IGF-1 ec (MGF – Mechano Growth Factor)

**Mach .78** · 10-31-2006, 07:05 AM

First of all, thank you LuvMuhRoids for reposting that article. I am understanding what you are laying down. I think that you will be hard pressed to find 2mg of MGF for the price of 1mg of PEG MGF. I am not asking for sources here, I'm just saying.

I am waiting for an explanation from Anthony Roberts as to why, quote "PEG MGF has only been claimed to be good by the people who produce it and the people on their payroll. It's total garbage, to be honest." unquote

I have read some of your posts, you are very busy and don't have time to post on boards etc... But I keep on running into posts from you on numerous boards condemning PEG MGF. Now I myself don't have that much time to browse all of these threads let alone post in them. My wife is getting upset at the time I spend on here now as it is.

You have said that you always give complete explanations and the straight truth from your posts that I've read so let's see some real information. I'm not going to go by, It's total garbage, to be honest."

If you can't come up with the info, just say so.

**Carlito B** · 10-31-2006, 06:36 PM

Guys,

MGF is MGF and is not garbage, PEGylated MGF is meant to last longer in the body is all.

In very few easy words:

2mgs of regular MGF ( naturally ocurring L form ) is the same as 2mgs of PEGylated MGF ( this is the D-Arg form and is not water soluble but becomes after PEGylated )

PEGylated MGF may be convenient for those who DO MIND pinning ED , me ...I love pinning, i do maybe 2 or 3 times daily

STILL! let's say if you use 500mcgs daily of regular MGF for 7 days (weekly) that will be 3.5mgs you will still need the same amount of the PEGylated MGF with the difference that you can get away with injecting2 or 3 times weekly..( divide 3.5mgs by 2 or 3 injections ) and still there may be a chance for the MGF to degrade due to innactivity ( because if it stays longer in the body there is no use unless you work out 24 hours a day )

Is all about what is more convenient for you really , PEG MGF is more expensive due to the PEGylation proccess.

Same with IGF-1 and IGF-1Lr3....with the first IGF-1 introduced one needed to inject once or twice daily but with the Lr3 you can get away with injecting EOD or every three days but at higher dosages of course.

Thanks,

C

**ss01** · 10-31-2006, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Carlito B

Guys,

MGF is MGF and is not garbage, PEGylated MGF is meant to last longer in the body is all.

In very few easy words:

2mgs of regular MGF ( naturally ocurring L form ) is the same as 2mgs of PEGylated MGF ( this is the D-Arg form and is not water soluble but becomes after PEGylated )

PEGylated MGF may be convenient for those who DO MIND pinning ED , me ...I love pinning, i do maybe 2 or 3 times daily

STILL! let's say if you use 500mcgs daily of regular MGF for 7 days (weekly) that will be 3.5mgs you will still need the same amount of the PEGylated MGF with the difference that you can get away with injecting2 or 3 times weekly..( divide 3.5mgs by 2 or 3 injections ) and still there may be a chance for the MGF to degrade due to innactivity ( because if it stays longer in the body there is no use unless you work out 24 hours a day )

Is all about what is more convenient for you really , PEG MGF is more expensive due to the PEGylation proccess.

Same with IGF-1 and IGF-1Lr3....with the first IGF-1 introduced one needed to inject once or twice daily but with the Lr3 you can get away with injecting EOD or every three days but at higher dosages of course.

Thanks,

C

Isn't that exactly like saying that hIGF-1 and Long R3 IGF-1 are equally potent?

**Mach .78** · 10-31-2006, 08:44 PM

Thank you Carlito for your knowledge and help. I am still waiting for Mr. Roberts explanation.

**ss01** · 10-31-2006, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by Mach .78

Thank you Carlito for your knowledge and help. I am still waiting for Mr. Roberts explanation.

Oh yes you're right, it will be interesting to get the science behind his take.

**MrKadugen** · 10-31-2006, 09:57 PM

BUMP!

Bump for a reply from Anthony Roberts!....

