is how I feel.

I do not know who is the man that convinced you....

I will ask not to be a rep so you guys do not associate me ..i tried to help and you guys do not want to be open minded..i'll just remain at my homeboard where i get respect and there is no drama like this.

I don't delete anything..hell someone even deleted something I posted the other day ......

What do you mean "real Carlito"? Excuse me but do you know me?

C