**needbigguns** · 11-01-2006, 12:38 PM

Good Post...
I have 2x 2mg's of MGF in 2 vials making 4mg's of MGF in total - i want to use on my arms... i am going to reconstituting it with Bacteriostatic Water, plan on injecting 200mcgs in each muscle every day (400mcgs in total) - Should i just run this every day for 10 days solid ? Or should i use the first 2mg via every day for 5 days (monday-friday) - then have 2 days off (saturday and sunday) then use up the other 2mg vial of MGF for the next 5 days consecutivley (mon-fri)

How much protein do i need daily ? and do i only need HUGE amounts of protein the days i am ON the MGF - for instance if i did it monday-friday i know i would need to eat massive amounts - but on the saturday and sunday break before starting the next via on the monday would i be OK to lower the protein a little ?

As previously stated I have 30ml's of Bacsteriostatic water and 4mgs of MGF split in to 2x 2mg bottles/vials... Question is how exactly do i reconstitute them - eg - how many ml's of Bac Water do i put in each via ?

And do i need to aspirate when injecting in Biceps and Triceps with MGF? Also where abouts should i inject in each - iv read before that the tricep it is at the top - on the horse shoe curve - but im not quite sure whats ment by the inner and outer heads of the bicep

- Thanks

**GreenNBroken** · 11-06-2006, 11:37 PM

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**GreenNBroken** · 11-07-2006, 12:23 AM

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**Mach .78** · 11-07-2006, 08:16 AM

GreenNBroken

Don't call yourself out as a complete idiot just yet. Many people have made the mistake of asking for sources, prior to reading the rules.
As you can see from my posts, I am still a student to the mechanisms of action from these peptides. I refer you to folks here who can write about these peptides from their direct experience, i.e. LuvMuhRoids, ss01, Carlito

Some of you probably already know what I am going to say next, mind readers

Green, Do you see that banner up there to the right, for the book on Anabolic Steroids ? I'm not sure whether or not it has anything in there about MGF or PEG MGF but all of my posts thus far have been directed to one of the authors of that book, who has stated in this thread,

PEG MGF has only been claimed to be good by the people who produce it and the people on their payroll. It's total garbage, to be honest.

His name is Mr. Anthony Roberts. I am still curious as to why he thinks PEG MGF is total garbage. He is after all, being honest.

You will find as you get familiar with this and other forums, that there are people who have had direct experience with compounds, diets, workout routines, etc...and can offer really good information because they are absolute fanatics, allot of their time away from the gym is spent researching and experimenting with different compounds, diets, workout routines, etc...
You know who you are.

The majority of people on the forums are just like you and I. We gather this information and use it. Sometimes we misuse it. Don't do this. How do you not misuse the information? Back it up with research studies, "Stickies" and compare what you've gathered with other gatherers. What I am trying to say is, Don't needlessly overstress your body for the sake of a good physique. Everything in moderation, comprende?

Then there are the lurkers, roaming, hiding in the shadows, learning quietly, utilizing what they've learned, walking away from the computer after their mission and getting bigger by the day.

And last but not least, there are the people who rise above the rest. They believe they have it all figured out and that their knowledge is like hidden pirate booty,even if sometimes it's fool's gold, Arrr! Unavailable to the poor souls who don't possess the treasure map. I say we board their vessel, make them walk the plank, and then keel hull their sorry scurvy arses!

Captain Mach
"The Arch Pirate"

**GreenNBroken** · 11-07-2006, 04:23 PM

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**Mach .78** · 11-07-2006, 09:56 PM

ss01 has legit info on many topics and is also one of those fanatics I was referring to.

He will steer you right.

**Mach .78** · 11-09-2006, 10:05 AM

Bump for my question Mr. Roberts.

**needbigguns** · 11-10-2006, 01:06 PM

Just injected 200mcgs in each bicep about 10-15 mins after workout... dont know why i did that, i know it should be 45 mins, i just wasnt thinking - will that be a waste ?

**rodge** · 11-10-2006, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by needbigguns

Just injected 200mcgs in each bicep about 10-15 mins after workout... dont know why i did that, i know it should be 45 mins, i just wasnt thinking - will that be a waste ?

its what i do also. i shoot everything right after i'm finished pwo, the mgf/lr3/slin/hgh. we will see what happens

-rodge

**Mach .78** · 11-10-2006, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by rodge

its what i do also. i shoot everything right after i'm finished pwo, the mgf/lr3/slin/hgh. we will see what happens

-rodge

Hey Rodge,

Is that you in your avatar? If so I think we've already seen what happens.

**ss01** · 11-13-2006, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Mach .78

Hey Rodge,

Is that you in your avatar? If so I think we've already seen what happens.

What, losing hair? J/T. Looking ripped, Rodge.

**Mach .78** · 11-13-2006, 04:28 PM

Could somebody please get Rodge some scotch tape already?

Hey, Has anyone recently chatted with Mr. Anthony Roberts? I just can't seem to get him to answer my question. It's a really easy question for someone who has knowledge of various compounds and peptides. Don't you think?

**ss01** · 11-14-2006, 10:43 PM

He is online at the moment...

**Mach .78** · 11-15-2006, 07:06 AM

He is also not going to answer my question. When someone can't back up a statement with a good answer or any answer for that matter, it leaves me to question one's credibility.

**ss01** · 11-15-2006, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Mach .78

He is also not going to answer my question. When someone can't back up a statement with a good answer or any answer for that matter, it leaves me to question one's credibility.

How could you? Doesn't having published works mean your word is gospel?

Well...

I guess not.

**Mach .78** · 01-07-2007, 08:31 AM

I just thought I would come over and bump thi$ thread for the New Year. Happy New Year everybody.

Quote:
PEG MGF ha$ only been claimed to be good by the people who produce it and the people on their payroll. It's total garbage, to be hone$t.

I am not affiliated with the manufacturer$ of PEG MGF. I am just curiou$ a$ to why it'$ garbage.

Ha$ your re$earch found thi$ to be true about PEG MGF or i$ there $ome other rea$on for your deduction?

$o nobody get$ confu$ed, thi$ que$tion i$ for Anthony Robert$

**ss01** · 01-07-2007, 11:26 AM

Anthony? Where are you when your scientific mind is so required? No one else is able to answer this question but you, please inform us!!!

I shall pray tonight for an answer.

**needbigguns** · 01-07-2007, 02:49 PM

I took 4mgs of MGF and used it in my Biceps before this cycle im on now of gear... it did make them bigger and really pumped for about 2 weeks after... but then i did find they started to go down a little... anyway i jumped on AAS and i have noticed that my arms have responded much better than anything else this cycle... Am i right in thinking it works the same as regular IGF (i know it is just another form of it) - and am i right in thinking that it has given me new cells hence the reason they have responded well now with steroids ?

**ss01** · 01-10-2007, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by needbigguns

I took 4mgs of MGF and used it in my Biceps before this cycle im on now of gear... it did make them bigger and really pumped for about 2 weeks after... but then i did find they started to go down a little... anyway i jumped on AAS and i have noticed that my arms have responded much better than anything else this cycle... Am i right in thinking it works the same as regular IGF (i know it is just another form of it) - and am i right in thinking that it has given me new cells hence the reason they have responded well now with steroids ?

Yes it does do something like that also. Not the same as IGF-1, rather something complementary. I recommend an IGF/pMGF stack between cycles next time.

**kobiack** · 01-10-2007, 08:22 PM

Bump

lots of good info. thanks

**ss01** · 01-13-2007, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by kobiack

Bump

lots of good info. thanks

Yeah if we could only get Mr. Roberts' scientific explanation why it is crap, it would really help steer us right though.

**ss01** · 02-08-2007, 12:39 PM

I found Mr Roberts' blog. A very interesting read. Highly recommended. It is giving me a whole new outlook on the man and his work.

http:/ /www.anthony roberts-blog.com [remove spaces]